I have all of those in actual book form except the CEV, which I only have the online version. I also have the NRSV-CE and NASB in book form. I do have lots of Bibles.Thank you. Gee, do you have a copy of all those versions?? :clapping:
What happened is a moderator combined your threads when you weren’t looking.I am not sure what happened… I meant to put the other, similar post in another forum and somehow my brain short-circuited… Its been known to do that…
Anyway, i am going to read your Post again because i am not sure i understand it completely… I hope it indicates that the probelm is not as big as i first thought…
They do that sometimes. It sometimes makes the responses seem jumbled. My two posts came from different threads of yours.The two “you” are plural in meaning in that era of English. The thee, thy, and thou only refer to one person, you singular. My post to you was also talking about the Greek itself. In the Greek text itself, I looked up the words. The you are plural in verse 31 and are singular in verse 32 in the Greek itself.
I know, I probably made it worse. I usually do when long-winded.
Just wondering why you have all the Bibles? Do you study different versions, etc.? Just curious…
No, actually, i understand it now. It does seem to somewhat take away from the Peter as 1st Pope doctrine… but not by much… Only a Protestant would whole-heartedly think so…What happened is a moderator combined your threads when you weren’t looking.
I think you might well be satisfied after you carefully read all the responses here. I think the translation is trying to *preserve *the idea that Jesus had a special point to make to Peter alone. Let me elaborate on what I said.
First, did you know that in the type of English that is used in the Douay-Rheims bible (an older Catholic bible), the word “you” is plural, and means “you all” or more than one you, whereas the word “thee” means only one person. The word “thee” in modern English is now said by “you”. In other words, the word “you” now covers the meaning that was previously covered by more words.
Watch in an older version how the English switches:
The two “you” are plural in meaning in that era of English. The thee, thy, and thou only refer to one person, you singular. My post to you was also talking about the Greek itself. In the Greek text itself, I looked up the words. The you are plural in verse 31 and are singular in verse 32 in the Greek itself.
This is why I think the new translation that you heard is trying to use the phrase “all of you” for the you in verse 31. This is trying to say that that particular you is plural, and thus the you that follows in verse 32 is singular, so it must refer to Peter only. They are trying to preserve the meaning. They are trying to indicate that Jesus prayed that Peter’s faith specifically not fail so that Peter could strengthen the others. Here is the NAB:
I know, I probably made it worse. I usually do when long-winded.
Many of us own different Bible translations, both Catholic and Protestant. and even multiple copies of the same translation. Personally, I have the RSV-CE, RSV-Second CE, NRSV, Good News Bible, Christian Community Bible, KJV, NIV, NAB, Greek New Testament, and computer-based editions of the Douay-Rheims, Septuagint, and Hebrew Old Testament (I’m no good at the Hebrew though).
Are you Catholic??
Yes, very much so. Why?Are you Catholic??
Yes. I like to study different translations and compare them. I belong to a Bible study at my parish, and I like to use the different translations to compare for my homework. I also like having Protestant translations to use with doing apologetics with Protestants. It works well when I can show them what it says in their Bible and then use their Bible to give Catholic interpretations. I also like to read the Bible all the way through at least once a year, and I usually use different translations for this. If I am reading a Protestant translation, I will read the Deuterocanonicals in a Catholic translation (unless I am reading my 1611 KJV reprint which has them).
With respect, I think you are reading too much into it. Catholic doctrine of Peter’s Primacy amongst the Apostles and Papal primacy amongst the bishops does not rest on that particular scripture passage in any way, therefore, it does not take anything away from that doctrine. Further as the Greek and the Latin text both use the plural version of you, it makes it clear that the you in question was not just you Peter, but you the Apostles. Therefore adding all in simply a clarification in the English.No, actually, i understand it now. It does seem to somewhat take away from the Peter as 1st Pope doctrine… but not by much… Only a Protestant would whole-heartedly think so…
i wish i had that kind of ambition. I tried to read the Bible all t he way through once and got as far as… hmmm… i think it was Samuel or something. I have read the NT a couple of times.
That’s pretty good! I usually bog down about half way through the Book of Leviticus.i wish i had that kind of ambition. I tried to read the Bible all t he way through once and got as far as… hmmm… i think it was Samuel or something. I have read the NT a couple of times.
I guess God has me focused on o ther things… God and/or the devil, actually…
Actaully - what am i thinking about??? I have HEARD the Bible several times over because, as you may know, if a person goes to daily Mass & Sunday Mass for 3 years, he/she will hear the enitre Bible…That’s pretty good! I usually bog down about half way through the Book of Leviticus.
I have read the whole Bible, but I have never been able to sit down and read it through from cover to cover. I find that I have to take it in pieces, and I need to be able to understand what I’m reading, which makes it slow going when I start coming to long lists. It’s very interesting, of course, but I always need to know, “Okay, who was that?” or “Why is he telling them to do all this stuff?”
) but i don’t know if reading the Bible at home is such a great idea. OK, maybe the NT is a different story… but this weird thing happened to me about a yr. ago. I started r eading something in the OT and i didn’t understand it. I think it was one of those things u referred to… i remember thinking: "This doesn’t sound like God… God is love… (etc.). Ashamed to admit this, but felt i was losing my faith… felt very confused, even afraid… for a few minutes.
I don’t read it in the order it is in. I’ll save Leviticus and Numbers for later and skim over the geneologies and lists of laws. I just make a little chart and pick books and mark them off when I have read them. So I will read the whole Bible in a year but not in order. Leviticus and Numbers right after each other would be too much for me.:yawn:That’s pretty good! I usually bog down about half way through the Book of Leviticus.
I have read the whole Bible, but I have never been able to sit down and read it through from cover to cover. I find that I have to take it in pieces, and I need to be able to understand what I’m reading, which makes it slow going when I start coming to long lists. It’s very interesting, of course, but I always need to know, “Okay, who was that?” or “Why is he telling them to do all this stuff?”
