Changing our culture of death

[vz71]

This argument will continue as long as there are those that deny reality.

The reality is that life begins at conception and it is human life.

Deferment to God is really another cop out.
God had provided the answer. And God provided us the intelligence to see it.

 

[edwest2]

At the point of conception, a unique human being is alive. It contains genetic material from the mother and father. Everyone reading this began life as a zygote. A new human life begins at conception:

princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception/

As far as pro-abortion advocates, a Time magazine cover story dated January 14, 2013, tell us that 40 years after Roe v. Wade, they’ve been losing ever since.

content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2132761,00.html

Pregnancy tests are designed to confirm an increase in the hormone hCG in the now pregnant mother. Look up any pregnancy test for further information.

What is Prenatal Care?

nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/prenatalcare.html

Ed

 

[Ender]

If you support the death penalty then you support the culture of death.

Let’s not go there. Supporting capital punishment no more represents support for a culture of death than supporting just wars or killing in self defense, all cases recognized by the church as legitimate acts.

Ender

 

[Rau]

…If you support the death penalty then you support the culture of death.

And to enlarge on Ender’s response above, what does “support the death penalty” mean? The Church’s position is merely that the act is not “intrinsically evil” - meaning there may a coming together of times, places, purposes and circumstances where the death penalty is a moral act.

So this is not a positive advocacy, or the mounting of a movement to see it practiced in the present at all. In fact, it is evident that the Church has proposed that it may be most unwise as a practice in the modern world.

Now if some persons want to see the death penalty routinely practiced to save money, or even when less harmful acts achieve the same intended good - I would take issue with that also.

 

[BornInMarch]

I personally think that the technology for Artificial Wombs will be what ends Abortion.

People will always have premarital and extramarital sex, and people will always want to avoid the responsibility of raising the resulting children. These are facts of life that no amount of education or preaching will ever fully get rid of. Christian Values can do a lot of good, but they can’t erase Adam’s Curse from the whole of humanity. However, Artificial Wombs will allow for people to be selfish without committing wholesale murder. Fetal Viability (the stage when a fetus can survive outside of the womb on life support, and therefore the stage where abortions become illegal) will be pushed back to conception, and as an added bonus those frozen embryos produced from in-vitro will be able to come to term.

Orphanages and Foster Homes will see an increase in capacity, which means adoption will be easier for those who want children but can’t have them. Population Stagnation and Decreases in The West will be counteracted, the workforce increase will lead to more production of goods (and therefore less scarcity), and there being more people increases the chance of some of them doing Great Things.

In any case, I am optimistic that Abortion will soon go the way of Chattel Slavery.

 

[edwest2]

On a practical level, cost will always be an issue. Why create an artificial womb if the world’s population keeps rising? Even it became practical, it would be immoral.

Ed

 

[BornInMarch]

On a practical level, cost will always be an issue. Why create an artificial womb if the world’s population keeps rising? Even it became practical, it would be immoral.

Ed

From an economic standpoint, Artificial Wombs have a number of uses.

The children who aren’t aborted end up entering the workforce when they grow up, leading to an increase of productivity. More hands to do more work to create more goods for the more people. As for overpopulation: that is only a myth created by Eugenicists and Social Darwinists. The truth is that the populations of western countries are stagnating and even declining as people are having less and less children. Even if every country had the same population increase as China and India, there is an entire universe of uninhabited planets just waiting to be colonized.

From a Moral Standpoint, Artificial Wombs in and of themselves are no less immoral than cesarean sections or safe-haven laws.

It it’s not a choice between a world where mothers leave unwanted children at orphanages to develop in artificial wombs or a world where mothers never have pre-marital sex. It is a choice between a world where mothers leave unwanted children at orphanages to develop in artificial wombs or a world where mothers murder their children in the womb by injecting them with saline or ripping them to shreds.

There will NEVER be a world with perfect sexual morality; to suggest otherwise would be to suggest that Original Sin can be cured.

Is having unprotected premarital sex and abandoning the resulting children immoral? Yes, but I would rather people abandon their children than kill them.

 

[Rau]

…Even if every country had the same population increase as China and India, there is an entire universe of uninhabited planets just waiting to be colonized.

The bulk of which are forever out of reach due to the nature of that universe - its scale and the finite speed of light. And most of the rest are too far away to be reachable in any practical sense given technologies we possess or can propose. One day - that may change.

From a Moral Standpoint, Artificial Wombs in and of themselves are no less immoral than cesarean sections or safe-haven laws

.Well, a gun is not immoral in and of itself, or a condom, or anything else.

 

[Viki63]

I personally think that the technology for Artificial Wombs will be what ends Abortion.

People will always have premarital and extramarital sex, and people will always want to avoid the responsibility of raising the resulting children. These are facts of life that no amount of education or preaching will ever fully get rid of. Christian Values can do a lot of good, but they can’t erase Adam’s Curse from the whole of humanity. However, Artificial Wombs will allow for people to be selfish without committing wholesale murder. Fetal Viability (the stage when a fetus can survive outside of the womb on life support, and therefore the stage where abortions become illegal) will be pushed back to conception, and as an added bonus those frozen embryos produced from in-vitro will be able to come to term.

Orphanages and Foster Homes will see an increase in capacity, which means adoption will be easier for those who want children but can’t have them. Population Stagnation and Decreases in The West will be counteracted, the workforce increase will lead to more production of goods (and therefore less scarcity), and there being more people increases the chance of some of them doing Great Things.

In any case, I am optimistic that Abortion will soon go the way of Chattel Slavery.

I agree with you that abortion will go the way of slavery.
Artificial wombs is an interesting concept, but I think wholly impractical. You’re saying that a teenager who gets pregnant in the back of her (self-driving!) car, or a young woman who already has two children and doesn’t want three, will go down to the local orphanage where the government kindly supplies free artificial wombs and the tech and nurses to support them, and undergo an operation to transfer the fetus from her womb to the artificial one?
I can’t see it happening.

I think abortion will end just like slavery has – it still exists in many countries, but it’s illegal, which certainly cuts down on the amount.
We will always have sin, but the goal of the pro-life supporters is to eliminate the acceptance of abortion as just another method of birth control. Along with that we hope for an increase in respect for life. Abortion goes hand in hand with child abuse, because if you can kill a child just before birth, why not beat him after birth?

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