Charismatic Roman Catholicism

[Margarite]

1. you can check with your diocese if these youth groups are on the level and are actually part of the Renewal as recognized by it
2. you can check with folks who have been part of authentic groups within the Catholic Charismatic Renewal

Having been to groups that are listed in with my diocese I can tell you these sound a bit queer and do not represent what really happens.

These youth groups that I am referring to are part of a world wide Catholic youth organization. The leaders are trained to do this stuff. They also attend the Steubenville retreats and that is where they really do the weird stuff. I have been told that people start screaming in tongues or falling down or balling at the Steubenville retreats. Everyone says that the Spirit is strongest at the Steubenville retreats.
Steubenville was the beginning of this whole movement if I am not mistaken, or if not then it is the central hub, and if people are doing this at Steubenville, then I am guessing this is good representative of what the movement stands for.

PS: DustinsDad we make a good team:thumbsup: I am tired of being the only teen with sense enough to avoid such things. It is nice to hear that my family is not alone in this fight for good.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

These youth groups that I am referring to are part of a world wide Catholic youth organization.

Part of WHAT ‘world wide’ Catholic youth organization.

And if there is any organization there IS a central body to bring concerns to.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

From CAF Ask and Apologist area:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=178&highlight=Charismatic+renewal

Jun 3, '04, 10:47 am
Fr. Vincent Serpa
Catholic Answers Apologist

Dear Rae,

Anyone can pray to the Holy Spirit to influence others. Most Catholic institutions of learning begin the school year with a Mass, imploring the help of the Holy Spirit for the students. As for anyone knowing exactly what gifts are given to whom, this is up the Holy Spirit to decide and make known.

Some Christian charismatics will declare all kinds of things that cannot be proven. The power of suggestion can be quite effective in a group that is already steeped in emotion. But there IS great power in prayer. To pray for someone is not to have control over them. It is to truly love them. Love brings freedom–not oppression.

For more on charismatic prayer and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, check with Renewal Ministries, which is a sound Catholic resource on such matters:

renewalministries.net/contact.html

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

(seems link in the original post no longer works - here is the one I found: renewalministries.net/)

 

[deborahssong]

To God be the glory…

   What great discussion!  Very informative.  I am sure of this....that God may do whatever to whomever He dsires.  Scripture is full of His touches in one way or another.....as a child I would here all sorts of stories from the sisters of miracles when little girls took communion, or a child saw a vision of Jesus or the Eucharist turned to Blood in the hand of someone?  These are all supernatural moves of God. which we cannot deny. and shouldnt ever deny!
  Scripture says that the Lord  dwells in the praises of His people.praise and worship is what He loves....He dwells(lives, abides)  there..and so that is a time for an openness to His presence.....and I love being in that place.  Lives solely change when we apply what we know from His word and the church tradition...........That is what totally transforms lives...renewing our minds.....to His ways, His commands.....
 Prayer is an awesome avenue for the move of God, as I have been a minster of prayer for a prayer minstry within the church as well, protestant, and I have seen many miracles and wonders.  James, said it best.......the prayers of a righteous man availeth much.......much what?  They are very important to God. .and He hears us when we call on Him! His word says so.  I just know that what I believe is the word of God!  It is a surrender to Him...all of us.....to totally allow Him to rule and reign in our lives........Dustins dad........Have you ever been to a service such as our conversation? and do you have any full gospel friends? and how have their lives impacted you?good or bad?

Thanks for the great (name removed by moderator)ut…God Bless!

Deborah

 

[Elizabeth2]

Elizabeth 2,

Greetings in the Lord!  I just want ot say something abuot your comment to " wearing theri faiht on their sleeves".  Please let em share what JESUS says about what we believe and who we are......You shall know my children by the FRUIT they bear!  Let your light so shine...as a city on the hill......Do not hide your light under the basket?.......now saying all of that and  I am sure there are much more references to this......our faith should be seen by all.  How else will we be witness to others so that they may want to know Jesus?  I believe that is so clear.  

Also pelase understand what I am saying and it sounds like Sambos671 is saying something similar...my greatest experinces with the LIVING GOD has been away from the catholic church.  that is a problem that must be addressed....and I thinkit is.....

