Charismatic gifts in the Eastern & Oriental Churches?

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One tends to only hear about Charismatic Gifts in relation to the CCR. What I would like to know about is if they are mentioned/manifiested in the E&O Churches as well. The Charismatics Gifts are for the whole Church, so it seems strange that, at first glance, they should be confined to a particular “movement”.
 
One tends to only hear about Charismatic Gifts in relation to the CCR. What I would like to know about is if they are mentioned/manifiested in the E&O Churches as well. The Charismatics Gifts are for the whole Church, so it seems strange that, at first glance, they should be confined to a particular “movement”.
This is just my personal opinion, not a dogma. But I think the reason you see things like the Charismatic movement (emphasis on the Holy Spirit), Eucharistic Adoration (emphasis on the Real Presence), etc. more in the Western Churches than in the Eastern, is because those things had been de-emphasized in the past and thus people were feeling the need for a reminder.

Since the Eastern Churches had never had the experience of seeing the tabernacle removed from their altars to the adoration chapels, the doctrine of the Real Presence was never de-emphasized, so there was no need for a special movement to re-emphasize it.

Same with the Holy Spirit: the EO and EC always address their prayers to the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is always emphasized just as much as the Father and the Son. So need for a special movement to remind people of the Holy Spirit.

Like I said, just my personal opinion from personal experience and observation! Don’t taze me bro! 😃
 
This is just my personal opinion, not a dogma. But I think the reason you see things like the Charismatic movement (emphasis on the Holy Spirit), Eucharistic Adoration (emphasis on the Real Presence), etc. more in the Western Churches than in the Eastern, is because those things had been de-emphasized in the past and thus people were feeling the need for a reminder.

hello- i used to go to the Greek O. church and also the Roman C. – and found that neithor like to have the Holy Spirit gifts operating in their churches–

it much less confusing and easer to only stress the “real Presence” doctrune and not the Real Presence of the Holy Spirit–

besides we all want to get out of church in 1/2 to 45 minutes.

The roman catholic church did have a special mass once a month for the tongue talkers

but it was a fading ministry.

.now the 3 roman catholic churches i go to – promote “adoration of the host” as a viable replacement ministry–
 
besides we all want to get out of church in 1/2 to 45 minutes.
I prefer the longer forms of the Mass/Divine Liturgy. The only times that I do no prefer them is when my severe pain from my disability makes it uncomfortable. I have attended a four hour long Byzantine Mass/Divine Liturgy were everyone stood for the entire time (there were no pews). :cool:
 
One tends to only hear about Charismatic Gifts in relation to the CCR. What I would like to know about is if they are mentioned/manifiested in the E&O Churches as well. The Charismatics Gifts are for the whole Church, so it seems strange that, at first glance, they should be confined to a particular “movement”.
Are you referring to charismatic gifts such as speaking in tongues or other Pentecostal similarities found in some off sectors of the Catholic movement? Thank goodness that isn’t in the East.
 
Are you referring to charismatic gifts such as speaking in tongues or other Pentecostal similarities found in some off sectors of the Catholic movement? Thank goodness that isn’t in the East.
Yes, I can’t imagine Speaking in Tongues in Tone VIII 😦
 
In my experience within the Catholic Charismatic Renewal the emphasis hasn’t been so much on certain expressions or gifts of the Holy Spirit in our lives, so much as on personal encounter and experience of God. In other words, the primary focus has been on personal relationship with God (i.e. encountering God as a Trinity of Persons) in the depths of one’s heart. The gifts of the Holy Spirit, whether “charismatic” or otherwise, flow from this personal relationship and are secondary to it. Gifts such as tongues, prophecy, interpretation of tongues, etc., are not always granted and are usually considered to be the lesser gifts (at least by those in the Renewal who are knowledgable of the Scriptures, particularly the writings of St. Paul).

The reason you don’t see so much of this in the Eastern Churches (although the Charismatic Renewal is there, even among some Orthodox) is because there has always been a strong emphasis on personal encounter and relationship with God in our spiritual tradition. Although academic theology does certainly exist in the East, it is not given as prominent a role in the East as in the West. Instead the most respected theologians of the East are those whose lives have been transformed, transfigured, and set afire by God through the struggle of prayer and asceticism. Among Eastern Christians there is almost a fear of those who have academic “head-knowledge” of God, but do not have the experience of God. A theologian whose life has not been transformed by personal encounter with God is considered spiritually dangerous.

