Changing the definition of marriage devalues my marriage!

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First i will say i havent had time to read all of the replies. So i may be repeating what someone else has already said,or someone might think im not paying attention but im being up front about not reading everything…

now,i really dont agree with the OP.
Why are you trying to compare EVERY marriage and relationship to your own? what about women who cant have children naturally but yearn to be biological mothers? What about gay couples who have been together for 20+ years without leaving each other and without any indiscretions? it is rare but def out there!

I dont find it just for you to compare someone else’s relationship/marriage to your’s because no 2 are alike. whether between and man and a woman or a same sex couple.

There are scriptures in our bible saying that being gay is wrong,a sin, etc.
but God also says to love thy neighbor as thyself. He wants us to spread His love and joy through every word and action in our lives,so that is what i try to do.

I leave the judgments to God when the time comes and i offer a loving hand when asked.

Dont go on a spree of devaluation or whats right and whats wrong. just worry about your own marriage! love what you have,struggles and triumphs 😉
Hello and welcome to the Catholic Answers Forum,I trust that you will advance in wisdom and understanding on these forums.

You have brought up a whole range of issues here,may I offer this example, of why the person who started this thread has made a correct statement.

I hold a $100 dollar bill in my hand,now it is my owned valued personal property and I can save or spend it as I deem fit.(within God’s laws) But if a lobby group pressures the Government of the day to print more money, as a solution for a countries debt problems;my money will buy less,so it is devalued regardless of my own personal views.This is just a fact or a reality that it is worth less; but this can only be an economic policy and it may not be against God’s Ten Commandments in it’s social impact.

However,a marriage is a God given Sacrament, which confers graces and blessings upon a man & a woman with a possibility of creating children.

This marriage was not a product of some Government Law; but rather a government recognizes this social unite, as a basis for the glue that holds our social structure together.The problem with a government law which redefines marriage is like a Government ,which not only prints more money; but issues and prints** counterfeit **$100 dollar bills.It not only devalues marriage ;but if not opposed ,by all peoples of good will,has the power to bring down a nation!

May St.Joseph,the Father of The Universal Church and protector of the family,pray for us.
 
Epenilla,I noticed that you wrote down "catholic"as your chosen belief system.I presume then that you assent to the Apostolic Creed ,that a Catholic recites daily , every time they start the Rosary .“I believe in all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches”(act of Faith-in this Faith I am resolved to live and die.Amen)

I have been quoting often on this topic from a book by Dr.Scott Lively,from a free download under the title Reedeeming The Rainbow"I would like to quote from his wonderful insights; as it deals with some of the topics that you raised.I hope you will make an effort at least to read this!!

"What distinguishes homosexuality (the indulgence of same-sex attraction) from other sins is that some of those who practice it have created a social and political movement to normalize and legitimize it. They deny that homosexuality is a sin and insist (militantly) that society embrace homosexual relationships as equivalent to marriage and the natural family.
That is the reason for this book. It is not written to define homosexuality per se as a greater sin than others that plague our society (although we will address the relative gravity of homosexual sin in these pages). Neither is it written to single out homosexuals for condemnation. Indeed, there but for thegrace of God goes any of us.

Nor does this book intend to imply that the author in any way esteems himself personally above any of those who define themselves by their homosexual inclinations. I too am a sinner, saved only by my acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for my sins (John 3:16-18). From the eternal perspective, the only difference between them and me is that I admit that my sin is sin, while they claim that their choice to give in to same-sex attraction is an act of righteousness (or is morally neutral).

However, this book does condemn, in the strongest possible terms, the homosexual movement and its destructive agenda for social change. As the Scripture warns: “Woe unto them that call evil good,and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” (Isaiah
5:20-21).
How should we respond to a movement whose fruit, the Bible warns, is a society “filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness…envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable [and] unmerciful”? (Romans 1:26-32)
How can we love these “enemies” (Mathew 5:44) while at the same time “overcoming evil with good”? (Romans 12:21).

The rise of this “gay” movement represents one of the toughest moral (and political) challenges the church has ever faced, and we cannot confuse our duty to love the sinner with tolerance for the evil institution that movement has created. The Christian response to its agenda must be one of uncompromising opposition. Our duty to be salt and light to society, and to love our neighbors as ourselves, compels us."

