Charismatic Catholic

[Wannano]

I have attended some charismatic protestant services were I witnessed speaking in tonugues, singing in tongues, clapping and verbal confirmations.

I am curious how the charismatic element would fit into the Mass services I have experienced because I can’t see much room for it.

How would I identify a charismatic Catholic in the phone book in order to locate one? I would like to experience it.

 

[Reepicheep]

I doubt you’ll find the words ‘charismatic Catholic’ in the phone book.
I would suggest checking Catholic parish websites. Failing that, google ‘Catholic Charismatic prayer groups’.

As for Charismatic Mass, I’ve been to some. There was praying in tongues and joyful singing.

 

[Hatikvah]

I have attended some charismatic protestant services were I witnessed speaking in tonugues, singing in tongues, clapping and verbal confirmations.

I have, too, at times. To be honest, oftentimes you have to wonder what is false and what is true. There’s some odd things about some of the bigger Charismatic preachers, their teachings, and practices (here are 6): charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/20325-6-really-bad-charismatic-doctrines-we-should-retire

 

[SyroMalankara]

I’m generally weary and skeptical of any unique ‘gifts’ that are self-proclaimed en masse. If one has some such divine charisma, I’d expect they would spend their days in solitude and prayer, attached to a hermitage for support. In addition, I’d further expect that individual to be in total fidelity to the Church, especially the Divine Liturgy (Mass) and the Mysteries (Sacraments). However, there are very few of these kinds of “charismatic” leaders and many, many more of the kind that publicly ‘show off’ their ‘gifts’, gather many followers in an organized and deliberate manner, begin a tax-free enterprise that they or their devotees lead and other questionable practices.

A couple of the legitimate ones are very difficult to reach and don’t publicly seek out attention. Here’s a few that we know about by media:

Father-monk Maxime the Stylite of Katskhi:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384040/Maxime-Meet-monk-lives-life-virtual-solitude-131ft-pillar.html

Father-monk Yakub of the Syriac Church:
youtube.com/watch?v=BMs3Zs6uVE0

Father-monk Lazarus El-Antony of the Coptic Church:
youtu.be/9VjU_505i6E?t=25m15s

 

[Wannano]

I’m generally weary and skeptical of any unique ‘gifts’ that are self-proclaimed en masse. If one has some such divine charisma, I’d expect they would spend their days in solitude and prayer, attached to a hermitage for support. In addition, I’d further expect that individual to be in total fidelity to the Church, especially the Divine Liturgy (Mass) and the Mysteries (Sacraments). However, there are very few of these kinds of “charismatic” leaders and many, many more of the kind that publicly ‘show off’ their ‘gifts’, gather many followers in an organized and deliberate manner, begin a tax-free enterprise that they or their devotees lead and other questionable practices.

A couple of the legitimate ones are very difficult to reach and don’t publicly seek out attention. Here’s a few that we know about by media:

Father-monk Maxime the Stylite of Katskhi:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384040/Maxime-Meet-monk-lives-life-virtual-solitude-131ft-pillar.html

Father-monk Yakub of the Syriac Church:
youtube.com/watch?v=BMs3Zs6uVE0

Father-monk Lazarus El-Antony of the Coptic Church:
youtu.be/9VjU_505i6E?t=25m15s

Very interesting!

 

[Book_Worm]

I have a relative who was a member of a “charismatic Catholic” parish for a while. When I visited her, I attended a service with her. It was probably more than 35 years ago, so I cannot remember if it was a Mass or just a worship service of some kind. Lots of speaking in tongues, spirit-filled dancing and swaying with the spirit during the prayers. What I do remember was finding it hokey and being repelled by it. I also remember there was a lot of hugging and affection for the other members of the community but a coldness bordering on rudeness if you weren’t recognized as being part of the community.

I also remember shaking my head and wondering why these people who had the beauty of the Mass available to them, found it necessary to jazz it up with trite affectations.

 

[grannymh]

I have attended some charismatic protestant services were I witnessed speaking in tonugues, singing in tongues, clapping and verbal confirmations.

I am curious how the charismatic element would fit into the Mass services I have experienced because I can’t see much room for it.

How would I identify a charismatic Catholic in the phone book in order to locate one? I would like to experience it.

