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is there a chart or reference somewhere out there that breaks down the anti-Catholic attitudes of other religions–especially Protestant sects? I am loooking for something that identifies those who are antagonistic toward Catholicism…you know the ‘whore of babylon’ ‘pope is the antichrist’ thing?
 
To some degree, every Protestant sect is Anti-Catholic, in the sense that they are against the Church in some fashion. Most of them will deny this, but if it weren’t true, they wouldn’t be Protestants.

As for the ardent slanderers of Protestantism, I would have to say several brands of Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism make such claims against the Church. Seventh-Day Adventists have it ingrained in their theology, I believe. Someone correct me, if I’m wrong.

In Pax Christi
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you are not wrong. the Seventh Day Adventist Church relies on anti catholocism to prove their doctrine.
 
These protestant sects, I believe there are about 33,000 of them have no regard for Church History at all.How often you hear their pastors speaking with such authority distorting facts; I wonder why they do that-- feed their flock with “lies”. One of their favourite is accusing the Catholic Church of adding the Deuterocanonical books(Apocrypha) at the Council of Trent in 1546, when in truth they have removed them from the Bible after the reformation.These books were there in the Greek version of the Bible which the Christians used.The Greek Orthodox Church, which split in 1054,still has these books in their Bible,they have not removed them!
 
These books were there in the Greek version of the Bible which the Christians used.The Greek Orthodox Church, which split in 1054,still has these books in their Bible,they have not removed them!
Interesting. The Greeks also have within their canon text which the Catholic Church excludes from its canon. Does this mean that the Catholic canon is incomplete or defective?
 
To some degree, every Protestant sect is Anti-Catholic, in the sense that they are against the Church in some fashion. Most of them will deny this, but if it weren’t true, they wouldn’t be Protestants.

As for the ardent slanderers of Protestantism, I would have to say several brands of Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism make such claims against the Church. Seventh-Day Adventists have it ingrained in their theology, I believe. Someone correct me, if I’m wrong.

In Pax Christi
Andrew

If they deny it, should they not be taken at their word, unless their is very good evidence to evidence to the contrary ? If a priest claims not to be a paedophile, one does not say “Of course you are - but you’ve hidden the evidence of your paedophilia so well, that we cannot prove it”; instead, one assumes he is an honest & credible man, just as his self-defence would imply.​

Many people would say - as in that imaginary example - that Catholic priests are paedophiles. We tend to get rather upset, & annoyed, & defensive, when that is said; even though it is by no means a totally baseless remark. Don’t we owe our Protestant brethren the same consideration, when they defend themselves ?

So why are Protestants Protestant ? For much the same reasons as Catholics are Catholic: conviction, habit, conversion, upbringing, marriage, missionary work, good reasons, not so good reasons, absence of a reason to be anything else, other reasons, or a combination. The CC is not nearly as important in people’s life as Protestants as is sometimes imagined 🙂 - people are often Protestant, because there is simply no reason in their consciousness for them to be Catholic - or Sikh, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever. That does not make them “anti-Jewish”, etc.

It’s difficult not to think of the old rumour, dating from the 1930s, I think, that Catholics used churches for storing guns & ammunition, until the time they could take over the US. Some of our ideas about others are equally daft 🙂
 
Depends on the definition of anti-Catholic. I generally only apply it to theologies that explicitly say that Catholic theology is fundamentally non-Christian. Which brings up an interesting point when you look at early Protestant creeds that had anti-Catholicism written into them: shasta.com/sphaws/creeds.html

Some denominations removed the anti-Catholic parts later, prompting the questions, Who was right? Who decided? Why did they get to decide? 🙂
 
I am referring to the seven books protestants accuse Catholics of adding to the Bible. I merely pointed to the Greek Version as a proof that these books were in the Bible and not added to it at the Council of Trent in 1546.
 
this was not a hard question. there is no hidden code to the term ‘anti-Catholic’. I am not having much luck asking questions at CA --it seems people just need an excuse to highjack a thread with some protestant versus catholic agenda or they are deliberately obtuse. sorry to those who did try to answer me.
I will ask one more time and if it does not have an answer then I will ask the mods to close the thread.
I am looking for a list that gives me the general run down of the attitudes of modern popular evangelicals toward catholics…like what DOES pat robertson, john hagee, benny hinn, charles stanley etc really think and teach about the Catholic Church? I hear people making assumptions and quoting so-called statements of these guys degrading the Church, but I have yet to actually find these quotes expressed publically.
 
this was not a hard question. there is no hidden code to the term ‘anti-Catholic’. I am not having much luck asking questions at CA --it seems people just need an excuse to highjack a thread with some protestant versus catholic agenda or they are deliberately obtuse. sorry to those who did try to answer me.
I will ask one more time and if it does not have an answer then I will ask the mods to close the thread.
I am looking for a list that gives me the general run down of the attitudes of modern popular evangelicals toward catholics…like what DOES pat robertson, john hagee, benny hinn, charles stanley etc really think and teach about the Catholic Church? I hear people making assumptions and quoting so-called statements of these guys degrading the Church, but I have yet to actually find these quotes expressed publically.
That link I provided. Scroll down to the bottom and it shows what many current denominations believe about the Church (most with supporting examples, some not.)

