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BeeSweet
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Does chicken stock / broth count as meat?
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jmcrae
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My Confessor says, avoid cooking with them on abstinence days - but if you happen to consume them without being aware ahead of time, don’t worry about it.
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tee_eff_em
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I’ve heard that it is not, but I prefer to steer clear of such anyway. :twocents:
Jimmy Akin has written well on this: The Law of Abstinence, and Soups Made From Meat.
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Jimmy Akin has written well on this: The Law of Abstinence, and Soups Made From Meat.
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CuriousInIL
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puzzleannie
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just answered on AAA
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=133987
go ahead and use your chicken broth
if our planning for Lenten penances spends most of our time and energy looking for what we can get away with and minimalist approach to the disciplines, it probably is of very little spiritual benefit anyhow. If our Lenten practices evolve into a comparative study “I’m doing this much, how much are you doing?” that discussion is also probably damaging to our spiritual health.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=133987
go ahead and use your chicken broth
if our planning for Lenten penances spends most of our time and energy looking for what we can get away with and minimalist approach to the disciplines, it probably is of very little spiritual benefit anyhow. If our Lenten practices evolve into a comparative study “I’m doing this much, how much are you doing?” that discussion is also probably damaging to our spiritual health.
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BeeSweet
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It’s not so much that I’m looking for a minimalist approach as it is that I have a monsterous pot of glorious golden chicken stock in the fridge right now which I made yesterday, and with which I was going to make a pot of vegetable soup for lunch. I hadn’t thought it would count as meat since I ran it through a strainer last night to remove all the meat. I wanted to clarify.
So I will have my veggie soup with chicken stock today, but I’m also gonna teach myself how to make a good pot of vegetable stock for the future!
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BeeSweet
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yeah yeah… I caught that after… I’m good at doing that
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I even changed my wording to that from “I wanted to be sure”.
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MTD
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There are differing opinions as to whether or not stock/broth is considered meat. Jimmy Akin and the other CA apologists say that it’s not considered meat. Colin B. Donovan at the EWTN forums says that it is. Check out Abstinence.
Now, according to Probabilism, which is the doctrine that allows you to follow a solidly probable opinion as long as it will cause no harm to you or others, you can follow either opinion. I personally think Donovan has the correct opinion. But since we can’t be sure, you are free to follow either.
I think jmcrae’s confessor had a good point: don’t make it a practice of using meat stock/broth, but don’t fret if you find yourself in a “situation.”
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Now, according to Probabilism, which is the doctrine that allows you to follow a solidly probable opinion as long as it will cause no harm to you or others, you can follow either opinion. I personally think Donovan has the correct opinion. But since we can’t be sure, you are free to follow either.
I think jmcrae’s confessor had a good point: don’t make it a practice of using meat stock/broth, but don’t fret if you find yourself in a “situation.”
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BLB_Oregon
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My mother always deleted all meat and meat by-products–did not even use “condiments made from meat”, as is explicitly allowed–including stocks, but made exceptions so that a) food would not be wasted and b) hospitality would not be violated.
In other words, if she went to a restaurant or to someone’s house and was asked, she’d explain the regulation, but if in spite of whatever chance she had to make requests found meat placed in front of her, she ate what she was served. If you asked her, she’d say, “Use it!”
As far as I know, the current rule allows stocks and whatever little bits escape into the stock, but I still do it Mom’s way. I would go back to St. Paul and make way for the weak, if you need to, but do your best and then not have scruples about it, otherwise.
In other words, if she went to a restaurant or to someone’s house and was asked, she’d explain the regulation, but if in spite of whatever chance she had to make requests found meat placed in front of her, she ate what she was served. If you asked her, she’d say, “Use it!”
As far as I know, the current rule allows stocks and whatever little bits escape into the stock, but I still do it Mom’s way. I would go back to St. Paul and make way for the weak, if you need to, but do your best and then not have scruples about it, otherwise.
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MTD
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It’s actually not explicitly allowed; check out the link I gave in my earlier post. As you will see, there are differing opinions among reputable people (i.e., Jimmy Akin and Colin B. Donovan) as to whether stock is allowed.
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BLB_Oregon
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Either way, I’m stuck with the way Mom did it. I suppose I could help myself, but I won’t. There is nothing wrong with going without a little bit more than required. Going without chicken stock is something I miss on days of abstainence, but if the stock were going to go to waste if I did not use it, I’d use it.
Stock freezes very well, though, so that isn’t likely to be an issue around here.
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StevenFrancis
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Yes. Only vegetable or fish stock is allowed. This is no biggie however. Our parish has a soup dinner every Friday evening during lent, before we experience the Way of the Cross. There are usually many different soups to choose from, and all of them are made with veggie or fish broth. They’re all perfectly delicious.
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I may have given you a wrong answer. I’ll continue to search resources, but an apologetic was saying on the radion yesterday that broths do not count as meat, for pretty much the same reason that fish doesn’t count. The word meat in this case means the flesh of a land animal. So while it’s safest to still use vergetable based if you can, apparently our parish goes overboard with our rules about broths and such. I’m going to keep looking, but I do know we need to always keep in mind what words meant back then in thier original language. Doesn’t help you now, but Good Friday, you’ll be all set.
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It is rather in the theme of this thread so I thought I’d share:
Yesterday (Ash Wed) I was preparing fried patties made from lentils/dal (I call them “radish balls”). I had the patties nearly ready and went to pour the oil into the pan. Turns out all I had left was a tablespoon, and I needed about a cup and a half. So, what to do as the family is starving over there at the dinner table?
It was either lard (I had plenty) or the oil I use to deep-fry chicken (that is, used oil that tasted very, very yummy). I went with the chicken-flavored oil. Our radish balls were better than usual that day.
No, I’m not worried about it, just sharing the little things that seem to go wrong with the process now and then.
Yesterday (Ash Wed) I was preparing fried patties made from lentils/dal (I call them “radish balls”). I had the patties nearly ready and went to pour the oil into the pan. Turns out all I had left was a tablespoon, and I needed about a cup and a half. So, what to do as the family is starving over there at the dinner table?
It was either lard (I had plenty) or the oil I use to deep-fry chicken (that is, used oil that tasted very, very yummy). I went with the chicken-flavored oil. Our radish balls were better than usual that day.
No, I’m not worried about it, just sharing the little things that seem to go wrong with the process now and then.
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lizaanne
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I abstain from meat every Friday, not just during Lent, and one of my favorite Friday lunch things is a beef flavor ramen noodles and a yogurt (not combined, mind you!). I’m hardly worried that the little powdered flavor packet has what would be considered meat in it.
~Liza
~Liza
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