Changes in Mormon doctrine

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TOmNossor:
If you are concerned, I have started responding with #5.
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=4383&page=1&pp=100

Concerning this thread, I do not think I will respond too much. I will leave you with two things.

*]LDS believe that God reveals to the church directions. This supernatural revelation does not need to conform to tradition as is the case with the limited papal authority. God does not change his mind, but once the gospel was for the Jews, then it was for Jews and Gentiles. Once the gospel of God involved sacrifice of animals, then it did not. Once God promised to make the Jews a kingdom of priests, but then he restricted the priesthood to the Levitical order.

Just some thoughts.

Charity, TOm
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The “changing” of doctrine from the OT to the NT was simply an unfolding or fulfillment of previous teaching. (Circumcision was replaced by baptism, etc.) Even the Catholic “development of doctrine” is a logical, slow, progression of understanding over a long period of time that simply CLARIFIES the existing held beliefs and practices of the church. You don’t find wholesale changes in doctrine in either case and the changes have nothing to do with current societal public opinion. On the contrary, the doctrines often seem to be in opposition to current social norms.(contraception for instance).
Since Joseph Smith died Mormon doctrine:
A. Has made radical, sudden changes
B. The changes correspoond exactly to social pressures and mores of the times.
If it acts like a duck, walks like a duck and quack likes a duck…it’s a duck! Mormon doctrine appears from every angle to be man made…it therefore is man made.
 
Archbishop 10-K:
Those are some good points. However, it must be noted that the Catholic Church has experienced this kind of change as well. Some of our Bibles use inclusive language. Women do not wear veils anymore. And, of course, change from Tridentine to Novus Ordo.

This is not to say, though, that I am not an orthodox Catholic.
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I think the changes that you are describing could best be compared as new paint and paper versus the wholesale reconstruction that has been described in the Mormon faith.
 
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TOmNossor:
God does not change his mind, but once the gospel was for the Jews, then it was for Jews and Gentiles. Once the gospel of God involved sacrifice of animals, then it did not. Once God promised to make the Jews a kingdom of priests, but then he restricted the priesthood to the Levitical order.
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I think you misunderstand Judaism.

The word of God was for all nations, however it was put upon the Jews to bring this word to all nations. And this was to be done without evangelization (which is prohibited in Judaism), not an easy task. Gentiles were always included in God’s plan under the Noahide Covenant in Judaism. However, because Jews had more responsibility, they were under a different and more strict covenant, the Abrahamic Covenent complete with it’s 613 laws. In Judaism, non-Jews have a seperate set of laws they must follow which are much less intricate. In Judaism, Chirstianity is seen as allowable to non-Jews as they worship the God of the OT (the Torah) and the Noahide covenant allows for this.

Judaism still does invovle animal sacrifice. However, in those laws that God gave the Jews, it was a requirement that all animal sacrifices were made at the temple. Since there is no temple, there is no animal sacrifices. If the temple was restored, animal sacrifices would be reinstituted. There was no change in law, it is still in place. FWIW, blood sacrifice was only for unintentional sin, it was not for sins knowlingly committed. There were different rules for sins committed like that.

I don’t quite follow your last statement.
 
Someone said that the “Mormon church is growing at an enormous rate”

(Sorry, still haven’t got the qouting business down right yet)

That is correct as far as it goes, but for all the growth of mormonism, they do not tell you how many go inactive or just leave (with out bishop’s excommunication trials, or asking for name removal) as soon as they find out all the wierd mormon doctrines not presented by the “elders” in thier lessons.

All of these people are counted by the mormons as members for life, regardless of when they last darkened the door of a mormon meeting house, and have since joined other churches.
 
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boppysbud:
All of these people are counted by the mormons as members for life, regardless of when they last darkened the door of a mormon meeting house, and have since joined other churches.
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I would fall into that last category. I have not believed in Mormonism for almost 20 years now and have become Catholic. But, I’m still considered a “Mormon” because I haven’t gone through the arduous process of removing my name from the membership rolls.
 
Interestingly enough my two oldest children are still on the LDS rolls as well. I can’t get them off because I am not their father and he can’t get them off because he doesn’t have custody and is in the wrong ward and has been disfellowshiped himself.

-D
 
Yes I suppose that I am still on their rolls as well, since I never asked for my name to be removed, (too much dissembling, resistance, and just plain BS for me to mess with it.

But I was never really a mormon believer, since they were very deceptive in thier missionary lessons and I never knew the truth about their weird anti-Christian doctrines until after my baptism.

**How do you turn off the UBB code?:confused: **
 
What is the UBB code?

As for LDS growth, an article in this month’s Ensign proclaimed that Mexico has now reached it’s 1 million member mark, and there are more Mormons in Central & South America than there are in the rest of the world combined (United States not included).
 
Hi all,

I am really comforted by this thread. A while ago, I had posted a thread looking for Tmague and other former mormons. I have some questions and am looking to see if anyone can relate to something that I experience from time to time. I am not sure if I should post here or where to go so that you guys will respond, because it is neat to have you all on this thread??!!??

