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cove:
Similar to Terri’s but with a much more hopeful ending. This is the difference when someone with extra ordinary health concerns has a devout and loving spouse. An Easter Blessing, to say the least.

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Hi cove,
That’s a great story. How do people here respond to the miracle healings that are shown on God TV nearly every week? I was watching Benny Hinn in India the other day. Over 3 days in spite of terror threats, riots and the usual associated behaviour (over 300 buses damaged in one attack) 7 million people attended the meeting. Those are mind blowing figures. 7 million in attendance. People were healed. How do you view these types of events as Benny Hinn is not the only person claiming Christ is using him to heal the afflicted.
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edwinG
 
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edwinG:
Hi cove,
That’s a great story. How do people here respond to the miracle healings that are shown on God TV nearly every week? I was watching Benny Hinn in India the other day. Over 3 days in spite of terror threats, riots and the usual associated behaviour (over 300 buses damaged in one attack) 7 million people attended the meeting. Those are mind blowing figures. 7 million in attendance. People were healed. How do you view these types of events as Benny Hinn is not the only person claiming Christ is using him to heal the afflicted.
Walk in love
edwinG
My impression of Benny Hinn from the limited times I have seen him on TV is that he is a charlatan.

The miracle in the story that I posted came about through devout prayer. It is my belief that God and only God granted this miracle because of the prayers of the faithful who implored his mercy for this young man and his family.

I am very leery of the “Hinns” of this world. His motives are questionable.
 
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cove:
My impression of Benny Hinn from the limited times I have seen him on TV is that he is a charlatan.

The miracle in the story that I posted came about through devout prayer. It is my belief that God and only God granted this miracle because of the prayers of the faithful who implored his mercy for this young man and his family.

I am very leery of the “Hinns” of this world. His motives are questionable.
Hi Cove,
So if Benny Hinn is a charlatan, who is healing the people? Please consider this carefully as this question is similar to the one where the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of satan. See Matthew 12:31. If you are saying Benny Hinn and the other people who are healing in the name of Jesus Christ are telling lies and using dummies, what proof do you have for this very serious accusation. Imagine, what if you are wrong? Would this be pleasing to Christ? Do you think you owe it to yourself to find the truth, to see if the Benny Hinns are truly being led by the Holy Spirit. This is a very serious matter. Your eternal life could depend on it.
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edwinG
 
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edwinG:
Hi Cove,
So if Benny Hinn is a charlatan, who is healing the people? Please consider this carefully as this question is similar to the one where the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of satan. See Matthew 12:31. If you are saying Benny Hinn and the other people who are healing in the name of Jesus Christ are telling lies and using dummies, what proof do you have for this very serious accusation. Imagine, what if you are wrong? Would this be pleasing to Christ? Do you think you owe it to yourself to find the truth, to see if the Benny Hinns are truly being led by the Holy Spirit. This is a very serious matter. Your eternal life could depend on it.
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edwinG
OK, you mean to tell me that you put Benny Hinn in the same catagory as Jesus? This is the 1st problem I have with someone like Benny Hinn.

UMMM, If and I emphasis IF, anyone is being healed by someone like Benny Hinn then I would have to say that satan is at work. You see the Benny Hinns of this world do what they do for their own glorification and ummmm “money”. Mr. Hinn is a very rich man. I said that his motives are suspect.

Miracles only come from God. Is God working through Benny Hinn? I am sorry but I am not convinced of this and I doubt very much that my enternal soul is in peril because I do not accept Mr. Hinn as a miracle healer. I am wondering, do you get this idea from something Mr. Hinn has said?

btw–I only need to believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. There is no where in my Catholic faith that tells me I won’t go to heaven if I do not believe in an earthly “miracle healer”. As a matter of fact the Church takes this type of thing very seriously and even Catholics who have been known to “heal” or create miracles have been investigated and not very often does the Church ever give credence to this type of thing.
 
Hinn is a notorious false prophet.

