Charismatic Renewal and me

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A great book I read years ago was, “Who We Are Is How We Pray.” by Dr Charles Keating.

The author uses personality profiles to help a person understand the type of prayer they’re drawn to.

There is no right or wrong way when it’s Christ Centered and approved by the Church.

Anyway, I was in the Charismatic Movement back in 1976 as it was a growing trend in my area. There were prayer groups and Charismatic services all over the area.

My wife and myself had belonged to two prayer groups but eventually we moved toward contemplative prayer and we ended up becoming 3rd Order Discalced Carmelites, OCDS

Anyway, Michael, attend a prayer meeting. If it’s where God wants you, you’ll grow in spirit, regardless of what is posted in this forum.

God Bless
Jim
 
As I said after that, I was talking about the movement.
I guess you missed this.
 
Michael16,

Here is a site that has many conferences by a Carmelite retreat master, Father Venard Poslusney. When I lived up north I was able to attend most of his Days of Prayer, once a month, from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM.

I discovered on CAF several years ago that someone mentioned his name and I went to the site. I got to hear many conferences that I missed when I moved south. And, I was able to mail to that site the cassette tapes I had collected from his conferences over the years, that weren’t listed and they added them to the site.

Some of the MP3s are about his conferences on the Carmelite saints. Some are about private revelation, some are about spiritual direction, and some are about Catholic Charistmatic Renewal subjects…which he was inspired to teach about. In the beginnings of the Catholic Charismatic renewal some people were carried away with “highs” and thought they did not need the sacraments. Father Venard was an excellent teacher on the subject.

Here is the site:
http://advancedchristianity.com/
 
Me too.

The movement started at Pentecost.

It died as the Church became more in bed with the Empires of the world and became less spiritual and more institutional.

Jim
 
You know what I’m saying.
I’m talking about the 60’s movement, not Pentecost.
And the “less spiritual and more institutional” is a… horrible offense to the Church.
 
It’s a fact of history if you care to open your eyes.

Pope John XXIII prayed for a 2nd Pentecost to take place in the Church.

Many believe that the Charismatic Movement which rose up in the 60s, is the fulfillment of the Pope’s prayer.

Jim
 
It’s not.
Listen man, I know what you’re trying to do, and it won’t work with me.
My first entry here was only to know when this charismatic movement started, not to debate when it supposedly started, so…
Goodbye.
 
Well, it’s when it started and why it died out after the forth century as the Church was legalized and the leaders became more apart of the Empire than of the ordinary people as Christ did.

All religions do this when they get into the power structures of society.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit were thought to be something only those at Pentecost experienced and once in a while, an individual might also experience it. However, those later individuals were usually persecuted by the hierarchy of the Church before their message was finally heard and accepted.

Especially after the Reformation, the Church focus was arguing why the Protestants were wrong, and visa versa, they argued why the Catholic Church was wrong. It often got heated and violent

This lasted right up to Vatican II.

Then, the Charismatic Movement began as Pope John XIII had prayed for, and the Holy Spirit’s gifts were manifested by ordinary Catholics who for the first time in their lives, had an actual experience with the true and living Jesus Christ.

Today, especially in this forum, it’s seen as a Protestant inspired thing and anything which is perceived as not Catholic, is rejected.

I’ve been through all of it and even Centering Prayer and witnessed the distortions on that, in this very forum where it was once a banned topic.

Jim
 
I’m just writing this out of respect, after all you cared to write a huge explanation and I wouldn’t like to simply leave after this.

As said before, this won’t work with me buddy, so stop loosing your precious time trying to make me see the things as you see, to make me interested or sympathetic about the charismatic movement.
I’ll drop now an explanation, and with it you will probably quit your attempts.
Check my profile, it says “Traditional Catholicism”, so for me that’s it, no Novus Ordo, no Charismatic movement, no ecumenism… Besides all of this, I attend the SSPX, so…
And to conclude, I was just interested to know exactly when the charismatic movement started, I wasn’t interested in debating or arguing about it without end.
See you around.
 
You position with the Church explains it all.

However, don’t blame myself or anyone else for your replies to our posts.

Lastly, the Catholic Church approves of the Charismatic Movement and Pope John Paul II spoke highly of it.

So, if you don’t like something expressed in this forum which is in accord with Catholic teaching, even if it came after Vatican II, perhaps you should just abstain from participation in that thread ?

Jim
 
No, you were not “just sayin.” You were implying it happened after Vatican 2 and therefore, that means it’s wrong, as evidenced in your post #50.
 
Michael16 said:
o, if I do the CCR thing: Does that make me a weird Catholic?
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No.
Michael16 said:
Usually, I’m quiet and contemplative in my spirituality.
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There are quiet charismatics. I don’t see a conflict because I appreciate a charismatic Mass but I also love the EF.
Michael16 said:
To be honest: Giving myself over to the Spirit scares me.
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The Holy Spirit will never impose something on you.

The way it was explained, early on, was that the Holy Spirit had many gifts for me and I had to be willing to receive them. I had to open the door where they were kept for me.
Michael16 said:
Beyond the Baptism in the Holy Spirit; what’s the other four pillars of CCR?
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Never heard of four pillars with reference to CCR.
Michael16 said:
What is the basic structure of a prayer meeting?
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It’s been a while but the leader for that night or the person leading the music would open with a brief prayer and the leader began with praise to God and all joined in, some in English and others in tongues. After a time the person leading the music would sing/play praise songs (really simple ones that even a visitor could learn quickly) and when the song the concluded another might be played or the people present would being praying again; after a song some would continue singing in tongues. Sometimes a person would begin singing a hymn and all would join in. Later some would prophesy or offer a word of knowledge, sometimes it would be a scripture verse. Typing it out it seems kind of haphazard or random and you might expect a lot of awkward moments, with people beginning to prophesy at the same time or start singing just as someone began to prophesy, but their wasn’t; prayers just flowed. After the group was done anyone needing prayer could go and be prayed over in the Blessed Sacrament chapel.
Michael16 said:
Is CCR basically a Pentecostal church service; done in a way submitting to the Holy Father?
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I’ve never been to a Pentecostal service so I can’t say. It’s not unlike a prayer group that might say the rosary, have intercessory prayer and some singing, but the focus is on the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest themselves.
 
Likewise, Fr. Chad Fr. Ripperger gives a talk on Pentecost and the Holy Ghost which gives much clarity on this whole topic.
 
Irishmom2 said:
What is your basis for that opinion?
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The Charismatic movement isn’t authentic Christianity; it’s a loony contamination from certain loony Protestant sects. The whole thing is embarrassing and phony. I’ve had the misfortune of attending a couple of CR masses and left feeling a little insane. The good news is, nothing that mad and sad will stand the test of time in the Catholic Church.
 
Michael16 said:
I’ve felt a great change after I really began praying to the Spirit. My usual spirituality is heavily Marian with Ignatian overtones. I pray the Rosary and wear a Brown Scapular.
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Michael16, I would suggest you see if there are any Flame of Love devotional groups in your area. The Flame of Love is an approved devotion that is basically Marian with charismatic overtones. It involves a holy hour where people pray the Rosary and other traditional prayers while calling on the Holy Spirit. It is very popular in some countries, including some areas of USA, particularly Philadelphia (where Archbishop Chaput approved the devotion) and Nashville.
 
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