Charismatic Roman Catholicism

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I go to a Lutheran university in Chicago. Just the other day, two young women from a Roman Catholic university in Ohio (Franciscan University Steubenville) were visiting one of the students here and were invited into our Christian Life class by the professor to “lead” class, so to speak, to engage in dialouge with the students, and answer questions.

What was particularly interesting is that one of the girls introduced herself as a charismatic Roman Catholic (and also affirmed that her school was affiliated with this movement) and the other said she was part of the Charismatic Episcopal Church. They said that there are healing services at their school and people speak in tongues during mass.

Naturally, one of the questions that developed as I listened to this description of the university was whether or not this charismatic movement is sanctioned within the RCC. Do Traditional Roman Catholics affirm and recognize this movement or does it bring a lot of debate and controversy? Does the Pope have a stance?

Just as an aside, it was a really good class. I really enjoying having them there. They explained the seven sacraments, the rosary, Marian devotion, and their school in general. It was pretty friendly dialouge, even though she called our scholarly books and confessions “heretical” (tension behind the laughter, I assure you), it was a good time overall. I hope to spend some time with them while they’re still here.
 
Hello_Operator said:
I go to a Lutheran university in Chicago. Just the other day, two young women from a Roman Catholic university in Ohio (Franciscan University Steubenville) were visiting one of the students here and were invited into our Christian Life class by the professor to “lead” class, so to speak, to engage in dialouge with the students, and answer questions.

What was particularly interesting is that one of the girls introduced herself as a charismatic Roman Catholic (and also affirmed that her school was affiliated with this movement) and the other said she was part of the Charismatic Episcopal Church. They said that there are healing services at their school and people speak in tongues during mass.

Naturally, one of the questions that developed as I listened to this description of the university was whether or not this charismatic movement is sanctioned within the RCC. Do Traditional Roman Catholics affirm and recognize this movement or does it bring a lot of debate and controversy? Does the Pope have a stance?

Just as an aside, it was a really good class. I really enjoying having them there. They explained the seven sacraments, the rosary, Marian devotion, and their school in general. It was pretty friendly dialouge, even though she called our scholarly books and confessions “heretical” (tension behind the laughter, I assure you), it was a good time overall. I hope to spend some time with them while they’re still here.
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Someone that was invited to your school shouldn’t go there and bash the religion it is founded on. That was very wrong.

I do not believe in speaking in tongues (at least not to mean the babbling that pentecostals do), I believe in the Holy Spirit, but I don’t have to do many of the things Charismatics do when they experience Him. Charismatic Catholicism does not impress me mainly because it seems to consider centuries of Catholic traditions irrelevant even though they have helped to form the faith of countless saints.
 
I’m already disliking this movement, the first site for the Catholic Charismatic Movement I read treated all critisism as excuses.

Even when people pointed out the barking like dogs in the spirit… Pardon me but hat feels like a cheap stage hypnosis show than worship of the True God…
 
Complete garbage… has no place in the Church, despite Pope John Paul II’s seeming approval, in my opinion… hold on, the Holy Spirit wishes me to bark like a dog… can anyone interpret that??? That’s acceptable though, right? :mad:
 
Some times we dismiss or even condem things we dont understand.As Catholics,we have the Holy Scriptures Plus Tradition,and the Catechism.Although I dont attend a charismatic parish,may I suggest some readings from the CCC,Charisms #799,800,801.Grace#2003.We dont have to guess when our church teachings are availible for us all.🙂
 
Okay help the Elect boy out here. Where can I find those online to read…
 
m134e5 said:
Charismatic Catholicism does not impress me mainly because it seems to consider centuries of Catholic traditions irrelevant even though they have helped to form the faith of countless saints.
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My sentiments exactly. The feeling I got from my few meetings with Charismatics is that I since I’m not holding my hands in the air, speaking in tounges, and falling down; I have never experienced Jesus or the Holy Spirit before. The last healing Mass I went to (note how it was my last) the priest who annointed me was really pushing on my head telling me to accept it. Not to make a scene, I fell over, although I really did not feel the desire to. I was fuming by the time Mass was over and I have dis-associated myself with that group since then.
 
