In the new Compendum to the Catechism it does have the Latin translations of most of the noramal prayers and the Holy Father has said he would like to see at least some of the prayers done in Latin, Our Father, Glora, Sanctus and the Kyrie restored to Greek. As far as the Mass itself, I agree, I don’t believe mandated Latin will make a comeback anytime soon…
I’ve never seen many icons at Traditional masses. You would be more likely to find them at an Eastern Liturgy or at a Pauline Rite that is influenced by the Orthodox traditions. Many of them are nowadays incidentally. Communion rails are gone in most places and very hard to come by. Good luck on your search though.
I’ll live, it’s fine by me, but maybe in the future they’ll use the rails. In the meantime, I can only pray that a Tridentine mass is going to start being offered at a Parish nearby me. O my hopes!Greetings! This is my first post here and I am also interested in this developing story. In fact there will be a “New Missal” introduced sometime in 2008 that will include a faithful translation from the latin (finally!). What is unclear is whether or not there will be any other changes to the new Missal. We do know that the changes are considered significant enough that Bishop’s Conferences are preparing special “formational materials to assist Bishops in introducing the new Roman Missal.”
I understand that it will include this ‘correction’ among many others.I hope it includes, ‘Lord I am not worthy that you should come under my roof’ instead of ‘Lord I am not worthy to receive you’. My personal favourite.
Fantastic. The ICEL have had it their way for long enough.
I want to preface this by saying in advance, that I don’t mean this rant against you personally at all.
I do not believe the other changes were pastorally advisable at the rate they were undertaken. But, two hasty changes are not better than one hasty change. Just give the Church time. The last forty years are only 1/50th of the life of the Church, a mere blink of the eye.
We must recognize, however, that this is an initiative of Rome in cooperation with Bishop’s conferences. It would appear that the competent authorities indeed find the changes necessary and pastorally advisable.
True, and I will defer to their teaching and guidance in all things. I was merely posting some personal misgivings.
Pardon me for a moment if I just make one observation that I’ve been thinking about regarding this for a long time (I’m not one of these people who favor inclusive language or a diddling about linguistically with the Mass to “keep pace” with contemporary times, indeed, I wish we used “thee” and “thou,” etc.): What really IS the problem with “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you?” That’s what we’re actually DOING at that point. We’re not receiving Him under our “roof.” He isn’t coming to our house, as He had started out toward the centurion’s in the NT (from which we take the words, I grant you that), He’s coming into US. I don’t see why this is such a big problem.
From what I understand, when the Mass was finally allowed to be said in the vernacular, various nations rushed out translations so that the Mass could be said immediately, with the expressed understanding that a better, more universal translation would be prepared when time allowed. Other reforms were higher in priority in the beginning. What resulted was a poor translation that differs dramatically depending upon what English speaking nation you’re in. For example, there are substantial differences between the English used in the Mass in England, the U.S., and Australia. What the Vatican has done is finally come back to the issue to clean up the language and make it as accurate as possible (and also to create a universal English translation). This was always meant to take place as part of allowing the vernacular, and in terms of church time, they’ve gotten around to it pretty quickly.
I hope they go back to the old style of the Tridentine Mass, but with a Reverent Vernacular Translation of the Tridentine, with some of the added readings that the Novus Ordo Missae added. I think that would have been a better solution, but I trust that God will guide the Holy Pontiff towards making the best decision whatever it may be.