I’m afraid there are complications with the term anti-Catholic. Used incorrectly, and Protestants can rightly shoot back that Catholics are anti-Protestant. Which is why I suggested we need term clarification.

Scott
 
To some degree, every Protestant sect is Anti-Catholic, in the sense that they are against the Church in some fashion. Most of them will deny this, but if it weren’t true, they wouldn’t be Protestants.
That’s simply not true, unless being “against the Church” means “unwilling to accept that our sacraments are invalid and return unconditionally to Catholicism, abandoning the distinctive expressions of Christian faith that have developed among us whether or not they are incompatible with Catholic teaching, and of course accepting all Catholic teaching as true, even the teachings that were defined after our ancestors left.”

Many mainline Protestant churches would be happy to enter into full communion with Rome unconditionally, with each side keeping their current theology and practices. I am not saying that Rome ought to agree to this, only that the obstacle is primarily on Rome’s side.

Protestants originally left because they opposed some aspect of Catholicism. That is not why we are Protestants today. We are Protestants today because that is how we have received the Christian Faith, and we are not going to abandon our heritage unless and until we are convinced it is wrong.

Edwin
 
is there a chart or reference somewhere out there that breaks down the anti-Catholic attitudes of other religions–especially Protestant sects? I am loooking for something that identifies those who are antagonistic toward Catholicism…you know the ‘whore of babylon’ ‘pope is the antichrist’ thing?
I don’t think there is a chart, but here’s a brief summary:

The conservative branches of the Lutheran and Reformed traditions (i.e., not the big “mainline” denominations but the smaller groups that claim to preserve the faith in a purer form) are still anti-Catholic in the old-fashioned sense. They consider Catholicism to be in serious doctrinal error, and in some cases would still say that the Papacy as an institution is Antichrist (that is, it sets itself in the place of Christ and opposes the Gospel).

Fundamentalist Protestants who hold to a dispensationalist view of the end times and are suspicious of all Christians who are not fundamentalists have a particular hatred toward Catholicism, which they regard as the Whore of Babylon and expect to be a major pillar of the Antichrist’s coming one world religion.

Seventh Day Adventism is in a somewhat different category. They have their own distinctive theories about the end times, which give Catholicism a prominent place, particularly in mandating the keeping of Sunday as the Sabbath (which they think will be the “mark of the Beast”). They share the general fundamentalist belief that Catholicism has been essentially pagan since the time of Constantine.

Evangelical Protestants who are not fundamentalists (i.e., they are open to Christians with whom they may disagree on some point) may or may not be anti-Catholic to some extent. Few if any would say that Catholicism is simply evil or pagan, but many would say that Catholicism does not teach the Gospel very well and that its errors result in most Catholics not having a personal relationship with Jesus (and thus not being “real Christians”). This is not a hard-and-fast issue. Most evangelicals think that Catholics are at some disadvantage in this respect (this is to be expected, since they disagree with Catholic doctrine and naturally think that having a wrong view of salvation is a bad thing), but they vary on just how serious a matter this is (non-fundamentalist evangelicals don’t think that you have to have all your doctrine right in order to be saved). Some think that it’s very hard to be a Catholic and a “real Christian,” others that it really makes no difference–most are somewhere in between. They do not agree with the more extreme and sensationalistic anti-Catholic claims, but to some extent share the view that Christianity tends to become corrupt over time and that many Catholic-Protestant differences can be explained in this way. However, by and large evangelicals would say that all churches have some corruption, none are perfect, and that what matters is to have a relationship with Jesus, which is compatible with membership in any church that confesses Jesus as Lord (which they recognize Catholics do).

Mainline Protestants have rejected the traditional Protestant anti-Catholicism, but the more liberal mainliners are opposed to Catholic “intolerance” and “oppression of women,” etc., and these days this attitude can be quite fierce. (In arguments with liberal Episcopalians about homosexuality, a citation of the Catholic position is often met with a blaze of scorn about the Catholic sex-abuse scandals and a denial that Catholicism has anything meaningful to say on the subject given its moral failings.)

Edwin
 
I don’t think there is a chart, but here’s a brief summary:

The conservative branches of the Lutheran and Reformed traditions …
As usual, a wonderfully comprehensive and informative summary!