This book is written to equip believers for this work.👍
 
There was however one post that stuck out to me:

I absolutely believe this type of action WOULD absolutely devalue marriage - the post seems to suggest committing fraud in marriage simply so it will be a man/woman union. I am pretty positive that the Church may have an issue with this.
Essie: is marriage something that happens naturally among humans, a state issued license with government benefits, or is it a creation of religion? Or is it two or more of those things? If you found a spouse, but could not get to a church or a judge to have your “marriage” recognized, could you ever be married? I’m saying: yes. Yes you can be married. Commit yourself to that person for the rest of your life with the intent to have babies. Blam: you’re married.

If I conclude marriage is a naturally occuring thing among the humans that is the single most important thing to human survival, am I not out of line for wanting our governments to create laws/institutions that recognize and support that truth?
 
Essie: is marriage something that happens naturally among humans, a state issued license with government benefits, or is it a creation of religion? Or is it two or more of those things? If you found a spouse, but could not get to a church or a judge to have your “marriage” recognized, could you ever be married? I’m saying: yes. Yes you can be married. Commit yourself to that person for the rest of your life with the intent to have babies. Blam: you’re married.

If I conclude marriage is a naturally occuring thing among the humans that is the single most important thing to human survival, am I not out of line for wanting our governments to create laws/institutions that recognize and support that truth?
As a Catholic of course what you were suggesting is unacceptable. The sacrament of marriage is not to be abused and not to be taken by people not fully committed in their beliefs, unity and love of each other and God.

Suggesting gay and lesbians can still be married by marrying someone from the opposite sex just so its a man/woman union is fraud of the act of marriage.
 
As a Catholic of course what you were suggesting is unacceptable. The sacrament of marriage is not to be abused and not to be taken by people not fully committed in their beliefs, unity and love of each other and God.

Suggesting gay and lesbians can still be married by marrying someone from the opposite sex just so its a man/woman union is fraud of the act of marriage.
My statement was part of a very long debate about whether or not procreation had anything to do with marriage. I was using an absurd example to illustrate that marriage is a natural part of being human (moreso than it is about being a citizen) and it is about creating life as much as it is about a unitive relationship. I would agree with you that my absurd example is one that likely lacks the unitive dimmension necessary for marriage. Though, I’m not ready to call, say Ted Haggard’s marriage and family fraudulant. I’m just never going to know enough about individuals and their desires to judge things like that.
 
My statement was part of a very long debate about whether or not procreation had anything to do with marriage. I was using an absurd example to illustrate that marriage is a natural part of being human (moreso than it is about being a citizen) and it is about creating life as much as it is about a unitive relationship. I would agree with you that my absurd example is one that likely lacks the unitive dimmension necessary for marriage. Though, I’m not ready to call, say Ted Haggard’s marriage and family fraudulant. I’m just never going to know enough about individuals and their desires to judge things like that.
Here is a great websight explaining how a "change of definition impacts children in our society once a this nonsense of same sex fraud “marriage” has been foolishly adopted by a country–worth exploring the great articles.

samesexmarriage.org.au/
 
Here is a great websight explaining how a "change of definition impacts children in our society once a this nonsense of same sex fraud “marriage” has been foolishly adopted by a country–worth exploring the great articles.

samesexmarriage.org.au/
Just one more propaganda website wanting to scapegoat a segment of the population for ruining marriage and society, oh yeah man, that’s really “great.” Crime, drug addiction, pornography, child abuse, etc, etc, continue as divorce rips apart our families, yet we continue the game that it is always someone else’s fault. I half expect you to call in the Gestapo!
 
I half expect you to call in the Gestapo!
No I will not(though that organization was full of same sex attraction males of the masochistic type!) But I will use reason instead—read on----

Why it is essential to oppose same-sex “marriage” / Babette Francis
The arguments used by the homosexual lobby, notably Australian Marriage Equality is
that the failure to allow people of the same sex to marry is an issue of discrimination, i.e.
denying equal treatment. However, homosexual couples are not “equal” to heterosexual
couples, any more than a female footballer is equal to a male footballer. They are different,
and the difference between homosexual and heterosexual couples is of far more significance
than the differences between sportsmen and sportswomen.

