Changing the melodies

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I was just wondering if any elses parish just changed the melodies for the kyria and the gloria etc. The whole Church was confused, it seems they do this once a year. Its no wonder people don’t sing when they don’t know the tune? Now I can’t focus on the words because I’m trying to learn a new melody :confused:
 
the are lots of approved melodies for these parts of the Mass, sometimes tied to the liturgical season. Usually when a new version is introduced, the cantor practices with the congregation for a few minutes before Mass, for 2-3 weeks before the new version will be used during Mass. It gets kind of boring when the same versions are sung week after week, year after year. the 10:30 Mass at my former parish used the same gloria for the 11 years we went there, frankly I don’t care if I never hear it again.
 
Many times a parish will change the tunes that are used to reflect the difference in seasons. They have specific ones that are only used during ordinary time, lent, Easter, etc. It is a nice way to add some variety and maintaining some distinction between the different seasons.
 
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the are lots of approved melodies for these parts of the Mass, sometimes tied to the liturgical season. Usually when a new version is introduced, the cantor practices with the congregation for a few minutes before Mass, for 2-3 weeks before the new version will be used during Mass. It gets kind of boring when the same versions are sung week after week, year after year. the 10:30 Mass at my former parish used the same gloria for the 11 years we went there, frankly I don’t care if I never hear it again.
How does one find out what the approved melodies are? We recently (about 2 months ago) changed the one we use for the Gloria, and it is quite jarring to hear. It is not at all melodious. It also had a refrain added throughout, and the whole congregation was thrown the first couple of times it was sung. For the life of me, I cannot remember the refrain, though. Th refrain was not sung yesterday, so maybe someone realized it should not have been included in the first place.
 
Somebody changed the melody for “O Salutoris Hostia” during benediction the other day. I didn’t even know there was another melody. Threw the whole congregation off.

How irritating. :mad:
 
Our parish has a bunch of different melodies we have accumulated over the years. Also, it varies by the season of the year. Every so often we bounce back to an old one. I agree, when I go to a strange parish, I often don’t recognize the melody of their version of the Gloria. However, every so often I go to a parish and hear one of my old favorites. 🙂 You never know.

Dr. Bombay,

I couldn’t recite the words without the right melody! Actually, a few months ago I got thrown for a loop on a latin song with the wrong melody, and I do think it was at exposition or benediction. Hmm. A conspiracy, most definitely.😃
 
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I couldn’t recite the words without the right melody! Actually, a few months ago I got thrown for a loop on a latin song with the wrong melody, and I do think it was at exposition or benediction. Hmm. A conspiracy, most definitely.😃
or if not a conspiracy, an indication of our general lack of education and familiarity with the long tradition of sacred and liturgical music in our Church. as a child and teen I knew easily 2-3 melodies for each of the several Eucharistic hymns, and at least 3 if not more Latin Mass settings for the various liturgical seasons. You could tell it was the first Sunday of Advent not only by the abscence of the Gloria but because the “tunes” for the other sung parts were different.

Even now, when I look over the hymns suggested in the LOTH I find old friends, and realize many of them can be sung to any of a number of melodies. I used to be able to recognize the right melody by the name of the “tune” given in the missalette or hymnal–Llanfair, Saint Catherine, Adoro Te, Kings Weston, Diademata, Sine Nomine, Grosser Gott, Old 100th etc. Alas, no more, because I have not heard most of these in at least 35 years, and my children have probably never heard them. We have been kept too busy learning the contrived deliberately un-melodic pop-style renditions of David Haas, Marty Haugen et. al.
 
How does one find out what the approved melodies are?
In general, the music must be approved by the USCCB for use at mass. However, many parishes/musicians/etc. use the philosophy that if it is in a hymnal or published by a"church" music compnay it is OK! Sadly, that is how we get so many questionable, or even downright heretical songs being played in Catholic churches. And as always with music, what one person likes, another will hate passionately. Unfortunelty, I do not know if the USCCB approves the words only, or if they actually approve the music. Does anyone out there know?
 
The practice of changing melodies is distracting and unnecessary at the very least. However, in almost every case I find it to be counterproductive and outright repugnant.

There is at least one parish near me that seems to have their own unique melody for every portion of the Mass that is sung in every season, except the Opening, Closing, and Communion Hymns, which (of course) come from the OCP Hymnal!