Whatever our differences, God’s grace is working in and through all our churches, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant.
 
this was not a hard question. there is no hidden code to the term ‘anti-Catholic’. I am not having much luck asking questions at CA --it seems people just need an excuse to highjack a thread with some protestant versus catholic agenda or they are deliberately obtuse. sorry to those who did try to answer me.
I will ask one more time and if it does not have an answer then I will ask the mods to close the thread.
I am looking for a list that gives me the general run down of the attitudes of modern popular evangelicals toward catholics…like what DOES pat robertson, john hagee, benny hinn, charles stanley etc really think and teach about the Catholic Church? I hear people making assumptions and quoting so-called statements of these guys degrading the Church, but I have yet to actually find these quotes expressed publically.
I don’t know if there is a chart like that. You might have to do some legwork and create your own.

You listed some names - robertson, hagee, hinn… - why don’t you go to their individual websites, if they exist, and start there?
 
These protestant sects, I believe there are about 33,000 of them have no regard for Church History at all.How often you hear their pastors speaking with such authority distorting facts; I wonder why they do that-- feed their flock with “lies”. One of their favourite is accusing the Catholic Church of adding the Deuterocanonical books(Apocrypha) at the Council of Trent in 1546, when in truth they have removed them from the Bible after the reformation.These books were there in the Greek version of the Bible which the Christians used.The Greek Orthodox Church, which split in 1054,still has these books in their Bible,they have not removed them!
To be fair, St. Jerome started this when he translated the Vulgate from a Hebrew text, and not the LXX, which the NT quotes, the Apostles used, and on which the Old Latin Itala was based. The Protestants took this only a few steps further, which St. Augustine warned.
 
Evangelical Protestants who are not fundamentalists (i.e., they are open to Christians with whom they may disagree on some point) may or may not be anti-Catholic to some extent. Few if any would say that Catholicism is simply evil or pagan, but many would say that Catholicism does not teach the Gospel very well and that its errors result in most Catholics not having a personal relationship with Jesus (and thus not being “real Christians”). This is not a hard-and-fast issue. Most evangelicals think that Catholics are at some disadvantage in this respect (this is to be expected, since they disagree with Catholic doctrine and naturally think that having a wrong view of salvation is a bad thing), but they vary on just how serious a matter this is (non-fundamentalist evangelicals don’t think that you have to have all your doctrine right in order to be saved). Some think that it’s very hard to be a Catholic and a “real Christian,” others that it really makes no difference–most are somewhere in between. They do not agree with the more extreme and sensationalistic anti-Catholic claims, but to some extent share the view that Christianity tends to become corrupt over time and that many Catholic-Protestant differences can be explained in this way. However, by and large evangelicals would say that all churches have some corruption, none are perfect, and that what matters is to have a relationship with Jesus, which is compatible with membership in any church that confesses Jesus as Lord (which they recognize Catholics do).
As an “Evangelical Protestant”, I must say I think you have “us” pegged perfectly on this subject.

I’m new here, but it does seem that all “low church” Protestants are frequently lumped together here as “fundamentalists” which is not at all accurate. There are far more “evangelicals” than “fundamentalists”…with huge differences between us.

I am certainly not anti-Catholic. I have fond memories of regularly attending a Tuesday night Charismatic Mass at St. Dominicks in Eagle Rock, CA when I was (much) younger.

My wife was raised Catholic and we have close family that is still Catholic. We all love each other, but our experience is that we are more “open” and respectful of their faith than they are of ours.

We happily attended their Catholic infant baptism service, yet when ours were “dedicated” at our church, they declined to attend and just met us for lunch afterwords. A bit hurtful, though we just smiled and told them we missed them.

In my limited experience, devout Catholics tend to be more “anti” us than we are “anti” them.
 
thanks all! the mods can weald their mighty hammer of infallible authority and shut us down now…LOL:D
 
To be fair, St. Jerome started this when he translated the Vulgate from a Hebrew text, and not the LXX, which the NT quotes, the Apostles used, and on which the Old Latin Itala was based. The Protestants took this only a few steps further, which St. Augustine warned.
Not really. Jerome used the Hebrew text of the Old Testament and also of the Deuterocanon. Except the book of Psalms which was translated from the Greek version resulting in the different psalm numbers. As a result some of the NT quotes are in unison because of quoting the book of psalms, which he had done from the LXX.

He then compared to the Greek version the Deuterocanon and added any additions that were missing from the Hebrew versions he had.

He translated the NT completely from the original Greek.
 
To be fair, St. Jerome started this when he translated the Vulgate from a Hebrew text, and not the LXX, which the NT quotes, the Apostles used, and on which the Old Latin Itala was based. The Protestants took this only a few steps further, which St. Augustine warned.
Also Jerome did not translate from the Greek just out of pure respect to the original language, This did not mean he did not respect the Greek version and the deuterocanon, after all he did his translation of the book of Psalms from the Greek and decided to leave it like that.
 
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