In His plan for humankind, God made human beings in two kinds, male and female with
very clear differences, not only physical but psychological, and most importantly, in
reproductive roles for the continuation of our species. Feminists, the homosexual lobby
and the so-called “progressives” (who are really backward thinking people who would in
linguistic terms reduce humankind to asexual amoeba) have a real grudge against the
Almighty (that is when they acknowledge His existence at all) about His creative “mistake”.
They have been trying to deny and expunge sex differences for the past half
century. Hence the demand that terms like “mother” and “father” be eliminated in documents
relating to children and replaced by “Parent l” and “Parent 2”.

But such parental documentation is based on lies because it needs a man and woman to
produce a child, and the main purpose of marriage as recognised by the state, as well as
religious organisations, is to provide a stable institution for the rearing of children. At least
one of the “parents” in homosexual couples is not the biological parent of the child/children
in that household, and that child/children will be denied the right to be raised by a mother or
a father.

It is obvious to those following feminist and homosexual political strategy that same-sex
“marriage” is not the end game, which is to normalize homosexual relationships and to
de-legitimize heterosexual monogamy. The homosexual lobby believes that heterosexual
monogamy as an ideal is the source of widespread discrimination against alternative
sexualities and lifestyles and must be denigrated as a social standard. Hence President
Obama’s objection to the inclusion of abstinence in government-funded sex
education programs.

By redefining marriage as a union of two persons, rather than one man and one woman, the
offending ideal is removed from the social, cultural and political landscape, and anyone
who supports the ideals of chastity, fidelity and married faithful heterosexual couples is
labeled “homophobic”.

The political battle for homosexual “marriage” by organisations such as Australian
Marriage Equality highlights the futility of the compromise by those Christians who thought
that by supporting same-sex registers they could placate the homosexual lobby. They failed
to realise that AME and similar groups would never be satisfied until they had
changed and destroyed marriage as an institution. Whatever financial or
visitation-in-hospital rights homosexuals complain they have been denied through an
inability to marry, they could achieve through legal channels such as wills,
business partnerships, next-of-kin declarations and other contracts. Furthermore, a
government register for sodomites is in conflict with Biblical precepts.

What the homosexual lobby wants is the ability to label opponents guilty of “hate” crimes.
They demand the right to indoctrinate school children, primary as well as secondary, into
the belief that both heterosexuality and homosexuality are normal and valid, and the right to
teach children explicit details of homosexual practices.

The homosexual lobby regards those who defend the traditional definition of marriage
which privileges the heterosexual norm as being guilty of the new sin of “heterosexism”. And
they are militant in demanding the denial of government funding to any agency which
does not support their agenda. Catholic adoption services in the UK and USA have had to
close down rather than provide children for adoption to homosexual couples.

Homosexual “marriage” infringes on freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Pastors
and priests may get exemptions from officiating at homosexual “marriages”, but there will
be no exemptions for florists, bakers, reception hall owners and others who have
conscientious objections to being involved in such ceremonies.

I can’t help thinking that much of the militancy of the feminist and homosexual lobbyists is
motivated by the ‘politics of envy’. They envy the stability and happiness of many married
couples with children (that “white picket fence” syndrome) but feel they do not have the
self-discipline to achieve that for themselves, so they want to tear down the institution.
Code:
In his annual address to ambassadors to the Vatican on January 9, 2012, Pope Benedict
XVI spoke of “the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman,” noting that it “is
not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society.” He
added: “Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the
future of humanity itself…”
Code:
Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott are to be commended
for their opposition to homosexual marriage.

**Babette Francis **is the National & Overseas Co-ordinator of Endeavour Forum Inc., an NGO having special consultative status with
the Economic & Social Council of the UN
 
Just one more propaganda website
Really?

