Children innocent from birth? Comparing religions.

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I’m just curious. LDS doctrine says children are innocent and covered by the atonement of Christ. What do other faiths (Catholic, Protestant, etc) believe?

Please note I am posting this thread merely for comparison of religions regarding this belief. Feel free to correct a statement from your own religion if you feel it is false or misleading but If you want to argue whose religion is right please take it to another thread. Thanks
 
I’m just curious. LDS doctrine says children are innocent and covered by the atonement of Christ. What do other faiths (Catholic, Protestant, etc) believe?

Please note I am posting this thread merely for comparison of religions regarding this belief. Feel free to correct a statement from your own religion if you feel it is false or misleading but If you want to argue whose religion is right please take it to another thread. Thanks
I am Lutheran.

Children are born with the inherited fallen nature of Adam; spiritually dead, blind, and under the dominion of sin. Since we believe that the Sacrament of Holy Baptism regenerates the spirit and imputes the righteousness of Christ through faith, we Baptise infants.
 
If children were ‘innocent’ at birth, they would not age and die!

From the moment of disobedience in The Garden, Adam began to die; that was the consequence: DEATH!

Before that moment, Death did not exist!

:cool:
 
Now, we should be clear to say that infants are not born evil. they are born separated from God and with a predisposition to more base acts, i.e. selfish desires and sin. They are not born evil. that takes a choice on the part of the person.
 
Especially in the context of the society in which we live. The strength to stand up to negative social pressures.
 
So if an infant dies before being baptized where do they go according to your doctrine?
 
Our loving Lord, holds the innocents in His hands. He knows! And I don’t play guessing games, I just trust Him.
 
So if an infant dies before being baptized where do they go according to your doctrine?
. . . [W]hile knowing that the normal way to achieve salvation in Christ is by Baptism in re, the Church hopes that there may be other ways to achieve the same end. Because, by his Incarnation, the Son of God “in a certain way united himself” with every human being, and because Christ died for all and all are in fact “called to one and the same destiny, which is divine,” the Church believes that “the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partners, in a way known to God, in the paschal mystery.”
catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0710fea4sb2.asp
 
If we are speaking of non-Christian religions, they do not hold that humans are born in a state of primordial guilt and alienation from God called ‘original sin.’ Even so, other religions do recognise the human condition is frail and even evil and distorted in some ways; all recognise salvation from our present condition is in some sense necessary.
 
If we are speaking of non-Christian religions, they do not hold that humans are born in a state of primordial guilt and alienation from God called ‘original sin.’ Even so, other religions do recognise the human condition is frail and even evil and distorted in some ways; all recognise salvation from our present condition is in some sense necessary.
**You have said something nice. I am a Muslim. We do not believe in he original sin. We do not believe that children are born with some sin. We do not believe that married man and woman when they meet (have intercourse), they are committing any sin. They are married. There is no sin. So any child born out of that meeting is also sinless.

There are many problems with church beliefs. Pardon me. The church needs the original sin so that Jesus will die for the sins of others and save the sinners. We do not believe that at all. We believe that every one will bear his own burden and that every one’s sins can be forgiven by God due to his repentence.

John the baptist and Jesus both were calling people to repent.

Another thing about Adam being a sinner. He was a prophet of God and we believe that all prophets are sinless. The church somehow believes in few prophets only and believes that all prophets are sinners except Jesus. Then they invent some reason for that too. But that could not be anything except some wishful thinking.

Adam made a mistake. He repented. He was forgiven. If he was forgiven by God then how could the effect of his mistake continue. To err is human. Forgiveness divine. Do you agree?

To err is human. Forgiveness divine. This slogan describes much of the matter. It is in the nature of man to make mistakes i.e. to err. That is what Adam did. It was not a sin. A sin is intentional disobediance and arrogance and being adamant on a bad deed.

The first thing is that Adam did not make mistake out of his own will. He was misled. Thattakes most of the air out of the baloon being blown about his sin. There was no sin. On top of that repentence and forgiveness. What does forgiveness mean? Does it mean some joke?

Another thing. The church says that the wages of sin are death. I tell you that whether you sin or do not sin, every one has to die. Adam was not the first man on earth as the bible thinks. He lived about 6000 years ago. There were many men walking about the earth before him and they were living and dying.

Adam was the first man who was given revelation, the knowledge towards spiritualism. The knowledge of God. He was the first prophet. What I am telling you is all from the Quran.

Your bible says something quite different. Coming back to the topic, all children are born innocent. Pardon me if I have butted in by a wrong manner. I wish all of you well.

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You have said something nice. I am a Muslim. We do not believe in he original sin. We do not believe that children are born with some sin.

what we are talking about is a state, not a sin committed by a child.
The church needs the original sin so that Jesus will die for the sins of others and save the sinners.
 
**You have said something nice. I am a Muslim. We do not believe in he original sin. We do not believe that children are born with some sin. We do not believe that married man and woman when they meet (have intercourse), they are committing any sin. They are married. There is no sin. So any child born out of that meeting is also sinless.

There are many problems with church beliefs. Pardon me. The church needs the original sin so that Jesus will die for the sins of others and save the sinners. We do not believe that at all. We believe that every one will bear his own burden and that every one’s sins can be forgiven by God due to his repentence.

John the baptist and Jesus both were calling people to repent.

Another thing about Adam being a sinner. He was a prophet of God and we believe that all prophets are sinless. The church somehow believes in few prophets only and believes that all prophets are sinners except Jesus. Then they invent some reason for that too. But that could not be anything except some wishful thinking.

Adam made a mistake. He repented. He was forgiven. If he was forgiven by God then how could the effect of his mistake continue. To err is human. Forgiveness divine. Do you agree?

To err is human. Forgiveness divine. This slogan describes much of the matter. It is in the nature of man to make mistakes i.e. to err. That is what Adam did. It was not a sin. A sin is intentional disobediance and arrogance and being adamant on a bad deed.

The first thing is that Adam did not make mistake out of his own will. He was misled. Thattakes most of the air out of the baloon being blown about his sin. There was no sin. On top of that repentence and forgiveness. What does forgiveness mean? Does it mean some joke?

Another thing. The church says that the wages of sin are death. I tell you that whether you sin or do not sin, every one has to die. Adam was not the first man on earth as the bible thinks. He lived about 6000 years ago. There were many men walking about the earth before him and they were living and dying.

Adam was the first man who was given revelation, the knowledge towards spiritualism. The knowledge of God. He was the first prophet. What I am telling you is all from the Quran.

Your bible says something quite different. Coming back to the topic, all children are born innocent. Pardon me if I have butted in by a wrong manner. I wish all of you well.

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I am suprised at how much of what you have said is similar to what I believe (LDS). We also believe Adam was the first prophet with the true gospel of christ. We also believe in prophets throughout the ages. We believe Prophets are not necessarily sinless but do have special protection in that God will not allow them to lead the church astray. Thank you very much for your remarks. They have been very enlightening to me in respect to the Muslim religion. I have always heard you shared similar beliefs. I just never knew how similar.
 
Just curious, what is the origin of the concept of ‘original sin’?
 
ADAM??!!

A prophet??!

Are there Scriptures of Adam’s prophecies I am unaware of?!

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In ALL Cases children are innocent by our doctrine. Skin color does not make a difference.
Not according to over a hundred years of statements by your “prophets”. If you guys truly believed we are all born without sin then there never would have been any racist doctrine of the mark of Cain.
 
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