Because the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is under the direction of the local Bishop, you can call the local Diocesan Office and ask for the Catholic Charismatic Renewal liaison because you would like to attend a group meeting or a public event. Usually, you will be given a phone number. Or you may be directed to the Diocesan office for spirituality. Often, information about the Catholic Charismatic Renewal will be on the Diocesan website.

This is the link to the National Office for the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. You may find what you are looking for by exploring.

nsc-chariscenter.org/

Catholic Charismatic Prayer groups are normally connected to a specific parish. Thus, including any charismatic element within a special Holy Sacrifice of the Mass has to be approved by the Pastor. Often there are Diocesan guidelines. Pray is what Prayer groups do. At times, charismatic prayer can be substituted for a normal song or a normal prayer time. What is important is that always it is the Mass itself which is primarily important.

 

[ShrodingersCat]

I went to world youth day with a charismatic group. I didn’t really like their style of prayer groups. We had prayer circles, where one person would be prayed over by the rest. If an image popped into your head, it was “inspired” by the Holy Spirit as a message to the person being prayed over. Also, praying in tongues was apparently “letting your tongue loose” and basically just babbling.

Honestly, looking back on it, it’s even more weird than it was at the time. I think if God gives you a gift like that, you will know it. He doesn’t just bestow these gifts on people as soon as they join a charismatic prayer group. I don’t think it’s particularly Catholic.

That was my experience though - it’s possible that other groups are different.

 

[SyroMalankara]

I have a relative who was a member of a “charismatic Catholic” parish for a while. When I visited her, I attended a service with her. It was probably more than 35 years ago, so I cannot remember if it was a Mass or just a worship service of some kind. Lots of speaking in tongues, spirit-filled dancing and swaying with the spirit during the prayers. What I do remember was finding it hokey and being repelled by it. I also remember there was a lot of hugging and affection for the other members of the community but a coldness bordering on rudeness if you weren’t recognized as being part of the community.

I also remember shaking my head and wondering why these people who had the beauty of the Mass available to them, found it necessary to jazz it up with trite affectations.

All I could come up with, studying this both within and outside the Church, is that there was a vacuum in the Latin Rite Church regarding the Holy Spirit. In all the Eastern Churches, there are very specific references to various actions that the Holy Spirit takes within the Liturgy and the Sacrament. I’ve noticed that in both the Pre-V2 and Post-V2 Liturgy of the Latin Rite (excluding the Ordinariate, Mozarabic, Sarum, Ambrosian, and other uses I don’t have familiarity with), the emphasis on the Holy Spirit is very muted - almost all prayers are to the God the Father, through Christ our Savior. There are varying emphasizes in the Canonical Hours and such but these are so rarely prayed publicly/communally that it wouldn’t be widespread. This, I have found, is another shortcoming of relying on the Mass alone, without public or quasi-public preparation through the Canonical Hours.

In addition to this, the “charismatic experience” makes the individual feel special, whereas the communal prayers are always focused corporately on all present (including those present invisibly - the Saints, the Angels, and our dearly departed). While we are “all special”, no one is “more special”.

 

[grannymh]

I went to world youth day with a charismatic group. I didn’t really like their style of prayer groups. We had prayer circles, where one person would be prayed over by the rest. If an image popped into your head, it was “inspired” by the Holy Spirit as a message to the person being prayed over. Also, praying in tongues was apparently “letting your tongue loose” and basically just babbling.

Honestly, looking back on it, it’s even more weird than it was at the time. I think if God gives you a gift like that, you will know it. He doesn’t just bestow these gifts on people as soon as they join a charismatic prayer group. I don’t think it’s particularly Catholic.

That was my experience though - it’s possible that other groups are different.

Yes, other groups are different; though “charismatic” groups will pray to God in Tongues and in the vernacular.

 

[MaryHelp777]

I have attended some charismatic protestant services were I witnessed speaking in tonugues, singing in tongues, clapping and verbal confirmations.

I am curious how the charismatic element would fit into the Mass services I have experienced because I can’t see much room for it.

How would I identify a charismatic Catholic in the phone book in order to locate one? I would like to experience it.

