Changing Denominations

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For the most part yes, that is true.

Protestants believe that where ever “two or three are gathered together” in the name of Jesus, there He is in their midst. The “denomination” is simply “window dressing”…some people like sheer panels…others like heavy drapes…some like blinds…others like shutters…

Except for a few denominations, I believe some Lutheran groups, inter-communion is not an issue. As long as the central message of Christ is taught…it’s not that big of a deal…there is only One Church…and it is made up of those redeemed by Christ through grace by faith.

As a Friend, when I “sojourn” to an area with no Friend’s Meeting,…or even if there is a Friend’s Meeting, I request a “minute” from the Clerk of the Meeting to provide the Clerk of the Meeting or pastor of the church to introduce me as a member of the Society of Friends.

If I plan on one day going back to the Meeting in which I belong, I am given a “minute” or “letter of introduction” to inform the new Clerk or pastor of a church that I plan on returning to my original Meeting.
I have only once been to an activity, a meditation sponsored by the local Quaker college. I went with my spiritual director.
I have visited several different denominations, and shared in the worship with my non-Catholic brothers and sisters. Although I have visited, it has never been with the intention of leaving the Catholic Church. I do not generally introduce myself as a member of the Catholic Church. Neither do I hide my identity, if asked. My presence has even served as a means of dispelling myths that others hold regarding Catholic teaching.

I currently work in a country with only one Catholic church. I have lived in other towns where there is only Catholic church. In my current hometown, stateside, there are several Catholic churches. My own home parish is small. I enjoy activities with members of nearby parishes, as well as my own.
 
Most Protestants do not see their group as the “one true faith”. Many of them are congregationalists of some kind, and so feel the The Church is constituted at the level of each local congregation. Two churches that are in a different political group would might have somewhat different beliefs, or different ways of worshiping. But both would feel that the other group was still part of the Church, and they might even feel that the differences were not on essential matters.

So, with that as background, it means that changing “denomination” may be more like a Catholic moving from one parish to another, or perhaps becoming an Eastern Catholic instead of a Latin Catholic. There could be a number of legitimate reasons. A person might move, and some Protestants will go to the nearest parish that isn’t totally objectionable. Or maybe one chooses a parish with service times that work for one’s schedule, or a good children’s program, or good music, or just because a particular parish has a great pastor. One might move out of a parish for similar kinds of reasons.

Of course Protestants might also change if they come to change their theological opinions, but that is also true of Catholics.
 
I couldnt agree more. I think in the circumstance that you are presenting its all catholic doctrine that binds us together. I think the luke warm catholics as you call them do seem to seek a faith outside the church and I suspect they areas luke warm there as any place else.
Of the Catholics I personally know who have left the Church, all but one have done so because of an irregular marriage situation or a disagreement with the Church teaching on contraception.
 
I think in most cases it is true. However, when you get into the Bible belt where 99% of churches are Fundamentalist, it is very rarely true as they think they’re the only ones who are true!
 
=aliciaswain;7234536]Hi guys,
I have a protestant room mate and sometimes we discuss the differences that we know of between being catholic and being protestant. The other day, somehow we got to talking about members leaving one denomination for another.
I told her that as far as I knew, unless someone disagrees with the teachings of the catholic church, people don’t leave the church for a protestant denomination.
She said that it is generally acceptable for protestants to change denominations, as long as they are going to a christian church.
I was wondering if this is true and what others opinions are on this.
First let me share a SHOCKER:eek:with you:o

"Fallen away Catholics have become the second largest “religious body” [if we can use that term;] in the USA.!

The reason Protestants “can and do” change at will there denominations is because they are encouraged [which is an anti-biblical position, that apposes what the bible actually says]

2nd. Peter Chapter One verse 20 “First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. “

**2 Pet.3: 16 **“peaking of this as he [PAUL] in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. “

2nd. Tim. 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work

**1 Thess.1: 5 **“for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction.”

1Tim.3: 15 "if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truthNOTE: ALL SINGULAR terms.

This last verse is saying only the Catholic Church has the authority from God and therefore the necessary Wisdom to PROPERLY explain the bible. The Bible is after all a CATHOLIC book that existed for nearly 1,500 YEARS before the publication of the King James edited verson.

It is because there is no continunity of bliefs, that they are free to shop around for one that agrees with them. It may make i more enjoyable; but it is filled with UNCERTAINITY of personal salvation no matter what they say our choose freely to believe. TRUTH is SINGULAR!

Matt.16 Verses 18 to 19: **
And I [Jesus / GOD] tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church,[SINGULAR] and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. *** I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
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Protestants are not worried about this an keep trying to refute it. They can’t; It’s Gpd’a Word and Divine Will.