This is from the Catholic Charismatic Centers site…
The person asserts that Charismatics are not interested in traditional devotions:
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Many Charismatics are very “into” the Rosary. Much of the modern Marian movement has been fueled by Charismatics.
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However, the charisms certainly are more traditional than the Rosary. The church got alone fine without the Rosary for a thousand years, but the charisms sparked the growth of the church from the very beginning. If one reads Butler’s Lives of the Saints, one sees that charisms were operating in the church in every century and in every part of the evangelized world.
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Yes they belittled Mary’s psalter… :banghead:

To my own shock I’m seeing colors of red I never knew existed…

Tell me this can’t go on forever…
 
I do not discount the Charismatic movement.

I do NOT speak in tongues and I’ve never been ‘slain in the Spirit’. However, I’ve gone to a number of retreats that are on the Charismatic side.

I know many people who have been healed–one that had a broken leg that had healed incorrectly–one leg was longer than the other and right in front of everyone, her leg was healed. Another woman had severe blood clots and was on medication. After one of the healing services, when she went to the doctor, the blood clots had disappeared and she was taken off the medication. Another person was cured from cancer.

I can’t disbelieve after witnessing some of these healings. And I know that Speaking In Tongues as well as the Interpretation of the Tongues are gifts of the Holy Spirit that some people to have.

If you’ve never experienced a Charismatic service, it will very likely freak you out–or seem very weird. But after that, you will be more comfortable with it.

Don’t be closed-minded to it if you’ve never experienced it before.

–Barbara
 
Psalm45_9 said:
My sentiments exactly. The feeling I got from my few meetings with Charismatics is that I since I’m not holding my hands in the air, speaking in tounges, and falling down; I have never experienced Jesus or the Holy Spirit before. The last healing Mass I went to (note how it was my last) the priest who annointed me was really pushing on my head telling me to accept it. Not to make a scene, I fell over, although I really did not feel the desire to. I was fuming by the time Mass was over and I have dis-associated myself with that group since then.
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I sent you a PM but I wanted to let everyone else here know that being pushed down and being told to accept it is NOT the proper way of being annointed.

The proper way doesn’t involve physical contact with the person being prayed over. Also, not everyone ‘falls down’. I’ve been prayed over a number of times, and have never fallen myself. If you don’t fall, it does NOT mean that you have not been annointed or touched by the Holy Spirit–the Holy Spirit works in different ways–each person is different/has different needs and addresses each of us individually. Some do fall, others cry, others stand still, but everyone is touched.

–Barbara
 
Based on feelings, emotionalism and experience, Baptism in the Spirit and the Outpouring of the Spirit stand at the core of Charismaticism, by which spirit empowerment is achieved. It has recently been called an “unleashing of the spirit” and is considered to be a manifestation that the individual has received the Baptism in the Spirit.
What does this mean? It means the overcoming of all psycho-social inhibitions and barriers which protect the individual from unacceptable social and immoral behavior. Charismatics maintain that spirit empowerment results in the elimination of rigidity and inhibitions that can stifle spiritual energies. Consequently, the line of defense against our deep inner impulses to act out is weakened. The liberation of physic resources from within the unconscious into the consciousness of the individual is not well-known and can have traumatic effects on the person’s psyche, on his personality and on interpersonal group dynamics which are operable in Charismatic prayer meetings.
Built-in psycho-social inhibitions are healthy and necessary, and by preventing an individual from acting out, it helps him not to sin. The normal person discerns the line beyond which actions become morally unacceptable, either internally or externally. To the degree that psychological restraints are weakened, to that degree are the passions excited. Before enslaving men, Satan first frees them from their psychological complexes and then liberates them from all psychological restraints to bring them under his yoke. Liberation and empowerment open the door for Satan to enter. It is known that at Charismatic prayer meetings there have been occurrences of diabolic manifestations which have alarmed both leaders and participants.
Liberation and empowerment, of which the Charismatic man boasts, are contrary to the virtue of humility, because they foster a sense of self-reliance and pride. On the contrary, liberation and empowerment do not strengthen faith; rather we see it as a sort of psychic drug that eventually will cause the degradation of the faith and the mental well-being of individuals.
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 Furthermore, the so-called Baptism of the Spirit and the empowerment that accompanies it place the individual at a spiritual and psychological risk, because he then becomes vulnerable to both internal and external suggestions.  His sense of judgment is impaired, and consequently he is rendered unable to distinguish wheat from chaff, light from heat, and the authentic from the counterfeit.
read more of this article here:
ourworld.compuserve.com/HOMEPAGES/REMNANT/slain.htm

