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rben20
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Well glad you brought this up Constantine. If you did change over to a different rite…what ethnic group would you have to be a part of? 
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ConstantineTG
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As I mentioned in my question, someone I know brought it up. It never crossed my mind until that person mentioned it. In a way it makes sense because mostly Eastern Catholics of a particular sui juris Church would belong to the ethnic group of their patrimonial territory. Part of the reason is that Eastern Churches never got to expand the way the Roman Church is. I know this has nothing to do with the faith itself but more on the people themselves. I just wanted to confirm if anyone has experienced something like this. I know its one thing to visit a parish, its another to become part of it. Its like you’re always welcomed as a visitor to your sibling’s house, but if you stay for a month it changes everything.Well glad you brought this up Constantine. If you did change over to a different rite…what ethnic group would you have to be a part of?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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The Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic Church is ethnically diverse. We really have lost any one ethnic identity.
The Melkites I have met while being mostly Lebanese are very welcoming and their parishes (the two I have been to) are not ethnic in any way.
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fugadux
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Diak stated earlier in this thread that the question of changing sui iuris Churches would be considered for marriages. I am a Roman Church Catholic and my fiancée is a Chaldean Church Catholic, we are about to be married this coming January. What are the questions we need to discuss about Church enrollment? We both attend the Roman Rite, so the natural choice would of course be for my fiancée to switch if a switch was preferable.
In Christ,
David
In Christ,
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ConstantineTG
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I see. My friends comments just made me a little paranoid I guess. I only seek to increase my spirituality and not to offend other people so I want to make sure I’m not stepping on other people’s toes.
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Vico
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There is one complicating matter to consider for a Latin Catholic groom marrying an Eastern Catholic bride, if you are not content marrying in the Latin Church (which cannot be before a deacon but must be a priest per Eastern canons), you may not be able to marry (CCEO 831). If a Latin groom does marry an Eastern Catholic bride, he can switch to the Eastern Church (CIC 112), or she to the Latin Church (CCEO 33). Another issue is impediments which are more restrictive in the Eastern code, see CCEO 790 § 2.
Issue to consider:
- Must be before a priest of one of their churches and normally of the groom: CCEO 829 § 1, 831 § 2, CIC 1109
- Must be before a priest not a deacon: CCEO 828, 830
- Dispensations for impediments must be delt with, an Eastern cannot marry godparent CCEO 811 § 1, and a Latin widower cannot marry Eastern sister-in-law: CCEO 809 § 1.
- A change of ritual church does not need to occur for either; it is permissible to follow the holy days of obligation and fasting/abstinance rules for the ritual church of either spouse after marriage.
- From the day of taking canonical possession of office and as long as they legitimately hold office, everywhere within the boundaries of their territory, local hierarchs and pastors validly bless the marriage of parties whether they are subjects or non-subjects, provided that at least one of the parties is enrolled in his Church sui iuris.
The marriage is to be celebrated before the pastor of the groom, unless either particular law determines otherwise or a just cause excuses.
CIC Canon 112 §1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:
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2/ a spouse who, at the time of or during marriage, has declared that he or she is transferring to the ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; when the marriage has ended, however, the person can freely return to the Latin Church;
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CCEO Canon 33
A wife is at liberty to transfer to the Church of the husband at the celebration of or during the marriage; when the marriage has ended, she can freely return to the original Church sui iuris.
CCEO Canon 828
- Only those marriages are valid which are celebrated with a sacred rite, in the presence of the local hierarch, local pastor, or a priest who has been given the faculty of blessing the marriage by either of them, and at least two witnesses, according, however to the prescriptions of the following canons, with due regard for the exceptions mentioned in cann. 832 and 834, 2.
- That rite which is considered a sacred rite is the intervention a priest assisting and blessing.
- As long as they legitimately hold office, the local hierarch and the pastor can give the faculty to bless a determined marriage within their own territorial boundaries to priests of any Church sui iuris, even the Latin Church.
- However, only the local hierarch can give a general faculty for blessing marriages with due regard for can. 302, 2.
- In order that the conferral of the faculty for blessing a marriage be valid, it must be expressly given to specified priests; further, if the faculty is general, it must be given in writing.
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