Love and prayers,
Pat
 
Much of this has been said already, but let me spiel on a bit anyway.

** Most mainline Protestants - especially Methodists, Presbyterians, members of the United Church of Christ, American (northern, historically) Baptists, Dutch Reformed, Disciples of Christ, etc. - transfer quite easily from one denomination to another.** It often happens when someone moves to a new community. They are likely to ‘church shop’ for a short time, to check out which church may have the best preaching, the most convenient location, the finest Sunday School program and facilities, the most attractive youth program, good parking, and various other factors. They will probably be influenced by their earlier denominational ties. If, for example, they had been attending a Methodist Church they might check out Methodist churches in the area first. They also might be influenced by neighbors. If they have friendly neighbors who invite them to their church, they’ll probably try that one. They can be impacted by a prompt visit from the minister or visitors from a given church. Churches that are ‘on the ball’ register visitors each week and follow-up quickly with visits, phone calls, and/or welcome notes.
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 **Among those mainstream Protestants there is little concept of 'one true church'.** Their members usually are 'big tent' minded - that is, they aren't troubled by different theological opinions among members. They can even enjoy Bible classes where various interpretations are offered and explored. Episcopalians and Lutherans are somewhat less likely to stray because of their emphasis on liturgy. Most mainstream Protestant churches cooperate in issuing 'certificate of transfer' to other churches. 

  **Intermarriage is a major factor in changing denominations, too**. The couple decide that it's best to attend the same church. In some instances, if, say, one is a Presbyterian and the other is an Episcopalian, perhaps they'll deliberately end up in a Methodist church. There is little resistance to marriages between Protestants, somewhat more between a Protestant and a Catholic, though far less than there was 50 or so years ago.
** In Canada and elsewhere there have been major mergers among Protestants.** In Canada, way back in 1925, the Methodists, Congregationalists and most Presbyterians merged into the United Church of Canada. The same has been happening in Australia - and in India and a few othe rplaces. Remember, too, that most mainstream Protestant denominations are members of the National and World Council of Churches. They can be a bit competitive on a local level, perhaps, but they often see themselves as Protestants first. Various American denominations are mergers, too. For example, most Congregationalist churches (Pilgrim/Puritan background) merged 40 and more years agp with the Evangelical and Reformed denomination (German background) to form the United Church of Christ. The Methodist Church and the Evangelical United Brethen Church merged in 1968 to form the United Methodist Church.
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  **Now, there is a major division between strong 'born-again' sola scriptura  Protestants and mainline Protestants.** The born-again Protestants tend to monopolize the TV religious channels. These include most Baptists, Pentecostalists, and the major independent mega-churches that have mushroomed across the nation. These churches have pulled some out of the mainstream denominations, but also many Catholics. In this area, where Catholicism is strong, most members of these evangelical churches seem to have been Catholics. I don't know why.
** These churches focus much more upon the pastor, vigorous preachering, hearty singing of praise songs, and an evangelical message,** Many of them emphasize ‘end times’ (Jesus will return soon), enthusiastic support of Israel, emotional altar calls, etc. Some focus on speaking in tongues. These folks often hop from one evangelical church to another because of some conflict over doctrine, but often over power or personality issues. They put a halo over these, of course. The evangelicals have been especially successful in the South and among Hispanics. Most African-American churches are evangelical in their message and style, thousands of them Baptist or Methodist, but do not regard themselves as part of the hard-core fundamentalist camp.

** Protestantism is complex - a wild understatement. **Entering it is like going into a huge cafeteria with dozens of flavors (churches) to choose from. But, there also are many (millions) of cafeteria Catholics, who may remain in the church but believe this doctrine and don’t believe that doctrine. You will also find liturgical differences within denominations. Some Methodist churches will resemble Episcopal or Lutheran churches. Others are more like Baptist or Presbyterian churches. Often the pastor sets the tone, and his or her seminary training is a key factor.

** God bless them all! ** Let us work together to make religion a bridge and not a barrier.
 
I couldnt agree more. I think in the circumstance that you are presenting its all catholic doctrine that binds us together. I think the luke warm catholics as you call them do seem to seek a faith outside the church and I suspect they areas luke warm there as any place else.
I found many lukewarm Catholics who become very devout Evangelicals. Sometimes the circumstances are just better for them. Most Evangelical circles are relatively more and thus they feel a better sense of belonging to the parish. Do they know better about the faith? Maybe not, but that fellowship can go a long way. Something many Catholics take for granted.

Case in point, when I went to visit a Byzantine Rite Ukrainian Catholic parish, I was warmly greeted by the subdeacon and other people who were there. Even the priest knows me now. It is such a great feeling. It has nothing to do with Catechisis or even the Liturgy, but as people it feels great that we feel people draw us in. Its part of the reason I fell in love more with going to Divine Liturgy. The Liturgy itself is wonderful, but having friendly people really helps the draw.