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut and I am truly learning form everyone here! God bless …
Debbie

Hello Debbie
I’m all for people letting their light shine. It’s too bad that you haven’t experienced the Living God in the Catholic Church, but how do you expect to experience the Living God in the Catholic Church if you stay away? I’d say the sooner you come back and do, the better. I sometimes watch an evangelical programme on TV and for friendliness, knowing God’s word and applying it to people’s lives and being accepting of others, they are hard to beat. However for all that they know their Bible they miss out some very important parts and misinterpret others. Feelings are not always very reliable indicators of God’s presence. A priest with a healing ministry here in Canada said two years ago at a Diocesan Conference. “We have to be emotionally mature.” And I think that includes being considerate of others. Not everyone experiences the emotional highs. Mother Theresa, for instance, let her light shine, but she apparently had a long period of her life in the dark night of the soul. It’s not simply a matter of talking the talk, but walking the walk. Jesus said “Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom, but he who does the will of my Father.” I remember a lot of good Catholics when I was growing up who would not have understood the Charismatic movement, but yet they were good followers of the Lord in their own way. But if the Charismatic experience is what you are looking for, you will find it in the Catholic Church, and much more, the Sacraments for instance, and a validly ordained priesthood. As for our shortcomings, we are a Church on pilgrimage, learning as we go.

 

[Elizabeth2]

Hello again Debbie. I don’t know if you are a reader but if you are you might find Pope Benedict’s Encyclical Deus Caritas Est (God is Love) very interesting. He starts off the Encyclical with a quotation from the first letter of John: “God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.” (1 Jn 4:16) ‘These words from the First letter of John express with remarkable clarity the heart of the Christian faith: the Christian image of God and the resulting image of mankind and its destiny.’
He says in section 7
“He (man/woman) cannot always give, he must also receive. Anyone who wishes to give love must also receive love as a gift. Certainly as the Lord tells us, one can become a source from which rivers of living water flow (cf Jn 7:37-38). Yet to become such a source, one must constantly drink anew from the original source, which is Jesus Christ, from whose pierced heart flows the love of God.” (cf Jn 19:37).
This is the Pope speaking in his first Encyclical.

 

[Alexios]

Elizabeth,

You have a Marty Haugen quote ending your posts???

I think I might self-destruct/have an aneurism!

 

[Alexios]

Here is a good piece by the Orthodox on this, but one could simply replace the word “Orthodox” in this post with "Catholic (and perhaps “standing” with “kneeling”) and get the same result.

orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/charmov.aspx

 

[Alexios]

The Catholic Church really has no need of Pentecostal Christian forms of worship. We have the fullness of the Truth as expressed in the Liturgy (well, no so much the Novus Ordo).

Sadly I think the charismatic movement is trying to fill a void (in the wrong way, but I think most of the charismatics’ hearts are in the right place) left open by the disastrous Novus Ordo and how it is celebrated so often today. People, not surprisingly, often feel little connection to the Holy Spirit in the New Mass since it is so often banal and everyday in nature.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

The Catholic Church really has no need of Pentecostal Christian forms of worship. We have the fullness of the Truth as expressed in the Liturgy (well, no so much the Novus Ordo).

Sadly I think the charismatic movement is trying to fill a void (in the wrong way, but I think most of the charismatics’ hearts are in the right place) left open by the disastrous Novus Ordo and how it is celebrated so often today. People, not surprisingly, often feel little connection to the Holy Spirit in the New Mass since it is so often banal and everyday in nature.

The RC Church has a Charismatic Renewal that it recognizes as having a place within it.

The CHURCH decided to accept it.

It does not change the Truth of the Church in any way nor does it have to impact any liturgy as it often makes use of other gatherings like healing services and prayer groups.

 

[DustinsDad]

Here is a good piece by the Orthodox on this, but one could simply replace the word “Orthodox” in this post with "Catholic (and perhaps “standing” with “kneeling”) and get the same result.

orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/charmov.aspx

Very good article. Thank you!

DustinsDad

 

[Miles_Mariae]

The RC Church has a Charismatic Renewal that it recognizes as having a place within it.

The CHURCH decided to accept it.

I may have missed the post earlier. Would you be so gracious as to link me to the evidence of this?

Here is a good piece by the Orthodox on this, but one could simply replace the word “Orthodox” in this post with "Catholic (and perhaps “standing” with “kneeling”) and get the same result.

orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/charmov.aspx
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Excellent article.