This is “propaganda”? Why don’t you tell us which part of God’s design is “propaganda”?
However, homosexual couples are not “equal” to heterosexual couples, any more than a female footballer is equal to a male footballer. They are different,and the difference between homosexual and heterosexual couples is of far more significance than the differences between sportsmen and sportswomen.
In His plan for humankind, God made human beings in two kinds, male and female with
very clear differences, not only physical but psychological, and most importantly, in
reproductive roles for the continuation of our species. Feminists, the homosexual lobby
and the so-called “progressives” (who are really backward thinking people who would in
linguistic terms reduce humankind to asexual amoeba) have a real grudge against the
Almighty (that is when they acknowledge His existence at all) about His creative “mistake”. They have been trying to deny and expunge sex differences for the past halfcentury. Hence the demand that terms like “mother” and “father” be eliminated in documents relating to children and replaced by “Parent l” and “Parent 2”.
But such parental documentation is based on lies because it needs a man and woman to
produce a child, and the main purpose of marriage as recognised by the state, as well as
religious organisations, is to provide a stable institution for the rearing of children. At least
one of the “parents” in homosexual couples is not the biological parent of the child/children in that household, and that child/children will be denied the right to be raised by a mother or a father.
Addressing karoleck now :),

The business about the altering of language is not an exaggeration, but is also well documented. Both homosexual lobbyists and “feminist” lobbyists have sought the elimination of gender-specific possessive pronouns (“her,” “his”). Demonstrating their profound ignorance, some have laughably also tried to change “history” to “herstory,” despite the absence of personal pronouns in the etymology of that word.
 
If you are claiming your Catholic marriage is devalued by Secular marriage, then your marriage must be very devalued after Elizabeth Taylor’s 8 marriages and Britney Spears’ 48 hour marriage. I fail to see how same-sex marriage can possibly devalue it more than that.

I personally will keep my marriage strong, and love my wife for what she is rather than comparing my love to the average joe off the street who can get a secular marriage in 2 hours in Vegas.

I feel sorry for your marriage, that it is so weak it would be devalued by something like same-sex secular marriage.
 
Really? This is “propaganda”? Why don’t you tell us which part of God’s design is "propaganda
When you compare similar tactics that have been used against people of different nationalities, races, ethnic origins, and other “outside” groups, it is easy to see that the referenced website is propaganda. You are confusing God’s Plan with rhetoric meant to create fear and anxiety and scapegoat a group of people for the ills of an already corrupt and decrepit society. That is fear mongering, not evangelization. Surely you will have the decency to acknowledge this. 🤷
 
Just one more propaganda website wanting to scapegoat a segment of the population for ruining marriage and society, oh yeah man, that’s really “great.” Crime, drug addiction, pornography, child abuse, etc, etc, continue as divorce rips apart our families, yet we continue the game that it is always someone else’s fault. I half expect you to call in the Gestapo!
You are right Eugenius. Crime, drug addiction, pornography, child abuse, no-fault divorce, etc etc are indeed ruining society and the institution of marriage. You keep posting this same message on every single homosexuality thread that pops up. You seem to forget that because several evils already exist, that is no reason to condone another one. Why is it that you don’t open new threads on these other topics and discuss ways the problems that beset society can be rectified?
If you are claiming your Catholic marriage is devalued by Secular marriage, then your marriage must be very devalued after Elizabeth Taylor’s 8 marriages and Britney Spears’ 48 hour marriage. I fail to see how same-sex marriage can possibly devalue it more than that.

I personally will keep my marriage strong, and love my wife for what she is rather than comparing my love to the average joe off the street who can get a secular marriage in 2 hours in Vegas.

I feel sorry for your marriage, that it is so weak it would be devalued by something like same-sex secular marriage.
Both you and Eugenius should read a paper by Oxford legal philosopher John Finnis. It was delivered in the American Journal of Jurisprudence in 1997.

In it he writes of how marriage and procreation have always been inextricably linked. However, things have been allowed within society which have broken that linkage. In doing so, the reasons for marriage have been devalued and the social good that has always come from the institution of marriage is being lost. That being the case, then marriage is being rendered meaningless.

For you to write that same sex marriage will not affect your marriage is a shallow take on the underlying principles that are at stake. Euegenius is right, because the things he has listed as tearing our societies aprt are the very things that have undermined the social good that is supposed to emanate from the instituion of marriage. Your marriage might not* seem *to you that it has been affected, but it has been and it will be even more should same sex marriage become universal. And yes, Elizabeth taylor’s 8 marriages and britney Spears 48 hour marriage have indeed cheapened the institution you so bravely defend by referencing your own marriage.