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cove:
OK, you mean to tell me that you put Benny Hinn in the same catagory as Jesus? This is the 1st problem I have with someone like Benny Hinn.
Hi Cove,
Obviously you are not serious. But I put Benny Hinn in the same category as you and myself, servants of our Lord God, with Christ Jesus growing in us to maturity. We all have the same potential. How much do you want to serve, depends on how much you want to surrender your will to His will. God lives in you and for us to live in Him we must totally agree with Him. God cant have two zillions wills, one of wisdom, His own, and zillions of foolish wills to satisfy each person. We have to conform, by surrendering our will, by choosing the narrow path each time we make a decision. No doubts, for to doubt is to sin.
UMMM, If and I emphasis IF, anyone is being healed by someone like Benny Hinn then I would have to say that satan is at work. You see the Benny Hinns of this world do what they do for their own glorification and ummmm “money”. Mr. Hinn is a very rich man. I said that his motives are suspect.
Am I understanding you? You are telling me that Benny Hinn sets up the people to be healed in most cases. If someone is healed it is by the power of satan? Wow, Have you been to many of his crusades and investigated the proceedings. Surely it is your duty as a Christian to expose this person publicly, to stand up and defend Christ and show the world the proof you have. Scripture supports this. To stay silent when you have evidence is sin. I beg you, free me and the others in the world who are mistaken. For we are not aware of his, Benny Hinn’s deceit. Do not walk away from your christian duty. To do this would be cowardly and Christ speaks against cowards also.
Miracles only come from God. Is God working through Benny Hinn? I am sorry but I am not convinced of this and I doubt very much that my enternal soul is in peril because I do not accept Mr. Hinn as a miracle healer. I am wondering, do you get this idea from something Mr. Hinn has said?
Yes, I agree, miracles only come from God. Yes the times I have watched Benny Hinn I have noticed that he is always anxious to give the glory to Jesus Christ and to say he is a conduit only.
btw–I only need to believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. There is no where in my Catholic faith that tells me I won’t go to heaven if I do not believe in an earthly “miracle healer”. As a matter of fact the Church takes this type of thing very seriously and even Catholics who have been known to “heal” or create miracles have been investigated and not very often does the Church ever give credence to this type of thing.
I have not said you have to believe in any earthly miracle healer. There is no such thing. But if Christ is using a servant and you condemn the miracles of the Holy Spirit , yes you are putting yourself in an extremely poor position.
Apart from your own investigations which prove Benny Hinn’s deceit, I imagine the Catholic Church also has this and other information. You have just stated how seriously the catholic church takes this matter and investigates such claims. Then by your words, Benny Hinn has been investigated because his actions are important to all Christians. Can you direct me to the site which provides this evidence. If the catholic church has not investigated Benny Hinn, you should ask yourself why not. They have the resources. Benny Hinn and many others are in abundance and your church has a responsibility to all of its members. Did they investigate the book by Mr Brown, The Davinci code. Is an answer available for this. I look forward to reading the proof which proves Mr Hinn and the others like him are evil.
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edwinG
 
There are numerous specials on secular tv of all places that have exposed Benny Hinn as a charleton. Look up Dateline and type in Benny HInn they have done exposes that his miracles are frauds and his ministires financial properties are suspect of not doing anything for the poor.
Also HBO did a special exposing his fake miracles.
Dateline has never found anything of real value regarding miracles.
I beleive the HBO special had exposed many fraudulent healing as brain tumors, cancer etc only one was considered real and the doctor wasn;t impressed as it was a case of a perosn partially deaf recovering to full hearing the person had some trauma that cuased this doctors says this happens from time to time.
Dozens of miracles exposed as frauds and one miracles that was minor given the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry Hinn does not Heal.
 
Always thought that miracles were only acceeded to by the Vatican and then only after a great deal of thought and scrutiny.

Miracle is a somewhat overused and misused word, the recovery of Rob Graham was not a miracle, it was the 1 in 100 chance the doctors predicted. Go through the hospital records, there you will find the 99 who did not survive.

I would respectfully suggest that time would be better spent enjoying the happiness of the Graham family and praying for the souls and the families of the 99 who died.
 
I happened to have the TV on one day for another program at TBN, and a Hinn show followed it before I had a chance to turn channels. What I observed was so horrifying that I believed it was from the pit of hell.

