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lerapt78 said:
But was Alberto Magno Romero Rivera really a Jesuit priest?

According to Wikpedia (for what it’s worth):

Regarding his sister Maria (the nun who wasn’t), he claimed that she was tortured in a convent.

When he died in 1997 of colon cancer, he supposedly said “They (the Jesuits) finally got me!”. His widow, true to form, was positive that he was done in with a poison that leaves no trace.

I don’t know. . . . . . . it sounds like he was perhaps a very mentally ill person who thrived on fantasy and grandeur. I mean, if the Jesuits supposedly have this vast system of spies and assassins, it’s kind of funny that they let him do his damage for 30 years before finally “taking him out”.
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Yep.

GKC
 
Given the fact that Jack Chick himself is somewhat shadowy (are there even any actual photos of him?) and given the outrageous, intelligence-insulting content of his “tracts,” I almost wonder (firmly putting the tinfoil hat on) if “Jack Chick” wasn’t made up out of whole cloth by atheists to discredit religion… :bigyikes:
 
Pat_Payne said:
Given the fact that Jack Chick himself is somewhat shadowy (are there even any actual photos of him?) and given the outrageous, intelligence-insulting content of his “tracts,” I almost wonder (firmly putting the tinfoil hat on) if “Jack Chick” wasn’t made up out of whole cloth by atheists to discredit religion… :bigyikes:
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Jimmy Akin met him.

GKC
 
More on Rivera, “ex-Jesuit priest”. . . …excuse me - ex-Jesuit “bishop”:

pjpiisoe.org/pamphlets/390US.pdf
Bartholomew F. Brewer, a former Catholic priest who is now director of Mission to Catholics, International in San Diego [a man long known to Catholic Answers supporters for his anti-Catholic activities and an *authentic
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ex-priest] . . . related to us that several years ago Rivera wanted to work in conjunction with Mission to Catholics. Dr. Brewer did interview Rivera and decided not to use him in his ministry. Over a period of time, however, Dr. Brewer got to know Rivera better and he eventually concluded that Rivera was not only unfamiliar with Catholic theology, but obviously had never been a Catholic priest, let alone a bishop.
In examining the two Chick comics, one finds that statements are made that would seem to substantiate Dr. Brewer’s views. Rivera is apparently unfamiliar with Catholic doctrine, church history, and other factual information.
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For example, in Alberto, Rivera seems to imply that celibacy is a sacrament. Also, he states that students studying for the priesthood were not allowed to read the Bible. He also claims that, in Catholic doctrine, Mary is co-equal with God the Father. These are all misrepresentations of the truth.
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Rivera further calls his reliability into question by stating that the masterminds behind the Inquisition were Jesuits. This is an impossibility as the Inquisition began around AD 1200, and the Jesuits were not established until the 1540s. [7]
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Concerning Rivera’s claim to have been made a bishop, Metz reported in Cornerstone that:
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Alberto now claims that he was once a Jesuit bishop. None of his former associates remember this being part of his testimony until early 1973. Former associate Rev. Wishart (once a pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Fernando), who questioned Alberto about this, reported that Alberto admitted that he had never been ordained a bishop but used the title for prestige. He continues to call himself the bishop of his own church, the Hispanic Baptist Church (Oxnard, California). [6]
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“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
 
Remember_Me said:
Most of Chick’s information came from an ex-Jesuit Priest.
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You have been deceived. Alberto Romero Rivera was a charlatan, compulsive liar, and a thief, leaving a string of duped protestant churches in his wake.

He was absolutely never remotely Catholic.
 
According to Chiniquy, John Wilkes Booth was the tool of the Jesuits. :ehh:
 
Remember_Me said:
“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
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All sorts of claims out there.

GKC
 
Remember_Me said:
“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
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LOL :rolleyes:
 
cath4alltime said:
He unfortunately thinks it is not a lie. Not everyone tries to find out the truth
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That’s true, or they see what they have said is wrong, but their pride blinds them from being humble and saying you know what I lied or I was misled.
 
Jack Chick could never hold his own in an intellectual, public debate. That’s why you’ve never seen him in any type of forum where he would have to substantiate his claims. At least Luther had the honesty to defend his beliefs before his adversaries and debate his errant ideas. Chick would get shot down in a New York minute if he tried to stand on these weak assertions.

Anyone can draw a cartoon. Anyone can start a rumor. Only an honest man will face his adversary and engage in debate before a group of learned observers who know if quotes are out of context, misused, or flat wrong.
 
Remember_Me said:
“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
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It amazes me that Protestants have to believe conspiratorial theories to justify not being Catholic.

Suppose I write a book claiming to be an ex- protestant minister and how the Protestant churches secretly have been working with the communists to bring down society through wellfare and abortion etc. Would you believe it?
 
[SIGN][/SIGN]He’s definitely not lying anymore than the Pharisees were when they made their various accusations. He’s just demented.

You can find much weirder stuff on the internet than Jack Chick. Humans are scary.
 
Remember_Me said:
“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
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Were Edmond Paris, Charles Chiniquy and Adolf Hitler baptized Catholics? What made them turn against the Church into which they were brought up?
 
Remember_Me said:
“The Secret History of the Jesuits” by Edmond Paris & “50 Years in the ‘Church’ of Rome” by Charles Chiniquy, are 2 books with similar themes about the Catholic Church. Charles Chiniquy(an ex-priest) claimed the Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln!!! :confused:
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Do you believe their claims absolutely 100%

Here a refutation of the book of Chiniquy:

philvaz.com/apologetics/Charles-Chiniquy-Anti-Catholic.htm

*Sadly, a few years later, Chiniquy committed a series of acts of immorality and other unfortunate wrongdoing, which ultimately led to his excommunication from the Catholic Church in 1858. The reasons for this excommunication are discussed, in detail, in the essay Pastor Chiniquy (by the same Rev. Sydney Smith, quoted above).
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AN EXAMINATION OF HIS “FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME” by REV. SYDNEY F. SMITH, S.J.

AN ESSAY ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED IN 1908

IF the person who called himself Father Chiniquy had confined himself to the ministrations of the religion for which he forsook the Church of his baptism, we might have left him unchallenged to give his own account of the motives and circumstances of his alleged conversion. But inasmuch as he has sought to gain popularity and income by wholesale misrepresentations against the personal character and beliefs of those with whom he was previously associated, and his books written for this purpose are still widely used as instruments for the persecution of poor Catholic working men and working women in the shops and factories, those connected with him can have no complaint against us for submitting his past career to a searching examination, even if the result should be to discover facts not tending to exalt his reputation. So far, indeed, we have not taken this course, the difficulty of obtaining the requisite information from distant places having been so great; but so many piteous appeals have reached us from the victims of this unscrupulous persecution, that we have seen the necessity of putting the man’s story to the test, and through the kindness of some American and Canadian friends we have been supplied with some materials which, if they do not enable us to check his story at every point, suffice at least to show that he was not exactly the witness of truth.

In his earliest biographical effusion, published by the Religious Tract Society in 1861, he bases his conversion solely on doctrinal considerations, and so far from bringing charges against the moral character of the Catholic clergy, he says expressly that there are in the Church of Rome many most sincere and respectable men, and that “we must surely pray God to send them His light, but we cannot go further and abuse them”; nor is there any charge against their personal character in his Why I left the Church of Rome, which comes next in chronological order. But it would seem that the ultra-Protestant palate required something more stimulating, for in his verbose and voluminous Fifty Years in the Church of Rome (1885) he tells quite a different story.
 
If the Jesuits killed Lincoln, then why weren’t they hailed by the Southern/Confederate Protestants?
 
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