Pope Benedict expressed that he wished the catholic.charismatic renewal would become a natural part of every parish and of faith formation.

Pope Francis was head of the catholic charismatic renewal when he was bishop in Argentina.

All the Popes have approved the catholic charismatic renewal and it’s charisms. And have said of the charismatic renewals charisms: “Use your charisms. Charisms are for the building up of the church.”

The last three Popes and current Pope have been having an international charismatic mass in the Vatican each year for the last few years.

The charisms are biblical, tongues, prophecy, healing, etc… Jesus promised His believers would speak in other tongues, cast out demons, heal the sick.
St Paul rightfully says in the Bible, “Love is the greatest of all these.”
Hence the more ordinary gifts are even more important. Not everyone has the same gift. But love is more important than tongues, prophecy, healing etc…

Yes, like anything where there are human beings, their will he human errors, so there are catholic Charismatics who are not the genuine article, just as there are catholic charismatic who are genuinely being used by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said, “By their fruits shall you know them.”

But as the Popes and Catechism say, “These extraordinary charisms are of the Holy Spirit for the building up of the church”

We are in difficult times, and that is why God is sending us the Holy Spirit powerfully, for.the Bible says, “Where sin abounded, grace abounded all the more.”

“i will pour out My Spirit in the latter days in a way that has not been seen before. Your old men will dream visions and your young men will prophecy.”

 

[MaryHelp777]

peterkreeft.com/charismatic-gifts_resources.htm

 

[MaryHelp777]

History of the catholic charismatic renewal and the Popes approval of it:

youtube.com/watch?v=J-QDOcDGDWA&list=PLVnh-RJrG2kV-eo-6ByPYmjFCy0Yht3Dr&index=6

 

[MaryHelp777]

In a Catholic Charismatic mass:

There is usually praise hymns before mass. Confession will be available usually prior to, and after mass. Sometimes a lay evangelist or charismatic priest will say the rosary with everyone and then speak a brief talk. The Holy Spirit might give them different words of knowledge such as that Jesus is healing someone of a cancer in the Congregation, or that someone in the Congregation has been away from confession for 22 years and needs to confess, etc…

Then mass with some praise hymns. Then adoration after mass with maybe the Divine Mercy and prayers of intercession. Afterwards a healing service, which may include anointing of the sick, and prayer over anyone who comes up for intercession to the charismatic priest or charismatic layperson (who has the charism of intercessory healing).

A charismatic mass is the same as ordinary mass. Only before and after it there are prayers of intercession with confession, talks, praise hymns, adoration, healing service: laying on of hands on anyone who requests prayer (sick people etc…)

 

[Lenten_ashes]

My parish is Charismatic.

But not all Masses they have are charismatic. You wont see speaking in tongues during a Mass unless it’s a healing Mass…and BTW, those can run for hours as each person is prayed over by a elder and the Priest anoints you with oil. Then, finally, you have testimonies of anyone who noticed a healing during the Mass.

Healing Mass is very similar to some Charismatic Protestant type services I have been to. A lot of praise, singing and great worship.

I agree with whoever said contact your local diocese. They should be able to tell you which Parish is charismatic. From there, contact the Church and find out when the Healing Masses are. Don’t want to confuse you but they may have “Charismatic Masses” but those are mild in comparison to a healing Mass…it’s basically just some evangelical type modern music spliced into those Masses. Healing Mass is where you get the complete picture.

Pax

 

[MaryHelp777]

I have attended some charismatic protestant services were I witnessed speaking in tonugues, singing in tongues, clapping and verbal confirmations.

I am curious how the charismatic element would fit into the Mass services I have experienced because I can’t see much room for it.

How would I identify a charismatic Catholic in the phone book in order to locate one? I would like to experience it.

Google “Catholic charismatic renewal” in your area, local hometowns and in your state.
This should bring up some catholic charismatic prayer groups and should let you email of phone them or their prayer groups leaders who will point you in the correct direction.

Each state or country also has regular catholic charismatic retreats, days and healing masses advertised on their website, and usually a big massive national retreat weekend with famous speakers in a big stadium or hall each year,

If you find a local religious order that is charismatic, keep an eye out for catholic charismatic healing services, talks, retreats etc at their church,

Google!