John Finnis also wrote a 2008 paper fo the Notre Dame Law School called Marriage: A Basic and Exigent Good. It is the heterosexual nature of marriage that gives the institution of marriage its distinctive and obvious public good.
 
No I will not(though that organization was full of same sex attraction males of the masochistic type!) But I will use reason instead—read on----
I consider most of the excerpt you quoted to be psychobabble. I could care less about male and female footballers. They have nothing to do with trying to scapegoat a group of peole for societies failures.
 
You are right Eugenius. Crime, drug addiction, pornography, child abuse, no-fault divorce, etc etc are indeed ruining society and the institution of marriage. You keep posting this same message on every single homosexuality thread that pops up. You seem to forget that because several evils already exist, that is no reason to condone another one. Why is it that you don’t open new threads on these other topics and discuss ways the problems that beset society can be rectified?
I don’t bring up these issues to condone anything, rather to bring some perspective and balance to the discussion. If someone read only the anti-gay rhetoric they would be led to believe that homosexuals are responsible for all the ills of society, which of course is not true. I think people are placing more importance on civil marriage, with its benefits of insurance, inheritance, visitation, etc., than they really do on sacramental marriage. You could take away all the civil benefits and would still have sacramental marriage, which is about men and women joining to procreate, not about “recognition.” This does not “devalue” marriage or make it “meaningless” as the quote in your response asserted. We need to make sure we are really focused on God’s Plan and not more concerned about our worldly possessions, status, benefits and rights being taken away.
 
I don’t bring up these issues to condone anything, rather to bring some perspective and balance to the discussion. If someone read only the anti-gay rhetoric they would be led to believe that homosexuals are responsible for all the ills of society, which of course is not true. I think people are placing more importance on civil marriage, with its benefits of insurance, inheritance, visitation, etc., than they really do on sacramental marriage. You could take away all the civil benefits and would still have sacramental marriage, which is about men and women joining to procreate, not about “recognition.” This does not “devalue” marriage or make it “meaningless” as the quote in your response asserted. We need to make sure we are really focused on God’s Plan and not more concerned about our worldly possessions, status, benefits and rights being taken away.
Look, I and probably many others don’t disagree with what you say. Except for one point. That point is the devaluing of marriage as an institution. No-fault divorce, pornography, etc have all done their bit to devalue marriage as an institution. That devaluing can be measured roughly by the divorce rates and by the quicky marriages and divorces others bring to our attention. The point of what Finnis and others are arguing, myself included, is that the allowance of homosexual ‘marriage’ is yet another brick pulled from the wall that is traditional marriage. Too many bricks have already been pulled out and the entire edifice is in danger of collapsing.

These homosexual threads that keep popping up are usually because someone is trying to justify homosexual marriage and naturally the posts and answers are going to focus on that specific topic. That doesn’t mean people don’t recognise the other ills that beset marriage and society. All it means is that these things seem to be dealt with one topic at a time. Maybe you should consider starting a thread that covers all the problems that are destroying marriage, the family and society itself. Most people sem to recognise it is happening, yet fail to see how a stance in favour of some perceived ‘right’ is hastening the downfall.
 
You are confusing God’s Plan with rhetoric …
I am neither “confusing” anything, nor am I confused.

It’s very simple:
The website describes accurately the devolution of language and the manipulation of terms for the purpose of constructing an alternative society in which the fulcrum of social institutions is constantly in flux. In other words, they encourage instability in a radical way that divorce, crime, etc. do not come close to achieving. Propagandists for gay marriage actively seek the radical, fundamental re-ordering of all that is essential about the family unit, and they seek it not temporarily but permanently.

They seek actively to confuse others.
Surely you will have the decency to acknowledge this. 🤷
I never “acknowledge” what is patently untrue. To do so is dishonest.

Have a nice day.
 
For you to write that same sex marriage will not affect your marriage is a shallow take on the underlying principles that are at stake. Euegenius is right, because the things he has listed as tearing our societies aprt are the very things that have undermined the social good that is supposed to emanate from the instituion of marriage. Your marriage might not seem to you that it has been affected, but it has been and it will be even more should same sex marriage become universal. And yes, Elizabeth taylor’s 8 marriages and britney Spears 48 hour marriage have indeed cheapened the institution you so bravely defend by referencing your own marriage.
I’m sorry, let me re-iterate.
My marriage was performed by a priest. It is a religious ceremony. It has absolutely nothing in common with the legal process performed by a justice of the peace which is also called marriage.