The audience was strictly for youngsters and teens. Hinn invited them to come up on the stage, and proceeded with an angry, glazed face to shout at them in a deep, raspy voice (not his normal one), “FIRE ON YA!!! FIRE ON YA!!!”

As he flung his arms in the direction of the children, they fell backwards onto the floor and began to sob - an entire stage of sobbing children! Mind you, these were not the quiet tears of joy that flow when one is visited by the Holy Spirit, but frightening sobs as depicted on their poor faces.

I had never been so angry at a mockery of spirituality! What must these little ones have thought about God?
 
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Maccabees:
There are numerous specials on secular tv of all places that have exposed Benny Hinn as a charleton. Look up Dateline and type in Benny HInn they have done exposes that his miracles are frauds and his ministires financial properties are suspect of not doing anything for the poor.
Also HBO did a special exposing his fake miracles.
Dateline has never found anything of real value regarding miracles.
I beleive the HBO special had exposed many fraudulent healing as brain tumors, cancer etc only one was considered real and the doctor wasn;t impressed as it was a case of a perosn partially deaf recovering to full hearing the person had some trauma that cuased this doctors says this happens from time to time.
Dozens of miracles exposed as frauds and one miracles that was minor given the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry Hinn does not Heal.
Hi Maccabees,
Thank you for the information. I will certainly follow up on the information you have provided. It is so important that all things are checked. I am confused thought because surely if the evidence is conclusive, then he should be locked up for fraud instead of being allowed to continue taking peoples money and giving false hope to millions of people.
Can you throw any light on the reasons why he is not prosecuted?
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edwinG
 
The United States is a weird country to me in some ways any palm reader can easily rip you off or soothsayer or tealeaf reader or faithhealer. They are unlisecned therefore unrelegated by the government. As long as these people pay their taxes the government does little. The media is the only one that has gone after Benny Hinn and its bascially been only Dateline and HBO.
Our government is to busy prosecuting Martha Stewart I guess to go after Benny Himm. But seriously its been very recent that the governement has finally gone after white collar criminals of the wall street kind. Perhpas in a few years they will go after the pastoral collar when they clean up wall street.
 
People like that Benny bloke have always frightened me. I have found it terribly difficult to understand why people give him credence. I would say that the ‘healings’ are physcosematic, or hoaxed. I would also say though, it’s personal preference, and what ever floats your boat. If that means you have faith in Jesus it’s all to the greater good. Nothing beats personal devotion and prayer for me- no amount of shouting and dancing. It’s about developing a personal relationship with your God. Don’t you think people who go down that road tend to end up disallusioned and dissapointed?
 
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Norwich:
Miracle is a somewhat overused and misused word, the recovery of Rob Graham was not a miracle, it was the 1 in 100 chance the doctors predicted. Go through the hospital records, there you will find the 99 who did not survive.
That is exactly what makes it a “miracle”.
 
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edwinG:
Hi Cove,Can you direct me to the site which provides this evidence. If the catholic church has not investigated Benny Hinn, you should ask yourself why not. They have the resources. Benny Hinn and many others are in abundance and your church has a responsibility to all of its members. Did they investigate the book by Mr Brown, The Davinci code. Is an answer available for this. I look forward to reading the proof which proves Mr Hinn and the others like him are evil.
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edwinG
Here are a couple of articles that might shed some light for you and the RCC’s position regarding Hinn–

in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/21bang1.htm

pakistanchristianpost.com/newsviewsdetails.php?newsid=196

In regards to the Davinci Code book. The Church does not have to investigate that one. They already know the truth.
 
