Changing mind during sex?

[phil_at_dayboro]

Be nice to even have the oppertunity to be able to have a mind change

 

[LongingSoul]

Be nice to even have the oppertunity to be able to have a mind change

phil, women have to take a stand for each other against this toxic attitude that a man can *demand *sex as his right. The demands and rights are the antitheses of Catholic conjugal love when they are not mutually appreciated.

 

[phil_at_dayboro]

phil, women have to take a stand for each other against this toxic attitude that a man can *demand *sex as his right. The demands and rights are the antitheses of Catholic conjugal love when they are not mutually appreciated.

I apologise if my comment was misinterpreted,I was trying to be vaguely humorous ,
Because after decades of marriage , not much happends, it’s an older generation thing ,
And yes, I understand exactly what males can be like, I’d get an infraction if I let my feeling be known about my opinions of males in general ,

 

[tweedlealice]

Hi
As a nurse, If intercouse has begun in a fertile period, he doesn’t have to ejaculate to get you pregnant. There are always overeager sperm waiting in line in the urethra to get started on their journey. I would estimate 1 cc may have snuck out during the preliminary fun. If you didn’t get pregnant w the over eager scouts. You lucked out. But it was cruel and unusual punishment for your spouse and masterbation, I just found out is a mortal sin. So, watch your calender and all the other rhythm method tells you and lock the door at other times. Teen agers have gotten pregnant, where the girl was still a virgin. They stopped but the scouts trodded on.

I will applaud God on His wisdom on the intricacies of procreation. My husband is 73 and on oxygen. I am an orthopedic cripple. I promise you I am going to write a book called “Handicapped Romance.” w an annonymous name. So far I am romancing Papa Smurf as he turns blue. I will leave you laughing.

       May God have mercy on my soul
           tweedlealice   :shrug:

 

[SWolf]

Yet such circumstances are not in evidence in the OP’s Circumstances. Obstinance is not in evidence. Refusal to support a marriage financially is a hypothetical created by you, but not relevant to this thread.

I have married friends too . My friends are fortunate not to feel the need to resort to demands.

Unless one of the characteristics Vico mentioned was happening, what the OP did was cruel. Even if one was happening, she should not have consented in the first place.

My clear point in the financial hypothetical was to show there are times a spouse has the right to demand the other spouse lives up to his or her marital obligations when their actions or inaction is seriously damaging it. Sex is no different.

 

[SWolf]

Hold on? Your dad’s friends are of the video game generation. How old are you??

I like to think young… in my 30’s . You would be surprised how many older men play video games too.

Also, you are saying that if the mutual exchange of conjugal relations is not amicable, that the parties can ‘demand’ their sexual satisfaction from the spouse? Are you married? Is this how you resolve your need for sexual satisfaction??

Yes. Yes. No. I’m blessed that my wife understand the value of conjugal relations, even when not feeling up to it. We had the conversation before we married. I give her what she needs in the marital act even when I am exhausted or stressed, and she reciprocates even when not feeling up to it. I’m a lucky man.

My guess is that you are motivated in your opinion by detached idealism without a real experience of the marriage relationship. Hopefully readers will detect this anomaly and not think this is a true Catholic approach.

As I stated, mutual is always the ideal. Also, as I already stated, there is a time when a spouse is doing serious damage to a marriage by obstinately refusing sex. It goes against the clear teaching of St. Paul, and a spouse has a right to demand their marital rights in these circumstances.

1 Corinthians 2-5
But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

 

[Vico]

Hold on? Your dad’s friends are of the video game generation. How old are you??..

Just curious, what is the video game generation, considering the history of video games?

First Decade

• Magnivox Odyssey – 1972
• Atari Pong – 1975
• Atari (VCS) 2600 – 1977
• Mattel Intellivision – 1980

Second Decade

• Colecovision – 1982
• Nintendo NES – 1985
• Sega Master System – 1989
• Sega Genesis – 1989
• Nintendo GameBoy – 1989
• Nintendo Super NES – 1991

Third Decade

• Sony Playstation – 1995
• Nintendo 64 – 1996
• Sony Playstation 2 – 2000
• XBox – 2001
• Nintendo GameCube – 2001

Fourth Decade

• Xbox 360 – 2005
• Sony Playstation 3 – 2006
• Nintendo Wii – 2006

Fifth Decade

• Nintendo Wii U – 2012
• Sony PlayStation 4 – 2013
• Microsoft’s Xbox One – 2013

 

[Memaw]

Not sure why you feel the need to reply twice to this post; maybe you forgot that you did. Anyway, posts #22 and #23 addressed this and it doesn’t need to be rehashed.

I remember everything I said, I was responding to what you said. No need to get rude! God Bless, memaw

 

[Rau]

Unless one of the characteristics Vico mentioned was happening, what the OP did was cruel. Even if one was happening, she should not have consented in the first place.

My clear point in the financial hypothetical was to show there are times a spouse has the right to demand the other spouse lives up to his or her marital obligations when their actions or inaction is seriously damaging it. Sex is no different.

There is a time to call the police too, but that also is not relevant to the curcumstances in this thread.

 

[underacloud]

I remember everything I said, I was responding to what you said. No need to get rude! God Bless, memaw

I was pointing out that you responded twice (post #22 and #42) to the same post of mine (#21). I don’t see how I am being rude, but I’m sorry if you took it that way.

 

[underacloud]

Unless one of the characteristics Vico mentioned was happening, what the OP did was cruel. Even if one was happening, she should not have consented in the first place.

The OP did not state whether it was one or both who decided to stop. It may be that they mutually agreed to stop, in which case there’s nothing cruel about that.

But yes, she should not have consented in the first place. Or better, they should have mutually agreed to abstain, rather than one or the other being the “NFP gatekeeper”.

My clear point in the financial hypothetical was to show there are times a spouse has the right to demand the other spouse lives up to his or her marital obligations when their actions or inaction is seriously damaging it. Sex is no different.

Yes, I completely agree regarding the overall principle. The marriage debt is a well established principle for Catholic spouses and to be respected by both spouses. The specifics of applying it can be less clear, as this discussions shows.

 

[Memaw]

I was pointing out that you responded twice (post #22 and #42) to the same post of mine (#21). I don’t see how I am being rude, but I’m sorry if you took it that way.

SOOOOO, guess I’m just not a 'straight thinking ’ Catholic. God Bless, Memaw

 

[pnewton]

I would say it could be sinful, but for a reason that hasn’t been mentioned yet. Jesus told us that stumbling will occur, but woe to the one who causes the stumble. One role of the wife is to help get the husband into Heaven. If the wife by her actions deliberately increases adds to the temptation of sexual immorality, than thaw would be sinful on her part. Lot of “ifs” though.