 

[deborahssong]

The charismatic issue is so much more than our words will ever be able to explain…because we are talking about…experiencing HIs presence, just as we see in scripture. Moses heainrg God speka ot Him form the burning bush, the apostles in the upper room, the apostel Peter giving his hand to the man at the steps of the synagogue? and he stood up and walked! Jesus healing the young man who had seizures…demon possessed…Paul not being able to go to the people, so he sent pieces of cloth, annointed by him, and the people were healed, who were sick and afflicted.
The didache tell us that we are to do what the gospel says to do…we are to be taught only by teachers who teach the gospel…well The Holy spirit is power!!! not emotions. I am not moved by my emotions when it comes to being mature in Christ…I believe I am…however we have emotions…and we will get emotional from time to time in His presence! I have…my goodness we are talking about our heavenly Father! Yet I know we are to never base our decisions upon emotional response, but clearly by the word of God! If we are in Christ then we have the ability to know what is right and wrong…it is called descernment! WHat does Jesus say i must do and that is every situation! I know that and I attempt to walk that out in my own life. We must never assume we must find out IF we are not grounded in the word of God!
Saying all of that…staying in the catholic chuch wasnt an option back when…I left. I know there is so much more than what I have seen. My great grandmother was a perfect example. She modeled her love for Jesus very easily and very boldy. She was a devout catholic. I watched her model a prayer life that was awesome! I watched her pray out loud with such love for Jesus! I watched her treat her famly with so much love…including me. She was dedicated to Jesus and she lived it daily. For that I am thankful.
However I also saw lots of drinking to abuse all in the anme fo the Lord! Scripture is so clear about that sort fo behavior and what happen if we conitnue in that, as wll as other sin I knOw. But I am usisng that as an example. By offering the ability to have alcohol in excess at dances and socials at churches. arent we encouraging the people iin their sin? Using the money from these events to keep the church going? I just had a problem with that…doesnt match scripture! Not anywhere. yes Jesus attended a wedding and there was alcohol (wine), however you do not read that He got drunk or that any of His disciples got drunk or that He charged at the synagogue for drinks to support the church. anyway …Only the power of God could have changed my life the way in which He did…nothing or no one else…supernatural power from the liivng God…
I take scripture literally and NOW I know the catholic church does as well. yes they have tradiiton as well but most of it as I can see at this point is based from the word of God! I say most…I am sure that God is working in me at this time…to show me what I need to know in my heart to make a confident, infallible decision… I trust Him for that…praise the Lord! If I got off track I sure didnt mean to…just have so much going on within my heart and head right now. Thank you so much and God Bless all…

Deborah

 

[Elizabeth2]

Elizabeth,

You have a Marty Haugen quote ending your posts???

I think I might self-destruct/have an aneurism!

Hi Alexios, I don’t know anything about him. I just like his music. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[wardrandolph]

Has anyone read New Outpouring of the Spirit:New Movements in the Church by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger(Pope Benedict the XV1)?

 

[Miles_Mariae]

The RC Church has a Charismatic Renewal that it recognizes as having a place within it.

The CHURCH decided to accept it.

I am still waiting on the evidence. Oh, right, it would be unreasonable to expect you to have that.

 

[RomanRevert]

Has anyone read New Outpouring of the Spirit:New Movements in the Church by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger(Pope Benedict the XV1)?

Can you send a link? I would be interested to see what the See of Peter has to say about this subject.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Can you send a link? I would be interested to see what the See of Peter has to say about this subject.

It is a book - you can find it on Amazon.

 

[Elizabeth2]

Has anyone read New Outpouring of the Spirit:New Movements in the Church by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger(Pope Benedict the XV1)?

No but I sure would like to. I’ve put it on my to read list. I’ll get to it eventually. I don’t think that anyone has mentioned something I heard on some tapes that I was listening to before Christmas: that the then Pope (Leo XIII I think) at the turn of the 19th/20th Century gathered Bishops in the Vatican on New Year’s Eve to pray the Veni Sancte Spiritus, asking for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the coming century. I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard of this.

 

[deborahssong]

Good info ladies and gents! I had never heard of that meetng with the bishops however I had a good friend years ago that was a priest and he would hold meetings with other area priests for the Holy Spirit to move in their churches and this archdiocese! I went to several of those prayer meetings…how awesome it was. He did this at least once a month as he beleived he was called to do so…wow I had forgotten about that until you mentioned this just now…how awesome is that/ these postings have helped me really dig deep into my heart and REMEMBER the good things of my time in the church! I also had a good friend that was a nun…spiritfilled…oh my delivered from a terrible addiction of alcohol and loved the Lord so much for saving her life…and she was responsible for leading me back into mass at that time in my life. See I believe when God has done a miracle in your life it is hard to keep quiet and actually we arent suppose to keep quiet! Isnt it amazing how much we forget and how much the enemy will make sure you forget!
I am planning on reading the book mentioned…going to get it soon. Thanks so mucb and May God bless all of you for helping me find real answers to my questions…

Deborah
philippians 4;13