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Now I am not attacking the church or the Pope at all, but why is the church hiding this sin and I heard one of the Cardinals who was at the centre of this is actually preaching in the vatican.
 
How is the Church hiding the sin? It has been exposed for the last three or so years in all forms of media. As far as Cardinal Law… We are all sinners. Even Pope John Paul II had a confessor… Judge not, lest ye be judged sticks out in my mind. This scandal is one (in my mind) that still needs to be addressed, but God will hold judgement on those who are deserving.

Peace,

Gordon
 
I was awe struck by the sight of the Patriarch’s of the Eastern and Oriental Churches gathered in arc at the foot of Pope John Paul II’s casket singing their ancient funeral rite. I will never forget the heartbroken sound in their prayer as they said goodbye to what was obviously their beloved brother Patriarch. It was almost the eighth counsel and was certainly trying to say something significant about the possibility of ending the Great Schism. Why then was this transcendent experience of John Paul the Great’s funeral Mass sullied by allowing the dully disgraced Cardinal, Cardinal Law, to say Mass today in Honor of John Paul II? Cardinal Law was run out of Boston on a rail for his moral turpitude. He is one of the main people responsible for visiting the sex scandal crisis on the American Catholic Church. He lied, he sinned, he demonstrated an incredible degree of incompetence concerning his responsibilities. His public rehabilitation by conducting this Mass is simply an outrage. He should be wearing sackcloth and working with the lepers at Mother Teresa’s hospital in Calcutta. Not demonstrating that he still occupies such an august position among the elite of the Church by being given the Honor of conducting this Mass. He symbolizes everything that is/was wrong with the Church hierarchy and his reemergence now in this manner sends completely the wrong message to the faithful. It says that Cardinal Law is above the The Natural Law. That he wasn’t an aberration but instead that our Church hierarchy is corrupt. That they do not have Moral Authority any longer because they are demonstrably immoral. That he is not to be held responsible for his cover-up which lasted decades. St. Augustine said that the Sacraments administered by such a man were still valid. I ask, who in this country would want to receive the Sacraments from such a man? St. Augustine, not withstanding, in my opinion it would be better for everyone if Cardinal Law were never heard from again.
 

Now I am not attacking the church or the Pope at all, but why is the church hiding this sin and I heard one of the Cardinals who was at the centre of this is actually preaching in the vatican.​

Sickening isn’t it? I was ready to possibly come back to Catholicism, but after learning about this I will not. It’s clear it’s easier to scape goat gays for Cardinal Law’s shirking his duties, but that does not solve a thing, now does it?
Of course this is a sore subject and people are afraid to address it but it’s the main reason it will continue to be a sore thumb.
Unfortunately this is not a new issue either~look up Carraveggio and see who he painted for and the type of pictures he painted for a certain Cardinal.
 
Geez! The jerk was demoted to a pissant pastor in Rome where they can keep a close eye on him and whose hiding anything? If ya can’t stand for the truth when there is truth then I supposed the truth ain’t important enough to ya. Nothing changes the truth of the church…Period.

All these guys are getting what they deserve and hopefully the innocent priests (and there are some) will be exhonerated. The abuse is not nearly as bad as that as is hidden within education circles, but no one wants to even think about that.

All I’m saying that we have a screwed up society and we need to keep stuff in some sort of persepctive. The church is not at fault…people did this…
 
deesypal I see you are making your first post. There are about six other threads on the Cardinal Law issue. You might want to look at them for answer

Lisa N
 
The abuse is not nearly as bad as that as is hidden within education circles, but no one wants to even think about that.

That point is moot, the issue is The Roman Catholic Church and how it is allowing someon in an authority position to continue with their job, when he knowingly moved pedophiles from parish to parish. THAT is the issue, not a perverted teacher. I thought those in authority were the ones who were responsible for what happened under their “watch”. Clearly the Cardinal has not been demoted or anything. For that matter he is in Rome living in a nice appartment earning $120,000. a month. Some punishment.​

he church is not at fault…people did this…​

The Church ALLOWED people to DO THIS.
 
I think it’s more than a little ridiculous how many lawsuits have jumped out of nowehere about this. At least some of these lawsuits are suffering from bandwagon syndrome (don’t know if that’s an actual phrase or if I just made it up), that is, people see how much money people milk out of these lawsuits, so they think to themselves “Hey, I can just say Father Wassisface molested me when I was 6 and I’ll be rolling in dough”.
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My understanding is that Card. Law ia the archpriest of one of the 4 major Churches in Rome. Each of the archpriests had a specific duty to perform re: the funeral of the Holy Father. Hence, Card. Law said one of the Masses. Ther was no honor given him because he is Card. Law. It was because he is an archpriest.

