Channelers and Authenticity

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I’ve been watching a documentary on channelers, people who claim to be in touch with alien intelligences that supposedly have important messages for humanity.

I’m convinced that almost all of these people are faking it and are just lonely and the channeling is just a ploy for attention. I am open to the possibility that a few are really in touch with devils.

Also I see a few things most of these people have in common.
  • For example, the things these people say in the name of their channeled spirits is always something that common sense says the channeler could know or could think. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a channeler say something in the name of his channeled spirit that could not have been known or thought by the channeler.
  • Also there is a thread of condescension woven into so much of what they say, such as in the phrases “your leaders” or “your scientists” or “your reality” - but this to me sounds like the channeler is faking it, because it sounds just like bad science fiction writing.
  • Also I never hear about reverse-channelers, or people who try to contact alien intelligences in order to give *them *messages from *our *world. It always seems to work one way, from the mysterious spirit world to our world, never the other way around.
  • Also, and this may just be a fluke, but I notice that people who wear glasses usually take them off. I wear thick glasses, and I can tell you that it’s very easy to pretend to be someone else when you can’t see. I also notice that most close their eyes.
  • Many when speaking in the name of their channeled spirits will speak with a different accent or otherwise act a little differently, but to me, who grew up with some of these accents, the accents sound like they were learned from TV, and sound like what “British” sounds like to an American, or what you’d get in a high school production of a Shakespeare play. In fact, one channeler while speaking in the name of her channeled spirit, while speaking in a “British” accent, said a few things that you would only hear an American say, like “arright?” (“all right?”, used rhetorically to confirm agreement with an interlocutor), and “…or whatever” at the end of a list of examples.
  • On the whole when I listen to extended recitations spoken in the name of a channeled spirit, I get a sense I am listening to someone talking to himself, a verbose, stream-of-consciousness monologue that doesn’t seem to have much real content or hard information. And when it’s over, I can’t say what exactly it was all about. And I have learned that if I can;'t summarize something, then either I wasn’t paying attention, or there was nothing to pay attentio to! By contrast, when I read the Sermon on the Mount for example, or Romans, I see how each sentence has content, is well-put, and is not part of a rambling tangent. But on the whole, when I consider these utterances on a sentence-by-sentence basis, I notice that each sentence is typically a commentary on or restatement of the one before it, as if the discourse really is just a stream-of-consciousness monologue originating with the channeler himself.
  • When channelers speak in their own name about their channeling practices, they seem not to have any shame or embarrassment about it, even though objectively it’s weird.
  • They also claim to know things revealed to them by these spirits, but after a channeling session they act like they have no memory of what just happened.
  • Finally, they all seem to be middle class and live in nice houses.
Each of these observations can be explained away, and I’m sure all their followers are experts at explaining them away, but I don’t buy any of it.

Is there a simple way the average person can tell quickly if a given channeler is a charlatan? Some things to point out to other people who are at risk of being taken in?
 
I’ve been watching a documentary on channelers, people who claim to be in touch with alien intelligences that supposedly have important messages for humanity.

I’m convinced that almost all of these people are faking it and are just lonely and the channeling is just a ploy for attention. I am open to the possibility that a few are really in touch with devils.

Also I see a few things most of these people have in common.
  • For example, the things these people say in the name of their channeled spirits is always something that common sense says the channeler could know or could think. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a channeler say something in the name of his channeled spirit that could not have been known or thought by the channeler.
  • Also there is a thread of condescension woven into so much of what they say, such as in the phrases “your leaders” or “your scientists” or “your reality” - but this to me sounds like the channeler is faking it, because it sounds just like bad science fiction writing.
  • Also I never hear about reverse-channelers, or people who try to contact alien intelligences in order to give *them *messages from *our *world. It always seems to work one way, from the mysterious spirit world to our world, never the other way around.
  • Also, and this may just be a fluke, but I notice that people who wear glasses usually take them off. I wear thick glasses, and I can tell you that it’s very easy to pretend to be someone else when you can’t see. I also notice that most close their eyes.
  • Many when speaking in the name of their channeled spirits will speak with a different accent or otherwise act a little differently, but to me, who grew up with some of these accents, the accents sound like they were learned from TV, and sound like what “British” sounds like to an American, or what you’d get in a high school production of a Shakespeare play. In fact, one channeler while speaking in the name of her channeled spirit, while speaking in a “British” accent, said a few things that you would only hear an American say, like “arright?” (“all right?”, used rhetorically to confirm agreement with an interlocutor), and “…or whatever” at the end of a list of examples.
  • On the whole when I listen to extended recitations spoken in the name of a channeled spirit, I get a sense I am listening to someone talking to himself, a verbose, stream-of-consciousness monologue that doesn’t seem to have much real content or hard information. And when it’s over, I can’t say what exactly it was all about. And I have learned that if I can;'t summarize something, then either I wasn’t paying attention, or there was nothing to pay attentio to! By contrast, when I read the Sermon on the Mount for example, or Romans, I see how each sentence has content, is well-put, and is not part of a rambling tangent. But on the whole, when I consider these utterances on a sentence-by-sentence basis, I notice that each sentence is typically a commentary on or restatement of the one before it, as if the discourse really is just a stream-of-consciousness monologue originating with the channeler himself.
  • When channelers speak in their own name about their channeling practices, they seem not to have any shame or embarrassment about it, even though objectively it’s weird.
  • They also claim to know things revealed to them by these spirits, but after a channeling session they act like they have no memory of what just happened.
  • Finally, they all seem to be middle class and live in nice houses.
Each of these observations can be explained away, and I’m sure all their followers are experts at explaining them away, but I don’t buy any of it.