In the lives of the Eastern saints (and even some monastics living today) you will see strong expressions of the gifts of the Holy Spirit - even the Charismatic gifts. Saints, because of their relationship with God, are often given the gift of clairvoyance, or prophecy, or tongues, or discernment of spirits. Others are given the ability to teach with great clarity and precision. Some were great organizers of monasticism. Others were best at caring for the sick. And yes, some were even visibly transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

But long story short, I believe the reason the Renewal isn’t as strong in the East as it is in the West is because the East has always had that emphasis on personal encounter with God, whereas the West, at least for a time, was more focused on scholastic theology and not so much on “mystical” theology. Scholastic theology isn’t bad. It just needs to be balanced out by mysticism. Obviously the great champions of scholasticism - Thomas Aquinas and Bonaventure - were also great mystics. 👍
 
But long story short, I believe the reason the Renewal isn’t as strong in the East as it is in the West is because the East has always had that emphasis on personal encounter with God, whereas the West, at least for a time, was more focused on scholastic theology and not so much on “mystical” theology. Scholastic theology isn’t bad. It just needs to be balanced out by mysticism. Obviously the great champions of scholasticism - Thomas Aquinas and Bonaventure - were also great mystics. 👍
I would also suggest that the sense of asceticism which permeates the Eastern Tradition through the emphasis on monasticism goes a long way towards mitigating the development of any sort of “charismatic renewal”. Monastic spirituality and the practices common to the Charismatic movement, are not very compatible.

You are also quite right however, that this same Tradition does emphasize a personal encounter with God, going back to the Desert Fathers and other Early Church Fathers, this is the goal of asceticism and the disciplines which come with it. This does not mean of course that emotion plays no role. For example, St. John Cassian, in passing on the Tradition of the Desert Fathers and Early Monasticism to the West, noted that these disciplines when combined with God’s grace, can lead to compunction and tears as one becomes more aware of one’s sinfulness. I am sure there are many other examples as well.
 
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This is just my personal opinion, not a dogma. But I think the reason you see things like the Charismatic movement (emphasis on the Holy Spirit), Eucharistic Adoration (emphasis on the Real Presence), etc. more in the Western Churches than in the Eastern, is because those things had been de-emphasized in the past and thus people were feeling the need for a reminder.
hello- i used to go to the Greek O. church and also the Roman C. – and found that neithor like to have the Holy Spirit gifts operating in their churches–

it much less confusing and easer to only stress the “real Presence” doctrune and not the Real Presence of the Holy Spirit–

besides we all want to get out of church in 1/2 to 45 minutes.
:eek: I’d be very surprised to find that you got out of a Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy within less than an hour! :rolleyes:
 
In my experience within the Catholic Charismatic Renewal the emphasis hasn’t been so much on certain expressions or gifts of the Holy Spirit in our lives, so much as on personal encounter and experience of God. In other words, the primary focus has been on personal relationship with God (i.e. encountering God as a Trinity of Persons) in the depths of one’s heart. The gifts of the Holy Spirit, whether “charismatic” or otherwise, flow from this personal relationship and are secondary to it. Gifts such as tongues, prophecy, interpretation of tongues, etc., are not always granted and are usually considered to be the lesser gifts (at least by those in the Renewal who are knowledgable of the Scriptures, particularly the writings of St. Paul). :
That pretty much sums up what I’ve been hearing in a course given by a priest (not afiliated with the CCR) about the CCR.
 
is their any interest in the Apparitions Of The Virgin Mary In Medjugorje. .decide for yourself whether you will answer Our Lady’s call from Heaven.

and these types of charismatic gifts in the eastern and oriental churches?

it is interesting to see on u-tube the captured video of this spiritual manafestation.

i know roman catholics who have gone there – but does the eastern and oriental churches find this an interest?

it’s been going on for over 25 years
 
I may be off base in this discussion, as I have only been attending a Byzantine Church full time since September. But I think the primary reason there is no “Charismatic Renewal” in the Eastern Churches is because there is no need.

I don’t recall a single service where Father hasn’t talked about gifts of the Holy Spirit and our requirement to use them.

Blessing with oil is something the Western Church only does during Charismatic Healing Mass. Yet, we have it regularly in the Eastern Church.

It’s one of the things I love most about the spirituality. From pretty much the beginning of the church, East has been about the heart and profound spirituality, while West has been about the head. We needed that push to bring the Holy Spirit back into our awareness.

I feel the need to point out the profound difference in true speaking in tongues Xenoglossy - which is speaking in a language you do not know, and what our Protestant cousins do. Glossolalia - which is nonsensical babbling. They can call it the “language of angels” if they like. But biblically speaking - Zenoglossy is what happened to the Apostles at the coming of the Holy Spirit in Acts chapter 2.
 
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