Peace,
Linda
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
The abuse is not nearly as bad as that as is hidden within education circles, but no one wants to even For that matter he is in Rome living in a nice appartment earning $120,000. a month. Some punishment.

yeah, $120,000 a month. right.
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I can’t believe people think that Cardinal Law being moved to the Vatican was some kind of reward, or even a good thing in his eyes. Look at it this way, if you screwed up when moving out on your own and your parents said “Nope, you gotta move back into our house now”, would you look at that as a GOOD thing? They dragged his butt across the Atlantic because they don’t trust him enough to let him out of their sight for 10 minutes! He’s still a bishop, and he’s done his Confession, so he can say Mass. That’s like letting a grounded child come out of their room for 30 minutes so they can do the dishes.

Perspective people, it’s a handy thing.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
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Lilyofthevalley:
The abuse is not nearly as bad as that as is hidden within education circles, but no one wants to even For that matter he is in Rome living in a nice appartment earning $120,000. a month. Some punishment.

yeah, $120,000 a month. right
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That figure sounds like bunk to me too…
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Instead of concetrating seeing this a very westren light, that he was honored with saying the mass, why don’t we view this in more of an eastren way, sence after all that’s is how christianity, judaism, and life started, and see how humbling it would be to give honor to such a holy man!

I doubt anyone alive today woudl feel worthy of that honor, to preside over the funeral of a sure saint? How humble even the holiest of us would feel, even more still someone who knows he has contributed to great scandal!
 
  1. There was the necessity of Cardinal Law saying a Mass because he is archpriest of one of the 4 Vatican churches. You can’t do an end run around that.
  2. Given the necessity of (1), his Mass achieved the following:
a) brought the discussion over the sex scandal back out into the open where it belongs;
b) gave Law a sound and stern lesson in accountability and humility.

Every time Law gains the public eye he will be confronted with the temporal consequences of his errant thoughts and words, what he has done and what he has failed to do: for the rest of his life.

Even prison does not achieve that.
 
The Church didn’t hide the Inquisition, its treatment of Jews, its treatment of Galileo Galilee, OR the ‘sex scandal’ (as the secular media has dubbed it). St. Peter was disgraced when he denied our Holy Savior; weren’t the other Apostles in disgrace when none of them ran to aid our Lord during His Passion? Are sinners not allowed salvation after they have sinned? Did our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II The Great not forgive his attacker? Why is it so many people demand the eternal damnation of the Church and its members? Our priests, at every mass, ask God to look past our sins and see our faith?

I hope God looks past my sins and sees my faith in that I love His Holy Son.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
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The Church ALLOWED people to DO THIS.
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Does God ALLOW people to sin? Is there any dichotomy here?

What happed to faith in Jesus that evntualy there will be no sin???
 
Church Militant:
All these guys are getting what they deserve and hopefully the innocent priests (and there are some) will be exhonerated. The abuse is not nearly as bad as that as is hidden within education circles, but no one wants to even think about that.All I’m saying that we have a screwed up society and we need to keep stuff in some sort of persepctive. The church is not at fault…people did this…
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I wish I can remember the article I read, but there was a statistical analysis of pedophiles within certain circles.

I t compared the percentage of pedophilic priests to persantage of pedophilic married men, pedophilic protestant ministers, pedophilic teachers…etc, etc the final result shows that there was a far smaller number of pedophilic priests then there were pedophiles in the other groups…it really put matters into perpective…
 

That point is moot, the issue is The Roman Catholic Church and how it is allowing someon in an authority position to continue with their job, when he knowingly moved pedophiles from parish to parish. THAT is the issue, not a perverted teacher. I thought those in authority were the ones who were responsible for what happened under their “watch”. Clearly the Cardinal has not been demoted or anything. For that matter he is in Rome living in a nice appartment earning $120,000. a month. Some punishment.​

Where did you get the salary information from?
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

Now I am not attacking the church or the Pope at all, but why is the church hiding this sin and I heard one of the Cardinals who was at the centre of this is actually preaching in the vatican.​

Sickening isn’t it? I was ready to possibly come back to Catholicism, but after learning about this I will not. It’s clear it’s easier to scape goat gays for Cardinal Law’s shirking his duties, but that does not solve a thing, now does it?
Of course this is a sore subject and people are afraid to address it but it’s the main reason it will continue to be a sore thumb.
Unfortunately this is not a new issue either~look up Carraveggio and see who he painted for and the type of pictures he painted for a certain Cardinal.
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that’s safe, you stay where there is no sin… good luck
 
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