christianorder.com/features/features_2000/features_feb00.html
 
Hello_Operator said:
Just as an aside, it was a really good class. I really enjoying having them there. They explained the seven sacraments, the rosary, Marian devotion, and their school in general. It was pretty friendly dialouge, even though she called our scholarly books and confessions “heretical” (tension behind the laughter, I assure you), it was a good time overall. I hope to spend some time with them while they’re still here.
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It would have been better maybe to use a different word to describe the scholarly books… Here is from CA
What Is Heresy?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same” (CCC 2089).

To commit heresy, one must refuse to be corrected. A person who is ready to be corrected or who is unaware that what he has been saying is against Church teaching is not a heretic.

A person must be baptized to commit heresy. Movements that have split off from or been influenced by Christianity but do not practice baptism (or do not practice valid baptism) are not heresies but separate religions.

Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by God and solemnly defined by the Church (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Mass, the pope’s infallibility, or the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary).

—Catholic Answers staff

If people are not aware that the teaching is contrary, it is better to educate, and since the wod “heresy” tends to be so inflammatory, it might be mre effective to use another.
 
m134e5 said:
Someone that was invited to your school shouldn’t go there and bash the religion it is founded on. That was very wrong.

I do not believe in speaking in tongues (at least not to mean the babbling that pentecostals do), I believe in the Holy Spirit, but I don’t have to do many of the things Charismatics do when they experience Him. Charismatic Catholicism does not impress me mainly because it seems to consider centuries of Catholic traditions irrelevant even though they have helped to form the faith of countless saints.
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When you say “I don’t believe in it” does that mean you don’t believe it is right at all, that it is not right for you? I am curious what Charismatics do that you do not, and especially how “they consider centruies of Catholic traditions irrelevant.”
 
cyberwolf001 said:
I’m already disliking this movement, the first site for the Catholic Charismatic Movement I read treated all critisism as excuses.

Even when people pointed out the barking like dogs in the spirit… Pardon me but hat feels like a cheap stage hypnosis show than worship of the True God…
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Can you elaborate on the criticisms and excuses or provide a link?

I have never heard of people barking like dogs during worship…
 
The Charismatic movement is not for me. Not interested. Thanks, but no thanks.😉
 
Psalm45_9 said:
My sentiments exactly. The feeling I got from my few meetings with Charismatics is that I since I’m not holding my hands in the air, speaking in tounges, and falling down; I have never experienced Jesus or the Holy Spirit before. The last healing Mass I went to (note how it was my last) the priest who annointed me was really pushing on my head telling me to accept it. Not to make a scene, I fell over, although I really did not feel the desire to. I was fuming by the time Mass was over and I have dis-associated myself with that group since then.
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It seems to me that falling over would create much more of a scene! I am sorry this happened to you, it sounds like a very unpleasant experience.
 
RPConover said:
Complete garbage… has no place in the Church, despite Pope John Paul II’s seeming approval, in my opinion… hold on, the Holy Spirit wishes me to bark like a dog… can anyone interpret that??? That’s acceptable though, right? :mad:
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Someone obviously has an erroneous understanding.
 
barbfromtucson said:
I sent you a PM but I wanted to let everyone else here know that being pushed down and being told to accept it is NOT the proper way of being annointed.

The proper way doesn’t involve physical contact with the person being prayed over. Also, not everyone ‘falls down’. I’ve been prayed over a number of times, and have never fallen myself. If you don’t fall, it does NOT mean that you have not been annointed or touched by the Holy Spirit–the Holy Spirit works in different ways–each person is different/has different needs and addresses each of us individually. Some do fall, others cry, others stand still, but everyone is touched.

–Barbara
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It sounded like the priest was giving her an annointing with oil, in which case, it does involve touch. However, you are right that in no case should a person be pushed or in any way pressured to have a certain response, whether it is falling down, or something else.
 
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