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Wonderful news that there is a traditional Latin mass in your town! In my experience the reverence and focus on Our Lord is worlds apart from your typical parish. As for your question about missals, I’ve been very happy with this one: 1962 Roman Catholic Daily Missal - Angelus Press A little pricey, to be sure, but well worth it if you have found a parish you like. If that’s too dear, there is always this, which will at least guide you through most of the ritual: https://www.amazon.com/Latin-Englis...=gateway&sprefix=latin+missal+,aps,201&sr=8-3 Hope this helps.

And don’t worry about being a little lost at first - we’ve all been there! Most parishes will have someone friendly that can help guide you through… Can’t say how happy I am for you!
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
these are the instructions for saying Mass, approved by the Vatican. They can vary slightly from country to country,
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Yes the Vatican maintains the official Latin IGMR and the bishops adapt it for their respective countries. Last time I believe the Latin was changed was 2002.
 
Thank you for those links. I will definitely look into them. I know I will need one. I’m so new that I’m still getting used to Novus Ordo Masses and also watch some on YouTube during the week and follow along in my Missal. I’m getting the hang of it though.
 
CurtisHouse said:
When I do my first confession, I’ll probably need to make an appointment. I got baptized in a church of Christ back in 2004. There has been so many ups and downs since then and a lot I need to get off my chest asap.
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Actually, you’ll need to go through RCIA first…
 
Yeah. I’m aware of that. Even if I won’t be confirmed for another year or so, it will be worth the wait.
 
I would just like to offer you some encouragement by mentioning that you are far from alone in having these concerns. Many of us have them in some form and it effects newcomers as much as old timers. I’ve been in the church nearly forty years now as an adult convert and I’ve attended many parishes and few of those have been as “traditional” as I would have liked, and a small number have had points of serious concern in the liturgy. That said, my spiritual life has been founded on attendance at Mass, regardless of any concerns, and the other sacraments and I’ve found that small objections tend to be less bothersome over time.

One thing which has made all the difference to me in being more understanding of problems has been to volunteer myself. Once one works with the team (ministers, readers, gardeners, etc.) one gets to meet the many personalities which make up a parish and become more appreciative of everyone’s efforts, and also come to see that different people do sincerely hold their different opinions. As a most stiking example, one will find that some people really do prefer a less formal liturgy, modern music, etc., and they think the “traditionalists” are keeping people way. But we all keep turning up and contributing as best we can.

Also, I’ve taken to heart something one of the posters here said once in a “liturgy” thread - in this era of a priest shortages, parishes being combined, and services without priests, just be grateful to have a parish with a Sunday Mass. I’m not suggesting you are not grateful, but I think it is worth being reminded of our blessings.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I go to confession every 2 weeks for the last 2 years. There has been a line everyplace I go, and the most happy-clappy parishes near me, which are also very large with attached elementary schools, always have a line. If you don’t get there early on First Saturday especially you might not get to confess before the hour is up.

I’m not sure what causes confession to be more or less popular at some churches, though parish size probably is a factor, and ethnic makeup of the parish may also be a factor, but holding hands at Our Father, applauding after the Mass, and even kneeling to receive Communion doesn’t seem to influence it.
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This has also been my experience. In fact, the shortest line is usually the FSSP parish. Granted, this is because they have approximately 12 hours of confession every week and 2-3 priests, but it is the shortest line. Lines exist across the board. In my own minuscule commuter parish, sometimes father doesn’t have enough time to hear confessions in the allotted time and asks people to come back after Divine Liturgy. In the parish with the contemporary music and drum machine that has confessions on Thursday nights, the line sometimes twists around the entire church. At the parish down the street, which has confessions for 3 hours a week, sometimes you can’t get in before the priest has to go say Mass. Confession is alive and well in my part of the world.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
But, as someone else pointed out, these examples take place AFTER the Mass.
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I don’t think so. At least at the Churches I attended. It is close to the end of the Mass, and the priest has a few announcements to make. But it is not yet quite the end of the Mass, because the priest still has to give the last blessing which he does after making the announcements. As has been pointed out, the announcements oftentimes concern some joyful event such as a couple celebrating their 25th anniversary of marriage, or 50th anniversary of marriage, etc. And everyone breaks out in clapping and applause. I don’t see why this would not be counted as applause breaking out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, which in this case is a wedding anniversary of a couple that stayed together as a married couple. It seems almost obvious that this is what His Holiness, the Vicar of Christ was talking about when he said:
CurtisHouse said:
“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.Such attraction fades quickly – it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.” (Pope Benedict XVI)
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Is it OK for a Catholic to go along with religious entertainment and religious titillation as it seems that you are going against what the Pope was talking about. Is it OK to disobey the Pope on this and go ahead with the applause anyway, even if he has spoken against it?
 
