Che Guevara. Hero or Villain?

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mexolic said:
Today marks the 45th anniversary of Che Guevara’s death. I see many posters and bumper stickers of his iconic image. To many, he’s a revolutionary hero. To others, he’s a Communist mass murder. Is his true legacy one of hero or villain?
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amazon.com/Against-All-Hope-Memoir-Castros/dp/1893554198

A book everyone interested should read is Armando Valladares’ “Against all hope”, smashing book, he spent over 2 decades in Castro’s prisons on a trumped up charge.

And he talks of Che a bit. I think it’s the truth and I’ve studied up on Cuba. And those calling Che a murderer, well, that seems to be the truth. I’ve also seen the 2 part movie on him.

But the author, Armando Valladares is a real hero and “Against all hope” is one of the best books I have read.

Surprisingly, in the past, Radio Havana, still around I think was on shortwave and so are religious stations and I ended up getting some “Christian” penpals from Cuba.
 
George_Stegmeir said:
I find it ironic that Che’s image on T-shirts, posters and in comic books, rather ironic in that it is being exploited for profit by American capitalists!
Che’s popularity as a symbol of rebellion is largely restricted to ill educated and ill informed white American teenagers…the very ones who spend their lavish allowances on ghetto hip hop and gangsta rap.
Funny thing is, that Che succeeded only in Cuba, where teenagers today are not allowed to have any of the freedoms American teenagers have.
The only thing that American and Cuban teenagers have in common is their gross ignorance of the crimes against humanity committed by Che.
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Too true. I vote murdering thug myself.
 
Genocidal communist emulated by at least a small number of misguided Americans.
 
Villain.
mexolic said:
Today marks the 45th anniversary of Che Guevara’s death. I see many posters and bumper stickers of his iconic image. To many, he’s a revolutionary hero. To others, he’s a Communist mass murder. Is his true legacy one of hero or villain?
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Rich_Olszewski said:
:rotfl: Where do you get this stuff?
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Rich, I am not going to argue with you. I grew up in Miami and went to school with innumerable Cuban kids. In fact, the student body at Gesu School in the 1940’s and early 1950’s was about 50% Cuban…
When I got out of the Navy in 1958 and went home, I went to Havana and almost got involved in the Revolution… It was only the intervention of my mother that I didn’t get involved.
I have followed Cuban politics to this day, and have many friends living in both Havana and Santiago de Cuba. Believe me, conditions are not good there. Goods that we, in this country think of being every day necessities are considered luxuries that are available only to the political elite-just as it was in communist Poland! The difference is, that since the demise of the USSR, the country is incredibly poor because their government no longer subsidized by the Soviets. The average adult in Havana only gets meat to eat twice a weekk and fish only once. The rest of the time they subsist on rice and beans.
You wanted to be sarcastic and know how I know? I know people not only in Cuba, but many people who are in contact with their families.
As for the few Americans who have been there recently, They are not allowed to go off by themselves, everywhere they go is carefully controlled by their secret police.
 
mexolic said:
Today marks the 45th anniversary of Che Guevara’s death. I see many posters and bumper stickers of his iconic image. To many, he’s a revolutionary hero. To others, he’s a Communist mass murder. Is his true legacy one of hero or villain?
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The response to this question is likely to vary dramatically ( although thus far, not on CAF:D).
Amongst many Latin Americans, Che is held in high regard. It might be helpful to question why this might be?
 
jeannetherese said:
The response to this question is likely to vary dramatically ( although thus far, not on CAF:D).
Amongst many Latin Americans, Che is held in high regard. It might be helpful to question why this might be?
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So is Pancho Villa a folk hero but I’m not sure if the real Pancho Villa was that admirable. Sort of the same kind of deal.
 
George_Stegmeir said:
Funny thing is, that Che succeeded only in Cuba, where teenagers today are not allowed to have any of the freedoms American teenagers have.
The only thing that American and Cuban teenagers have in common is** their gross ignorance of the crimes against humanity committed by Che**.
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Agreed. Except the part about teenagers. Lots of equally ignorant folks in their 20s and 30s - like my sister for example. Her 13 year old daughter was wearing a Che shirt, I asked her if she also had matching Stalin and Lenin shirts since all promoted the same ideals - just that the other two were more successful.
 
Villain.

IMHO, there are people who take a noble cause and elevate it to the extreme; to the point that the end result is morality turned on its head.

Guevara did that with social justice. PETA does it with the humane treatment of animals. And there are many more examples that I’m sure all of you can think of (not that there will be total agreement).
 
YKohen said:
Villain.

IMHO, there are people who take a noble cause and elevate it to the extreme; to the point that the end result is morality turned on its head.

Guevara did that with social justice. PETA does it with the humane treatment of animals. And there are many more examples that I’m sure all of you can think of (not that there will be total agreement).
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Guevara didn’t care about social justice, it was just a phrase he used while slipping the knife between your ribs.
 
mexolic said:
Today marks the 45th anniversary of Che Guevara’s death. I see many posters and bumper stickers of his iconic image. To many, he’s a revolutionary hero. To others, he’s a Communist mass murder. Is his true legacy one of hero or villain?
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Hero. That is the true legacy even if sadly it is based on a falsity. I hope that with time the legacy will change to reflect the truth.
 
George_Stegmeir said:
I find it ironic that Che’s image on T-shirts, posters and in comic books, rather ironic in that it is being exploited for profit by American capitalists!
Che’s popularity as a symbol of rebellion is largely restricted to ill educated and ill informed white American teenagers…the very ones who spend their lavish allowances on ghetto hip hop and gangsta rap.
Funny thing is, that Che succeeded only in Cuba, where teenagers today are not allowed to have any of the freedoms American teenagers have.
The only thing that American and Cuban teenagers have in common is their gross ignorance of the crimes against humanity committed by Che.
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I used to own this t-shirt & got some odd looks from my college coworkers:

 
YKohen said:
Villain.

IMHO, there are people who take a noble cause and elevate it to the extreme; to the point that the end result is morality turned on its head.

Guevara did that with social justice. PETA does it with the humane treatment of animals. And there are many more examples that I’m sure all of you can think of (not that there will be total agreement).
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Che did not have or start with any noble cause. There was never any social justice in any of his thoughts.
 
I have this magnet on my fridge. It’s a picture of Che Guevara’s silhouette with Obama’s face photoshopped onto it.

The last time I posted a message like this I was marked for moderation. Quite honestly I don’t care. Come at me. And consider, that Obama is sponsoring the killing of many more innocent people than this lunatic did.
 
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