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Maccabees:
The United States is a weird country to me in some ways any palm reader can easily rip you off or soothsayer or tealeaf reader or faithhealer. They are unlisecned therefore unrelegated by the government. As long as these people pay their taxes the government does little. The media is the only one that has gone after Benny Hinn and its bascially been only Dateline and HBO.
Our government is to busy prosecuting Martha Stewart I guess to go after Benny Himm. But seriously its been very recent that the governement has finally gone after white collar criminals of the wall street kind. Perhpas in a few years they will go after the pastoral collar when they clean up wall street.
Hi Maccabees,
What about the Roman Catholic Church. Do you think they should do something. I was watching Benny Hinn in India, 7 + million in person over 3 days, and a Roman Catholic Cardinal. Now in the Philipines which is predominately Roman Catholic crowds in the millions. Surely the Catholic Church must expose him or be seen to be in agreement. This is serious.
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edwinG
 
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cove:
Here are a couple of articles that might shed some light for you and the RCC’s position regarding Hinn–

in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/21bang1.htm

pakistanchristianpost.com/newsviewsdetails.php?newsid=196

In regards to the Davinci Code book. The Church does not have to investigate that one. They already know the truth.
Thank you cove,
I looked at and read both articles. It seems that Hinn and the catholic church are in conflict. It also seems that any catholics who were there were in sin. Would this be so. I have seen some of the video of Hinn in India and I think on stage was a cardinal, dressed officially along with dignitaries, social and governmental. When I saw the cardinal I supposed the Roman Catholic church sanctioned these meetings.
If it was a cardinal, where would he have come from. Does India have a cardinal.
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edwin.
 
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edwinG:
Does India have a cardinal.
Of course! Cardinal Ivan Dias

I don’t think he condoned the visit though, there’s an article here.
His [Hinn’s] claims of miraculous healing are also treated with scepticism. Last month, Ivan Cardinal Dias, archbishop of Mumbai issued a circular, called an official in church parlance, asking parish priests to give a ‘timely warning’ to their congregations not to attend Hinn’s programmes when he visits the city.
Dias said that Hinn, despite his popularity and TV shows, is not accepted even by many of his own evangelist colleagues for his ‘controversial doctrines, his misquotations and misinterpretations of the Bible, his false prophecies, his alleged visions of angels and contacts with the dead’.
 
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cove:
Here are a couple of articles that might shed some light for you and the RCC’s position regarding Hinn–

in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/21bang1.htm

pakistanchristianpost.com/newsviewsdetails.php?newsid=196

In regards to the Davinci Code book. The Church does not have to investigate that one. They already know the truth.
Hi Cove,
Thanks for the sites. I read those. Not much there.
I tried to go to the site mentioned before, Dateline,but I could not find my way on it and it looked a bit like a gossip place anyway. So I tried Benny Hinn and went to a site condemning him. There were many articles so I chose one criticising his book, Good Morning Holy Spirit as I had read that book and felt it would give me a chance to asses the criticism. Well, it was a lot of wind. Hinn allowed some organisation to edit his book and he accepted this edit which only made minor changes mostly to chapter 6 I think, but we here have much large difference and I count you as brothers. Mostly I think their noses were out of joint as they were not recognised by the publisher, who they were quick to point out published good Christian books.Oh they also said the editing did not take place until the 8th reprint and the previous copies werent recalled.
A person receiving as much publicity as Benny Hinn is guaranteed to receive some bad publicity. I guess most of it is sour grapes and jealously. Oh he does visit the graves of two ladies but I guess one cant condemn anyone for visiting a grave. He also said he felt an anointing while at one grave. I dont see the harm in being truthful. If he did, he did. I was not aware of these two women in his life until visiting this site which speaks against him. This means I have never heard him mention them on TV say in comparison with a Roman Catholic priest mentioning Mary. He did speak, I think of one of them in his book. It has been a while since I read the book but nothing clings to my memory that seemed out of the ordinary. I have an open dictionary here, Necromancy, magic in general, enchantment, conjuration. The pretended art of divination through communications with the dead, the black art then the greek derivation etc. I am not sure which word or words they use to label him necromantic but it crossed my mind that Roman Catholics have far more communication with the “dead” than anyone else surely. My dictionary is not a Christian dictionary so I suppose to them the 'dead" means those who have died to earth.
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edwinG
 
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FightingFat:
Of course! Cardinal Ivan Dias

I don’t think he condoned the visit though, there’s an article here.
Hi Fighting Fat,
I think you will find he was there. Check out the video, as the camera was on him for a moment while he was named and then as part of a group, but the camera left him as Benny Hinn approached him to fill him with the spirit so their was no picture of him being " slain in the spirit".
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edwinG
 
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