Child sex abuse

[LoneRanger]

Seeks God:

Does God ALLOW people to sin? Is there any dichotomy here?

What happed to faith in Jesus that evntualy there will be no sin???

ever heard of free will…?

the curtain on sin will fall when Jesus returns…, not before, IMHO…

 

[Laurel]

My husband recieves calls from a group called SNAP I think it is called, because he went to a school where someone he had contact with knew someone sho was a child molester and they want to see if he was a victim too. They didn’t just call once…they keep calling and I am sick of people like that who make it their mission to berate the Cathoilc Church. What are they doing to help CSA survivors who were abused by family friends and neighbors. Are they pushing for allowing us to press charges after the ordinary time limits are up?..no they are not. They are on a mission to attack the church…if they weren’t they would be champions to all CSA survivors and not just those victimized by priests. There are a lot more of us who suffered at the hands of our family and friends, so why focus so heavily on our priests who need our prayers not condemnation. BTW I am not a hypocrite…I pray for my offender and all others like him.

 

[Bella3502]

I ask, who in this country would want to receive the Sacraments from such a man? St. Augustine, not withstanding, in my opinion it would be better for everyone if Cardinal Law were never heard from again.

I agree… It was very irritating and painful to see Law “promoted” to the Vatican after what he did, and what he allowed to happen.

He is a major disgrace…

 

[LoneRanger]

Bella3502:

I ask, who in this country would want to receive the Sacraments from such a man? St. Augustine, not withstanding, in my opinion it would be better for everyone if Cardinal Law were never heard from again.

I agree… It was very irritating and painful to see Law “promoted” to the Vatican after what he did, and what he allowed to happen.

He is a major disgrace…

promoted…???

 

[Laurel]

Lilyofthevalley:

Now I am not attacking the church or the Pope at all, but why is the church hiding this sin and I heard one of the Cardinals who was at the centre of this is actually preaching in the vatican.​

Sickening isn’t it? I was ready to possibly come back to Catholicism, but after learning about this I will not. It’s clear it’s easier to scape goat gays for Cardinal Law’s shirking his duties, but that does not solve a thing, now does it?
Of course this is a sore subject and people are afraid to address it but it’s the main reason it will continue to be a sore thumb.
Unfortunately this is not a new issue either~look up Carraveggio and see who he painted for and the type of pictures he painted for a certain Cardinal.

Please remember that the Catholic Church is the church Jesus Christ created himself. People are human and make mistakes, but to give up our blessed sacraments and our BVM would be so tragic. I at one time I, briefly, considered being a Christian Scientist. I later realized, with the help of my friends here and Relavant Radio what a wonderful gift I was given in being Cathoilc and I now go to mass everyday. I may not like all the priests there but that is not the point. Like I heard someone say…you might have not agreed with all that all pope JPII stood for but is was comforting to know he stood for what he believed in with such conviction. You don’t have to like all the Cardinals to be Cathoic. I don’t mean that in a condescending way at all either. I just hate to see you not come back.

I Like this quote…

“One thing in this world is different from all other… It is the Catholic Church. Within that household the human spirit has roof and hearth. Outside it, is the Night.”
~ Hillaire Belloc

I believe that is true. Harsh maybe, but true. Please re-consider coming back. Why did this move me so…I am not sure, but your words touched my heart and I had to tell you this.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Yes, I am sure that when Cardinal Law “moved around” the few abusive priests that he knew had abused someone (and despite all the doctors told him at the time regarding the “treatability” of pedophilia and that the priests would be perfectly SAFE) that he miraculously somehow KNEW these men would ABUSE AGAIN, even though the priests themselves didn’t know it, and that he was deliberately setting about to bring down the Catholic Church. Yep, he should be boiled in oil, set to rot in prison, never allowed to hold any sort of office ever again, never allowed to call himself a man, let alone a priest, sent into the jungle or desert to beg, etc. Why, he isn’t even worthy to be called a human, is he?

Imagine–the nerve of being asked to “forgive” this man. Why JP 2 actually forgave him I’ll never know. Besides, even if JP forgave him, nobody else of us has to. I’ll bet Jesus hasn’t forgiven him, either. I’ll bet Jesus never died for him. How could Jesus die for a sinner? It’s hard even to believe He died for perfect people like us.

Yep, JP had no business to forgive Law. Law’s actions of “condoning” and “abeting” people who had SWORN to him that they were cured and were not sinning were totally reprehensible. He should never have relied on the teachings of fallible doctors or the words of fallible priests. Right from the start he should have boiled the abusers in oil. In fact, he should have foreseen the abuse before it even happened. All of US would have done so. And we would have handled the crisis so much better because somehow we all would have known in 1980 all the scientific changes etc. that took place in the 1990s.

It still is hard for me to understand how the same people who, DAILY, recite the “Our Father” with the words, “forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us” are the ones baying loudest for the blood of Cardinal Law. Justice is one thing. . .but I would trust our great JP 2 to have administered justice.

I think that if we required that we only receive “justice” from Almighty God that none of us would have the chance of getting to heaven. Thanks be to God that He gives us His divine mercy. And if us, then He MUST do so to Cardinal Law (since the Lord alone can read our souls) providing the man repents. . .

 

[Tantum_ergo]

who in this country would want to receive the Sacraments from such a man?

Well, all of us who don’t subscribe to the heresy of Donatism.

Donatists believe that the sacraments will not be administered validly if the person administering them is in a state of sin. Catholics know that a priest, even if he be in mortal sin, can administer a valid sacrament provided that the essentials of valid matter, valid form and valid intent are present.

 

[Laurel]

Tantum ergo:

Yes, I am sure that when Cardinal Law “moved around” the few abusive priests that he knew had abused someone (and despite all the doctors told him at the time regarding the “treatability” of pedophilia and that the priests would be perfectly SAFE) that he miraculously somehow KNEW these men would ABUSE AGAIN, even though the priests themselves didn’t know it, and that he was deliberately setting about to bring down the Catholic Church. Yep, he should be boiled in oil, set to rot in prison, never allowed to hold any sort of office ever again, never allowed to call himself a man, let alone a priest, sent into the jungle or desert to beg, etc. Why, he isn’t even worthy to be called a human, is he?

Imagine–the nerve of being asked to “forgive” this man. Why JP 2 actually forgave him I’ll never know. Besides, even if JP forgave him, nobody else of us has to. I’ll bet Jesus hasn’t forgiven him, either. I’ll bet Jesus never died for him. How could Jesus die for a sinner? It’s hard even to believe He died for perfect people like us.

Yep, JP had no business to forgive Law. Law’s actions of “condoning” and “abeting” people who had SWORN to him that they were cured and were not sinning were totally reprehensible. He should never have relied on the teachings of fallible doctors or the words of fallible priests. Right from the start he should have boiled the abusers in oil. In fact, he should have foreseen the abuse before it even happened. All of US would have done so. And we would have handled the crisis so much better because somehow we all would have known in 1980 all the scientific changes etc. that took place in the 1990s.

It still is hard for me to understand how the same people who, DAILY, recite the “Our Father” with the words, “forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us” are the ones baying loudest for the blood of Cardinal Law. Justice is one thing. . .but I would trust our great JP 2 to have administered justice.

I think that if we required that we only receive “justice” from Almighty God that none of us would have the chance of getting to heaven. Thanks be to God that He gives us His divine mercy. And if us, then He MUST do so to Cardinal Law (since the Lord alone can read our souls) providing the man repents. . .