I was at a Mass said by a diocesan bishop for a milestone anniversary of his diocese recently. It was a big Mass with lots of priests concelebrating, excellent choir with brass and organ accompaniment, Knights of Columbus procession, etc.

At announcement time after Holy Communion, the bishop had a ceremony thanking many people for helping to plan and organize the Mass and for participating in other diocesan activities relating to the anniversary. Commemorative certificates were handed out to a number of people, and applause of course happened. Then the bishop completed the Mass with the Apostolic Blessing and the procession at the end.

Presumably announcement time is considered to be outside the liturgy, or a bishop (who is not particularly progressive, I would add) would not be doing this at a very reverent and formal OF Mass.
 
I remember that when Pope Benedict XVI went to Cuba Fidel Castro asked him, “What did you all do to the Catholic Church?”
 
The sooner the better. Call your area Catholic Church and make an appointment with a priest for confession. 🙏🙏🙏
 
My Anglican Church sometimes claps after the choir’s anthem and it really bothers me.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
these examples take place AFTER the Mass.
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I thought that the Mass was ended when the priest gives a blessing by invoking the Sign of the Cross and then says something like:
  1. “Go in the peace of Christ.”
  2. “The Mass is ended, go in peace.”
  3. “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.”
 
AlNg said:
I thought that the Mass was ended when the priest gives a blessing by invoking the Sign of the Cross and then says something like:
  1. “Go in the peace of Christ.”
  2. “The Mass is ended, go in peace.”
  3. “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.”
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ProVobis said:
Yes but they don’t want you to leave before the priest.
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Yeah, but I outfox them. When they begin their long list of events, I walk out the door. If they want to take 10 minutes reading a list of events I have no interest in, be my guest. But I’ll be in my car driving home.
 
I don’t blame you. Sometimes they get carried away with the toward-the-end fun.
 
If you consider a 50th wedding anniversary “religious entertainment and religious titillation”…well, I won’t say what I think of that.

Many times here on CAF, wiser posters than me have pointed out that Pope Benedict XVI wrote this statement about applause BEFORE he was the Pope, and it is NOT binding dogma that Catholics must “obey.”

I’ll tell you what–instead of clapping next time your priest announces a couple’s 50th wedding anniversary, go up to the blessed couple afterwards and give them a great big financial gift and tell them that you are praying for them.
 
Peeps said:
Many times here on CAF, wiser posters than me have pointed out that Pope Benedict XVI wrote this statement about applause BEFORE he was the Pope, and it is NOT binding dogma that Catholics must “obey.”
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Besides that, it was no more or less than his personal thoughts on the matter. Granted, they were the thoughts of a great thinker, theologian, and liturgist. They deserve our attention, respect, and consideration, but they would not constitute a teaching, even if they had been published in a similar work while Pope Benedict held the office.
 
Peeps said:
If you consider a 50th wedding anniversary “religious entertainment and religious titillation”…well, I won’t say what I think of that.
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I guess you need to read more carefully what has been said. Here is the quote by the future Pope:

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.”

I don’t see where it mentions anything about a 50th wedding anniversary being religious entertainment and religious titillation. As I read it, he is speaking against the applause breaking out in the liturgy. Perhaps it can be argued that the announcements before the final blessing are not part of the liturgy, but still applause at that time is before the ending of the liturgy and seems to be going against the spirit of what the future Pope said.
 
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