I have another good example. As a Filipino immigrant here in Canada, I notice a lot of Filipinos here are Protestants, namely Evangelicals, Pentecostals or non-Denominationals. Why? As new immigrants in a new land, you don’t have the usual support groups in your personal life. Few family if any, hardly any friends. The approach of these groups help draw people in. Many lukewarm Catholics are drawn to such fellowship because they don’t realize how important it is to keep the Catholic faith. Of course it also helps the cause of these Protestants that they say “its all the same” if not better.
 
I am a former Protestant and I notice the dilemma they face in trying to find a new church. Most Protestants are raised thinking if they don’t agree with a church, they can just leave or start a new one. Schism is seen as a perfectly acceptable solution to church disagreements. It is the foul fruit of the Reformation. This is also why there are 30,000 different denominations of Protestant Christianity. It makes it very strenuous on the believer to sort out which of these numerous churches is right…Not to sound arrogant but I feel sorry for them. I used to never be satisfied with looking around for churches and it used to be so hard for me to figure out who’s right that I stopped reading Scripture period. God has led me to a home since then and I read the Scriptures with gusto! Gotta love Him 🙂
I think you are wrong here on several counts. First of all, what do you mean by most Protestants? This is very misleading. I am a Protestant who shares more in common with Catholics and Orthodox Christians than other Protestant denominations. 30,000 denominations? Really? Can you name them for us? And how do you get 30,000 different ways of interpreting “This Is My Body, Do This In Rememberance of Me”? It is a played out and overblown shot at Protestants to keep harping on this. Catholics are as split on many issues as Protestants are. To say that they are not is just simply denying the truth.
 
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Within and under the umbrella of Protestantism, there are many denominations. For some Protestants, being a “Protestant” is more important than, say, being a Baptist, or a Methodist, or a Presbyterian. Oftentimes a Protestant will start out raised by his family in one denomination of Protestantism, then explore others as time goes on, to find the denomination that seems to best suit him. Protestants aren’t generally encumbered by our Catholic notion of “One True Church” with respect to individual denominations. For many Protestants, “Reformed Christianity” is the true Church, and anything that they feel authentically holds claim to that term is a legitimate expression of Christ’s Church. So be one a Lutheran, a Southern Baptist, an Evangelical…what you will…it essentially amounts to six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Very often I came across Protestants who do not want to be labelled ‘Protestants’. What are these?
 
Most Protestants do not see their group as the “one true faith”. Many of them are congregationalists of some kind, and so feel the The Church is constituted at the level of each local congregation. Two churches that are in a different political group would might have somewhat different beliefs, or different ways of worshiping. But both would feel that the other group was still part of the Church, and they might even feel that the differences were not on essential matters.

**So, with that as background, it means that changing “denomination” may be more like a Catholic moving from one parish to another, or perhaps becoming an Eastern Catholic instead of a Latin Catholic. ** There could be a number of legitimate reasons. A person might move, and some Protestants will go to the nearest parish that isn’t totally objectionable. Or maybe one chooses a parish with service times that work for one’s schedule, or a good children’s program, or good music, or just because a particular parish has a great pastor. One might move out of a parish for similar kinds of reasons.

Of course Protestants might also change if they come to change their theological opinions, but that is also true of Catholics.
For the sake of my own understanding, why do I sometimes meet objection from Protestants if they are to be lumped together in the same category ‘Protestant’?

Catholics changing parishes basically is out of convenience though sometimes it can be personal, but otherwise there is no involvement of any changes in belief and practice. I am quite surprised to hear that the different Protestant denominations are similar to different Catholic parishes.

I would like to know this better in order to avoid wrongly identifying the many Protestant posters here.

Thanks.
 
Let me add that not everybody who sets out on a journey leaving the Catholic Church is necessarily a lukewarm Catholic.
While there are those who do, they are in the minority compared to those hapless victims of proselytizations
 
Very often I came across Protestants who do not want to be labelled ‘Protestants’. What are these?
Our non-Catholic brothers and sisters can rightly be called separated. See the Vatican II documents on ecumenism.
A friend of mine was on a trip to Italy. When a friend in the group referred to herself as Protestant, the friar conducting the tour asked, “What are you protesting?” While members of other congregations may not enjoy the richness of the Catholic Church, their goal is the same as ours, a closer relationship with Jesus Christ.
 
Hi guys,

I have a protestant room mate and sometimes we discuss the differences that we know of between being catholic and being protestant. The other day, somehow we got to talking about members leaving one denomination for another.