Ask others at catholic charismatic prayer meetings of what else is available around, they will usually know.

 

[MaryHelp777]

Best catholic charismatic book you will ever read:

“The Miracle Ship” by Brian O’ Hare.
Amazon.com (available as paperback or ebook download to the free Kindle app).

About a guy healed of incurable bone disease that Jesus called to become a lay evangelist in the Catholic charismatic renewal,
(He was also guided into ministry by Fr Rookie and Sr Briege McKenna, who are famous catholic Charismatics

 

[SyroMalankara]

Pope Benedict expressed that he wished the catholic.charismatic renewal would become a natural part of every parish and of faith formation.

Pope Francis was head of the catholic charismatic renewal when he was bishop in Argentina.

I’ve noticed that Charismatic Catholic supporters tend to promote non-significances are pro-charismatic. Every laymen, deacon, priest, bishop and Patriarch wishes the charismatic renewal to become a natural part of the parish and faith formation - how this becomes so is the disagreement. Doesn’t that wish imply that the Charismatic movement today is not now “a natural part of the parish and faith formation”? Also, couldn’t that wish be interpreted as wishing they would stop being an exclusivist or separate group as a quasi-parish within the larger parish?

Pope Francis also freed up the TLM in Argentina and was friendly with the SSPX. As head of the Diocese, primate of Argentina, he was also head of the Eastern-Rite Catholics without their own Bishop. That doesn’t mean much per se one way or the other.

All the Popes have approved the catholic charismatic renewal and it’s charisms. And have said of the charismatic renewals charisms: “Use your charisms. Charisms are for the building up of the church.”

Ok, and? What does that mean?

The last three Popes and current Pope have been having an international charismatic mass in the Vatican each year for the last few years.

Hmm. Again, I’m not sure that this means anything in particular, other than it’s tolerated and it’s popular.

The charisms are biblical, tongues, prophecy, healing, etc… Jesus promised His believers would speak in other tongues, cast out demons, heal the sick.
St Paul rightfully says in the Bible, “Love is the greatest of all these.”
Hence the more ordinary gifts are even more important. Not everyone has the same gift. But love is more important than tongues, prophecy, healing etc…

So you’d expect all of these secondary gifts being expressed only by those overflowing with Love, right?

Yes, like anything where there are human beings, their will he human errors, so there are catholic Charismatics who are not the genuine article, just as there are catholic charismatic who are genuinely being used by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said, “By their fruits shall you know them.”

This can be said for almost anything - Catholic, protestant, secular, atheist, et al.

But as the Popes and Catechism say, “These extraordinary charisms are of the Holy Spirit for the building up of the church”

We are in difficult times, and that is why God is sending us the Holy Spirit powerfully, for.the Bible says, “Where sin abounded, grace abounded all the more.”

“i will pour out My Spirit in the latter days in a way that has not been seen before. Your old men will dream visions and your young men will prophecy.”

The problem isn’t prophecy, it’s lack of prophecy. There are a megaton of tongue speakers and near no authentic propheciers. Odd, isnt’ it?

 

[SyroMalankara]

My parish is Charismatic.

But not all Masses they have are charismatic. You wont see speaking in tongues during a Mass unless it’s a healing Mass…and BTW, those can run for hours as each person is prayed over by a elder and the Priest anoints you with oil. Then, finally, you have testimonies of anyone who noticed a healing during the Mass.

Healing Mass is very similar to some Charismatic Protestant type services I have been to. A lot of praise, singing and great worship.

I agree with whoever said contact your local diocese. They should be able to tell you which Parish is charismatic. From there, contact the Church and find out when the Healing Masses are. Don’t want to confuse you but they may have “Charismatic Masses” but those are mild in comparison to a healing Mass…it’s basically just some evangelical type modern music spliced into those Masses. Healing Mass is where you get the complete picture.

Pax

The complete picture of what?

 

[Young_Ludovicus]

I’m very glad there are Charismatic Catholics. The Church is big and it needs to harbor a lot of people with different taste. Some might not find satisfaction within regular mass, I’ve heard of plenty of enough non-religious folks they find going to church very boring, and this might also include many religious folks. If there were more charismatic services I really think that in my area more people would go to church.