Child victims of gun violence

[Brendan]

How about owning a pool. That is the leading cause of death of children under 5, and #2 (after car accidents) for children through their teens)

huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/drowning-lead-cause-of-death-kids_n_5155542.html

But what restrictions are there on owning a pool?

Maybe drain the pool if it is kept where children might find it?

Why should anyone feel they need to keep a loaded pool around children? Only city employed lifeguards should have access to a pool. If someone needs to go swimming, it should be restricted to trained professionals.

 

[LongingSoul]

How about owning a pool. That is the leading cause of death of children under 5, and #2 (after car accidents) for children through their teens)

huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/drowning-lead-cause-of-death-kids_n_5155542.html

But what restrictions are there on owning a pool?

Maybe drain the pool if it is kept where children might find it?

Why should anyone feel they need to keep a loaded pool around children? Only city employed lifeguards should have access to a pool. If someone needs to go swimming, it should be restricted to trained professionals.

I don’t know about over there but here in Australia people are charged with manslaughter if they haven’t got a pool fence that is government standard and a child drowns. The government is in the process of requiring that dams on farms be fenced now. Everytime there is a childs death… the natural response is to place more controls on use of things. In the US gun debate, there seems to be a huge resistance to responding naturally with greater restrictions. Guns are like sacred items and ownership is considered an inalienable right it seems.

 

[Brendan]

I don’t know about over there but here in Australia people are charged with manslaughter if they haven’t got a pool fence that is government standard and a child drowns. .

But what about registering pools, how about banning them entirely, after all, the government employees can sufficiently swim for us?

If someone went to a beach for some mass swimming, slap them with a felony conviction.

Think of all the children’s lives it would save if pools were banned to all be a few select government employees.

 

[on_the_hill]

This could have gone very wrong as well. A man with a gun in his pocket in Mass in Pennsylvania… stood from prayer and shot his gun through his pants. Mindblowing scenarios. You don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the sheer idiocy of it all.

cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-parishioner-gun-gfires-during-easter-vigil-mass/

Rural Pennsylvania. I’m surprised something like this makes the news.

 

[Pulvis]

I don’t know about over there but here in Australia people are charged with manslaughter if they haven’t got a pool fence that is government standard and a child drowns. The government is in the process of requiring that dams on farms be fenced now. Everytime there is a childs death… the natural response is to place more controls on use of things. In the US gun debate, there seems to be a huge resistance to responding naturally with greater restrictions. Guns are like sacred items and ownership is considered an inalienable right it seems.

You have the right to your opinion. But i have seen the crime statistics from Australia since the firearm bans went into effect. It is not pretty. Look, you are welcome to live in a society where government can control every aspect of your life if you wish. I prefer to be given the freedom to make my own decisions, and have the ability to protect myself and my family without having to depend on the local police officer to do so. Lets agree to disagree.

 

[tabycat]

Apparently there is a correlation between pro-life, pro-gun ownership and pro-death sentence attitude. There seems to be an inconsistency, to put it politely.

OK, I’m inconsisten by being pro-life, pro-gun ownership, and pro-death sentence. I’m pro-life bucause I’ve been told at least four close relatives should have been aborted because of their mother’s age; pro-gun because most gun death and injury is caused by crooks and gang members; and pro-death sentence for those who kill police/fire officers in the line of duty or when the killer is already in jail.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

I don’t know about over there but here in Australia people are charged with manslaughter if they haven’t got a pool fence that is government standard and a child drowns. The government is in the process of requiring that dams on farms be fenced now. Everytime there is a childs death… the natural response is to place more controls on use of things. In the US gun debate, there seems to be a huge resistance to responding naturally with greater restrictions. Guns are like sacred items and ownership is considered an inalienable right it seems.

See, if the horror stories that you referenced were actually common, and if regulations would actually be helpful, and if said regulations wouldn’t unduly hamper rights to self defense and the like, then you might have a point.

But since regulations are not always helpful, often cause more unintended harm than intended good, and tragedies that you recount aren’t all that common (less common than incidents of poisoning by household chemicals, in fact), then kneejerk ban all guns reactions are completely over the top.

That’s not to say that there aren’t any good ideas for regulations, but I haven’t heard one. Usually it’s “ban all guns.” But if you come up with actual reasonable ways to reduce accidents, by all means put them forward.

 

[Lost_Sheep]

In the US gun debate, there seems to be a huge resistance to responding naturally with greater restrictions. Guns are like sacred items and ownership is considered an inalienable right it seems.

Actually, the right to keep and bear arms is specifically spelled out in the US Constitution.

The the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Article II (commonly known as the “Second Amendment”) states: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98055567

Seems traffic accidents are number one cause of child deaths. Do we ban cars? No, we try to make them safer. Much like how cars don’t drive themselves, guns don’t pull their own triggers. Banning guns, and preventing people from protecting themselves is not the answer…better training to reduce accidental gun deaths is.

We don’t ban cars but:

Cars need to be registered and insured.

One needs a license to drive.

To receive a license, one must prove they can use and operate a car.

Licenses can be suspended due to poor driving record.

Auto insurance can be terminated due to poor driving record.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

But what about registering pools, how about banning them entirely, after all, the government employees can sufficiently swim for us?

If someone went to a beach for some mass swimming, slap them with a felony conviction.

Think of all the children’s lives it would save if pools were banned to all be a few select government employees.

Home owner’s insurance, at least in my area is higher for home owners with an in ground pool.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I was a member of Right to Life in the late 70s/early 80’s and only let my membership lapse in the 80’s when the Americans began bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors. I have always been extremely anti abortion/anti contraception and have recently written to a local newspaper on a current subject regarding abortion.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

There have been a total of 17 murder of abortion doctors in the US and Canada since 1977.

 

[Tigg]

I was a member of Right to Life in the late 70s/early 80’s and only let my membership lapse in the 80’s when the Americans began bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors. I have always been extremely anti abortion/anti contraception and have recently written to a local newspaper on a current subject regarding abortion.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

As if a few rotten apples falling from the tree makes all the fruit bad. Gotcha!

 

[Pulvis]

We don’t ban cars but:

Cars need to be registered and insured.

One needs a license to drive.

To receive a license, one must prove they can use and operate a car.

Licenses can be suspended due to poor driving record.

Auto insurance can be terminated due to poor driving record.

And no one ever drives without a license, or without insurance, or with numerous DUI convictions, right?
Laws, regulations and restrictions only apply to the law abiding. Therein is the problem.
Some of the latest statistics from the DOJ show that a majority of the violent crime in the US is committed by a small percentage of the population in certain major cities. If you were to remove 4 major cities worth of crime stats, the US would be near the bottom in weapon related assaults and homicides. We have a recidivism problem in the US, along with an urban gang problem.
I simply see no valid reason for further government intrusion in the lawful ownership of firearms.