I told her that as far as I knew, unless someone disagrees with the teachings of the catholic church, people don’t leave the church for a protestant denomination.

She said that it is generally acceptable for protestants to change denominations, as long as they are going to a christian church.

I was wondering if this is true and what others opinions are on this.

Thanks! 😃
On my drive to church, I pass probably 4 other “Protestant” churches. I will be happy to join their congregations and shorten my drive when they:
  1. Confess the Augsburg Confession specifically, and the Book of Concord in general.
  2. When they discern and confess the true and substantial body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist.
  3. When they confess the salvific nature of Baptism, and practice confession/Holy Absolution.
Jon
 
** Protestant. Pro = for. Testant + testifying.** Some Protestants are knowledgable enough to claim that they are testifying for the faith rather than primarily protesting against anything. It is true, however, that Luther launched what became the Reformation by protesting against indulgences being sold. As many will recall. the priest Tetzel was promising people that the more they contributed to build St. Peter’s in Rome, the less time loved ones would have to spend in purgatory. I always thought it ironic that the flame that touched off the Reformation was ignited by the construction of St. Peter’s. The Council of Trent tried to remedy the notion that you could buy one’s way out of purgatory and into heaven. Today some Protestant evangelists are assuring the faithful that they can, in effect, gain happiness and even earthly riches and heavenly rewards by contributing in a sacrificial manner to their particular enterprise. Some probably are sincere, but others I’m convinced are greedy hucksters.

** There are Protestants who prefer to call themselves simply Christian** and tend to avoid the word Protestant. They often are connected with ‘non-denominational’ congregations which try to have the widest appeal possible. These churches are almost inevitably Protestant in their worship and doctines.

** Often people forget that the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, two of the most aggressive groups, do not consider themselves Protestants**. The Mormons add different prophets (especially Joseph Smith), additional scriptures, and a governing hierarchy more in line with Catholicism than Protestantism. In Joseph Smith’s first vision Christ he claimed that told him that all the various denominations were an ‘abomination’. Jehovah Witnesses view every group but their own as invalid Christianity. They also have their own translation of the Bible and various doctrines that conflict with traditional Christianity, Catholic or Protestant.
 
While there are those who do, they are in the minority compared to those hapless victims of proselytizations
Just wanted to make sure that that is clear, as the thought arises very often that those who leave the Catholic Church were not catechized enough, were just cultural Catholics or were never really part of the Catholic faith in the first place. Generalizing is not really helpful.
** Protestant. Pro = for. Testant + testifying.** Some Protestants are knowledgable enough to claim that they are testifying for the faith rather than primarily protesting against anything. It is true, however, that Luther launched what became the Reformation by protesting against indulgences being sold. As many will recall. the priest Tetzel was promising people that the more they contributed to build St. Peter’s in Rome, the less time loved ones would have to spend in purgatory. I always thought it ironic that the flame that touched off the Reformation was ignited by the construction of St. Peter’s. The Council of Trent tried to remedy the notion that you could buy one’s way out of purgatory and into heaven. Today some Protestant evangelists are assuring the faithful that they can, in effect, gain happiness and even earthly riches and heavenly rewards by contributing in a sacrificial manner to their particular enterprise. Some probably are sincere, but others I’m convinced are greedy hucksters.

** There are Protestants who prefer to call themselves simply Christian** and tend to avoid the word Protestant. They often are connected with ‘non-denominational’ congregations which try to have the widest appeal possible. These churches are almost inevitably Protestant in their worship and doctrines.
I think many Protestants do see themselves as Christians first of all. If you ask them for their faith they won’t answer “Protestant” but “Christian”. On the other hand you will find some Catholics who declare themselves as such (“Catholic”) right away (certainly implying “Christian”).
 
Just wanted to make sure that that is clear, as the thought arises very often that those who leave the Catholic Church were not catechized enough, were just cultural Catholics or were never really part of the Catholic faith in the first place. Generalizing is not really helpful.

I think many Protestants do see themselves as Christians first of all. If you ask them for their faith they won’t answer “Protestant” but “Christian”. On the other hand you will find some Catholics who declare themselves as such (“Catholic”) right away (certainly implying “Christian”).
I refer to myself as an evangelical Catholic - a Lutheran Christian - rarely as a Protestant.

Jon
 
I would say I was a Christian or an Anglican depending on who I was speaking to - a person who didn’t know much about Christianity I wouldn’t bother to be specific. To an Anglican I might possibly describe myself as a prayer-book Anglican, or maybe an Anglo-Catholic. I can’t imagine ever describing myself as a Protestant.
 
I call myself a Christian.
Once in a while I refer to myself as non-Catholic Christian or ex-Catholic Christian and very rarely as a Protestant Christian. These however are all usually in connection with this forum.
 
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