Peace
 
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boppysbud:
All of these people are counted by the mormons as members for life, regardless of when they last darkened the door of a mormon meeting house, and have since joined other churches.
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Sounds much like the Catholic church. I doubt that anyone who was once baptized Catholic ever gets taken off the rolls of the church. That’s why the Catholic church can boast such a large number of members.
 
Amanda, I have read elsewhere on the net that in the neighborhood of %85 of the new mormon baptisees go inactive or leave the mormon church wihin months of their mormon baptisms.

Remember these are very poor countries, and a lot of these people are “rice mormons”, when the supplies of free beans, lard and flour run out, so do the mormons who go back to the Catholic or Evangelical churches from whence they came. :crying: Saddly the state of Mexican and South American Catholicism is sad due to a lack of priests and proper catechisis.
 
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boppysbud:
Amanda, I have read elsewhere on the net that in the neighborhood of %85 of the new mormon baptisees go inactive or leave the mormon church wihin months of their mormon baptisms.

Remember these are very poor countries, and a lot of these people are “rice mormons”, when the supplies of free beans, lard and flour run out, so do the mormons who go back to the Catholic or Evangelical churches from whence they came. :crying: Saddly the state of Mexican and South American Catholicism is sad due to a lack of priests and proper catechisis.
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They use necessities to bribe people to join? :eek:
 
Does anyone know if Blood Atonement is still a current teaching? I haven’t seen anything about it in my readings from their Library.
 
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AmandaPS:
Does anyone know if Blood Atonement is still a current teaching? I haven’t seen anything about it in my readings from their Library.
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Blood atonement is not an official teaching of the LDS church today. Although, there are many members (at least ones I’ve spoken to) that still believe that in order to be forgiven for murder your blood must be shed.
 
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Monicathree:
Hi all,

I am really comforted by this thread. A while ago, I had posted a thread looking for Tmague and other former mormons. I have some questions and am looking to see if anyone can relate to something that I experience from time to time. I am not sure if I should post here or where to go so that you guys will respond, because it is neat to have you all on this thread??!!??

Peace
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Monicathree. I suggest starting a new thread. Or, you can PM me if you like.
 
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Delgadoajj:
Tmaque wrote:…I predict this church (and others like it) won’t be around another 50 years, seriously.
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Jorge.

Gods peace be with you Theophilus,

Other have predicted the demise of the LDS religion before you and all have been wrong. If the LDS Church were a private company it would rank at about 250th in the Fortune 500. The President and apostles (LDS Church board members if you will) are some of the highest paid clergy in the world. The church has one of the biggest missionary programs (for its size) and an advertising blitz that is mind boggling and to be admired. 1 in 4 people that order the Book Of Mormon get baptized and join the church.

The LDS church is also one of the fastest growing churches in the US and now has more members overseas then in the US. I live in Utah and can drive from the Canadian boarder South to Las Vegas and see Ward after Ward after Ward. The church is growing like a wildfire.

See this link:

adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

Interesting note here, the Mormons are growing faster then the Baptists! Does this mean the Baptist will be gone in less then 50 years too?:rolleyes: Even before the Mormons?

I live surrounded by Mormons and their faith is strong and the church is healthy, vibrant and well organized. Financially it is a powerhouse of wealth. Our PBS channel is a tool of the church and educates their religion through public TV. Your tax dollars at work for the LDS church. It must be great to own a business that is tax free and supported by tax dollars too! The LDS are not alone like this either.

Never under estimate the LDS church. Did we under estimate on obscure, rude, self righteous, possibly mental monk with bizarre and new man-made theology in 1517? Did he just go away or did he take more then a few souls with him?

I see Mormon television shows often. If you think some protestants are Historical Revisionists then you’ve never seen a Mormon documentary on good ‘ole Joe. The LDS members get their history from the church and the church writes only what the church wants people to see and does not let the historical facts stand in their way of a good show. I talk to Mormons everyday at work and if you say something contrary to what they’re taught they will usually just change the topic or walk off and say something like I’m just a pawn to ‘Romanist’ lies.:banghead:
 
…why hasn’t “rod of iron” or charity TOm written any crazy talk yet??
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rod of iron and TOm,

I would like to apologize for these remarks. Please accept my heartfelt apologies and those of others here who I am sure would agree with me too. I love to have you and others from you faith on our forum. You opinions on your faith that you share with us help us to learn from each other.

:love: 1 Cor 13:3-8 “8 If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated, 5 it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, 6 it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.”:love:

St. Paul says what I feel better then I could ever hope to word it.

A prisoner of Christ
 
I am involved in an ongoing email debate with a really nice young Mormon. In discussing the great apostacy and the unbroken line of Popes we got onto the council of Nicea. She’s obviously been reading and has come out with this-
I believe that in Constantine’s good judgenment he brought together many priests so that they could unite the church. This means there was question as to what to believe. There already were many oppinions. And I just happen to believe that the conclusion they were forced to come to wasn’t the truth. If Constantine hadn’t brought forth the meeting there would probably have been many churches form because differing oppinion on the gospel already existed. I believe Satan will do whatever it takes to mask or distort truth, or feed mistruth.
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Any suggestions on how to help her understand?
 
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