It is so bad that some words get changed while others get repeated over and over again for effect. Nothing is spared this disgrace…not the Gloria, not the Gospel Acclamation, not the Sanctus, not the Agnus Dei, not even the Amen acclamation following the Consecration. But, the “nave” of this parish is auditorium/stadium style (although there are kneelers:) ) so perhaps those responsible feel that the music should be more uplifting and catchy like in a Broadway performance…I just do not understand!
 
The practice of changing melodies is distracting and unnecessary at the very least. However, in almost every case I find it to be counterproductive and outright repugnant.

I guess we are just different. You find it repugnant. I find keeping the same melodies to be wearisome. The litugical reasons for keeping or changing melodies should trump the feelings of both of us.
 
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I guess we are just different. You find it repugnant. I find keeping the same melodies to be wearisome. The litugical reasons for keeping or changing melodies should trump the feelings of both of us.
Perhaps I have just never heard any “good” new melodies. I certainly appreciate the efforts made by the composers to do something for the glory of God in their own unique way. To an extent I even regret describing the fruits of their effort with words like “repugnant”. However, I just feel that the Holy Mass is the wrong place for such experimentation.
 
TAS2000-"In general, the music must be approved by the USCCB for use at mass. However, many parishes/musicians/etc. use the philosophy that if it is in a hymnal or published by a"church" music compnay it is OK! Sadly, that is how we get so many questionable, or even downright heretical songs being played in Catholic churches. And as always with music, what one person likes, another will hate passionately. Unfortunelty, I do not know if the USCCB approves the words only, or if they actually approve the music. Does anyone out there know?"

Hi folks, I generally don’t post here, but this is a very good question. Having been a RC music director for 3.5 decades I believe this analogy guides my own choices of when, why and how should mass settings be changed or implemented. Succinctly put: if we gather at a birthday party, do we change or improvise the melody of “Happy Birthday?” (In English-speaking USA) So, as that is the simplest philosophical template, I will opt to use successful settings of the ordinaries/acclamations for years, not just seasons or months, years. However, one must recognize when certain settings have reached (pardon the pun) their sunset. For example-the ubiquitous St. Louis Jesuit “mass” (really a conglomerate) has musically become quite dated. By contrast, IMHO, the Bob Hurd “Roll Down the Ages” eucharistic acclamations have a timeless musical aesthetic to my tastes, and we’ve been singing them for, oh, ten or so years. Another “new” worthy setting, Richard Proulx’s Missa Oecumenica, has been sung without change for about 4 years in my parish.

To comment upon TAS’s post: The only aspects of liturgical propriety the USCCB oversees are the texts of the ordinaries; and actually that information was more or less disseminated unofficially over the net. What I imagine is that all the major publishers (even those beyond the BIG 3) editorial reviewers check for verbatim settings of the latest approved text revisions before proceeding to review the music for publication. For example, I would imagine that should a revision of the “memorial acclamation” of the Eucharistic Prayer is approved, we’ll see a host of editorial revisions in a whole lot of missals/hymnals/worship aides. Outside of that, publishers need only to receive the imprimatur of the local bishop for “official accreditation.”
As TAS mentions, issues of taste often dictate what happens at the parish level, the diocesan level (if the local bishop even cares,) and at the national level among those who decide the content of their “hymnals.” Taste is, to some extent, what drives the market place along with trends and promotion. This is a reality that has both blessings and curses attached. What really matters is that there ought to be some person at each parish with some credentials (whatever they be) assigned to distinguish the “wheat” from the “chaff.” And, despite what popularity the movement to re-constitute the “sacred” among all liturgies by prescribing a predominant diet of Gregorian plainsong/polyphony and stolid, orthodox hymnody, there are beautiful new works of music in all styles being composed in this generation that should take their place generations down the road in our enduring traditions.
 
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puzzleannie:
or if not a conspiracy, an indication of our general lack of education and familiarity with the long tradition of sacred and liturgical music in our Church. as a child and teen I knew easily 2-3 melodies for each of the several Eucharistic hymns, and at least 3 if not more Latin Mass settings for the various liturgical seasons.
Yes, I used to sing Latin in choir and I miss it very much! I knew a number of different setting for the mass. Sometimes I sing a phrase or two to myself at home, to, oh, I don’t know, praise God maybe? Like, Glory to God in the highest!

I know it isn’t a conspiracy :), but it is sad that we lack familiarity with so much traditional music. I can no longer sing the Gloria through in Latin. I absolutely loved singing the Gloria in Latin. The music was so beautiful!
 
There are many melodies for *O Salutaris *and Tantum Ergo; there are no “proper” ones.
 
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