Is there a simple way the average person can tell quickly if a given channeler is a charlatan? Some things to point out to other people who are at risk of being taken in?
They are all fake.
 
How do you know this?
That’s partly what I’m asking. Lets say some are fake. What easily observed phenomena are trustworthy marks of fakery? I listed in great detail a number of observations that strike me as fairly sure signs that someone is faking it. A failed prophecy is of course the gold standard and is even suggested in scripture itself as a test, but practical problems include convenient ambiguity or intrinsic likelihood in the prophecy itself. For example a channeler in the name of his spirit may prophecy something on the order of “Lo, there shall be a visible and enduring sign in this place, starting on such and such a day, that shall testify that I speak the truth”, and the sign turns out to be the gathering together of thousands of duped followers at that place starting on the designated day and continuing indefinitely into the future. Or again a prophecy that there will be natural disasters or wars, which can reasonably be expected in any case. It’s not practical or seemly to demand test-prophecies from every channeler, so are there other useful indicators that correlate strongly with fakery?
 
How do you know this?
Communication between channelers and aliens???
You are really asking how anyone knows that is fake?
I believe that anyone who gives any credibility to the possibility off humans receiving messages from aliens for humanity is in need of medical help!
 
Communication between channelers and aliens???
You are really asking how anyone knows that is fake?
I believe that anyone who gives any credibility to the possibility off humans receiving messages from aliens for humanity is in need of medical help!
Yes, I am asking how you know that is fake.

Is it because you know that aliens do not exist?
Is it because you know that aliens cannot communicate with people?
Can you please substantiate your claim?
 
I don’t believe that advising people about channelers is wise. The best advice is to stay away. I don’t think they can be sure of the spirits they are channeling. We can acquire wisdom from the Holy Spirit through prayer.
 
The fact that their doctrines are contray to scripture and contray to what Christians believes alone places it in the areas of the devil or flesh. Need not investigate more.

Besides, James Randi did a pretty good job discrediting them on his TV shows and books.
 
Yes, I am asking how you know that is fake.

Is it because you know that aliens do not exist?
Is it because you know that aliens cannot communicate with people?
Can you please substantiate your claim?
All of this is simply silly. I don’t have to refute a baseless claim. The onus is on the other side.
There are no channelers. There are no aliens communicating with us. There have been no alien visitations. There have been no abductions by aliens.
Anyone who thinks some of the above might be true is one can short of a six pack!!
 
I believe that anyone who gives any credibility to the possibility off humans receiving messages from aliens for humanity is in need of medical help!
All of this is simply silly. I don’t have to refute a baseless claim. The onus is on the other side.
There are no channelers. There are no aliens communicating with us. There have been no alien visitations. There have been no abductions by aliens.
Anyone who thinks some of the above might be true is one can short of a six pack!!
Why are insults included in each post?

A Google search of the term Pleiadian yields 476,000 results. There are a lot of people who believe that aliens are being channeled. I believe that some of them are channeling something.
 
A Google search of the term Pleiadian yields 476,000 results. There are a lot of people who believe that aliens are being channeled. I believe that some of them are channeling something.
Actually that makes me think of another way to tell that a channeler is faking it.

I have noticed that people who stubbornly follow charlatans are very persistent and creative at coming up with excuses and exceptions and objections to justify their belief in their charlatans.

For example, if a channeler makes a fatal error such as saying someone’s missing son is dead and his body is near a couple of boulders, but the son turns up alive in the home of a kidnapper, the followers may for example explain it away saying that the channeler is but a fallible vessel and may have misunderstood what the channeled spirits were saying. Or they may say that the channeler had a vision of the boy while he was asleep which can look like death, and point out that there were a couple of big landscaping rocks on either side of the house’s driveway so there’s your boulders.

Most people seem to have common sense, and if someone is going against his own common sense, it’s generally obvious that he’s doing so, because he grasps at excuses for continuing to believe. Now a sensible person can just tell by instinct that another person is “in denial”, as they say, so I conclude that if a sensible person detects denial in a set of followers, then that’s a sign the channeler is a charlatan.

So could we add another sign that someone is a charlatan, namely, that his followers make excuses and explain away what a sensible person would consider signs of fakery?
 
Try this simple exercise: Copy the original post and replace “channeler” with “Catholic”. Now go through point by point and explain why it’s perfectly reasonable for Catholics to be in communication with God but that the notion of being in touch with aliens is completely absurd.
 
Try this simple exercise: Copy the original post and replace “channeler” with “Catholic”. Now go through point by point and explain why it’s perfectly reasonable for Catholics to be in communication with God but that the notion of being in touch with aliens is completely absurd.
Well the parallel isn’t so close. First problem is I’m not talking about the concept of being in touch with aliens as being absurd; I’m talking about how to identify charlatans. Second problem is we eventually come up against the personality of Jesus, and he was an extremely credible character. Channelers by and large are not credible.

Plus, Jesus had some pretty serious miracles to back him up, and I’d say miracles are another sign. But channelers typically don’t deal in miracles, so I’d say the miracle test should be left out of the list.
 
Why are insults included in each post?

A Google search of the term Pleiadian yields 476,000 results. There are a lot of people who believe that aliens are being channeled. I believe that some of them are channeling something.
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