Your claim is that any event which is called “marriage” by any person on earth is the same as any other marriage. In this case, marriage is already worthless, as people have claimed to marry trees, cars, and cartoon characters. Anyone on earth can claim to be married to anyone or anything. I can act as a “minister” and “marry” my friend to his front lawn if he so desires. Since there is no way to make this illegal (as long as my friend does not try to get legal benefits for marrying his lawn, of course) then marriage always has been and always will be worthless.

Luckily, this is NOT the case. All marriages are not equal. There are religious marriages and secular marriages. Being married in a Catholic Church, our marriage is compared to anyone else who is married in the Catholic Church. Since the Catholic Church vetts all potential marriage candidates beforehand, this means most Catholic marriages are relatively strong.

You and John Finnis have the OPINION that Catholic Marriage and secular marriage have something in common. I have the OPINION that they have nothing in common. One is a religious ceremony tied to love and procreation, the other is legal paperwork. You seem to have confused Mr. Finiss’ opinion on the matter as fact rather than opinion.
I personally am deeply offended that you and John Finnis are cheapening the Sacrament of Catholic Marriage by comparing it to ANY civil marriage, be it heterosexual or homosexual. My marriage is a religious union in the eyes of god, not a legal paper in the eyes of some worthless government. I simply reject your opinion, and the opinion of John Finnis, that my marriage compares to a secular marriage in any way.

Also, since you believe that same-sex marriage will devalue all marriages, you are making the case that elizabeth taylor’s 8 marriages and Britney’s 48 hour marriage have some value to begin with. I would make the case that they have no value whatsoever, and therefore all value has already been taken out of secular marriage, and therefore allowing same-sex marriage changes nothing. For you to say otherwise means you feel there is SOME value to Elizabeth Taylor and Britney’s marriages, and I would love to hear your argument explaining that.

I see a recurring theme among Catholics. Some Catholic puts his opinion in a book, and Catholics assume this opinion is a fact. It is not. Both of the works you cited are opinions, not facts, and therefore no one has even the slightest obligation to agree with them.
 
Also, since you believe that same-sex marriage will devalue all marriages…
Your Church believes that same-sex “marriage” violates the Order of the universe and devalutes all marriages.

Please learn your faith.
Here’s a concept: Read the Papal Encyclicals and U.S. Bishops’ documents on the issue. Those are not OPINIONS (to use your favorite all-capital style), but setlled moral doctrine.
 
I am neither “confusing” anything, nor am I confused.

It’s very simple:
The website describes accurately the devolution of language and the manipulation of terms for the purpose of constructing an alternative society in which the fulcrum of social institutions is constantly in flux. In other words, they encourage instability in a radical way that divorce, crime, etc. do not come close to achieving. Propagandists for gay marriage actively seek the radical, fundamental re-ordering of all that is essential about the family unit, and they seek it not temporarily but permanently.

They seek actively to confuse others.

I never “acknowledge” what is patently untrue. To do so is dishonest.

Have a nice day.
If you really take these arguments at face value they share the same tactics that have been used against Jews, People of Color, Catholics, etc., at different times throughout history. These arguments prey on the fear that society is going to fall apart if XX happens or if one more brick falls out of the wall. The fact that you are unable to see this is troublesome. I would expect a certain level of detached objectivity.
 
If you really take these arguments at face value they share the same tactics that have been used against Jews, People of Color, Catholics, etc., at different times throughout history. These arguments prey on the fear that society is going to fall apart if XX happens or if one more brick falls out of the wall.
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The act of critical reading involves not twisting arguments with a personal political bias, but reading them for their literal and implied content. It includes not generalizing outside of the text to make assumptions about the nature of those arguments which is not indicated within the text itself. It includes not making inappropriate connections – inserting external rhetoric into a passage – all of which you have done. Therefore,
The fact that you are unable to see this is troublesome. I would expect a certain level of detached objectivity.
 
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