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anp1215
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I saw this statement on the parish website for a Maronite Catholic church and found it interesting. Was wondering if anyone could give me any more information on this/explain this.
Thank you!
Thank you!
"Children of a Maronite Catholic father are Maronite Catholic regardless of the rite they were baptized in"
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malphono
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From CCEO:
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anp1215
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ah thank you very much. Is that only for the Maronite Church or other Eastern Churches as well?
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malphono
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The CCEO applies to all the Eastern/Oriental Churches.
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KathleenElsie
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There are many Catholics that are really not Roman Rite and they don’t know it. They were baptized in a Roman Church, went to school in a Roman school etc. If their father was Eastern Rite then the children are Eastern rite as it follows the male line. So even though it was a male ancestor that was Eastern as long as you follow the line of the males in your genealogy you could actually be Eastern Catholic. 
Took me 60 years to understand this LOL.
Took me 60 years to understand this LOL.
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Joe_Kelley
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And, if you are a member of an Eastern Church, you should be married in that Church.
A few years back I had two Maronite women come to class for adult confirmation. Somehow they were not confirmed when they were baptized. Since the local Maronite parish did not have a class for that, the pastor was happy to have us prepare them, and the Maronite bishop delegated our pastor to confirm them for him and thanked us for our help. However, it was noted that it would require permission from the pope for one of them to be married in a Latin church. Our pastor concelebrated at the wedding.
A few years back I had two Maronite women come to class for adult confirmation. Somehow they were not confirmed when they were baptized. Since the local Maronite parish did not have a class for that, the pastor was happy to have us prepare them, and the Maronite bishop delegated our pastor to confirm them for him and thanked us for our help. However, it was noted that it would require permission from the pope for one of them to be married in a Latin church. Our pastor concelebrated at the wedding.
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Domnall
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This happened to the deacon at my parish. When he was in formation, the Bishop once casually asked him “Are you Lebanese?” To which my deacon responded “yeah.” He continued to say “Which side?” “Both” said my deacon. “Sit down…” responded the bishop
They had to get permisson from the Maronite bishop for him to be ordained in the Roman Church. He was baptized Roman Catholic, but apparently he is still technically Maronite.
He told me this at brunch on Sunday…funny how things are
They had to get permisson from the Maronite bishop for him to be ordained in the Roman Church. He was baptized Roman Catholic, but apparently he is still technically Maronite.
He told me this at brunch on Sunday…funny how things are
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Vico
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It is normal to enter into one’s ritual Church through the rite of Holy Baptism, as it is a visible sign of the bond with the Christian community one is entering, the parish itself. However, this only has this perfect signification if the rite used is that of the ritual Church, which by the canonical norms, is the ritual Church of the father (there are some exceptions). The canons state that the ritual is to be used (normally, there are exceptions) of the ritual Church that one is to be enrolled in.
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5Loaves
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All and the Latin Church as well, as Domnall #7, and Vico #8 indicate in their posts. A child of Latin parents Baptized in any Eastern Catholic Church is still a Latin Catholic. It’s very important that this be noted in the parish records. As Domnall’s post indicates it’s critical for the issue of Holy Orders, and also for marriage (and EC cannot be validly married by a deacon). A person of any age who was baptized in the Latin Church and is Chrismated in an EC Church remains a Latin Catholic. An EC who for some reason wasn’t chrismated at Baptism and is Chrismated as an adult, if Chrismated in a Latin Church is still an EC. There are permissions that are required for the priests to licitly do these sacraments on persons outside their Church.
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5Loaves
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Technically he was not baptized Roman Catholic. He was apparently baptized in the Roman Rite of the Latin Church but as he learned that means he was not “baptized Roman Catholic”. He was still baptized into the Maronite Church.
It’s not so unusual for someone to find this out for the first time when they go to get married or be seek holy orders. I’m surprised it didn’t come up long before his ordination. We had a wonderful Dominican Brother serving as a deacon with us until his ordination to the priesthood. He was UGCC by baptism, although the family practiced in the Latin Church his whole life. When he sought to enter the Dominican Order his canonical status came up and he needed special permission to enter the Order. However he also reclaimed this heritage, much to our joyful benefit while he was with us.
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WetCatechumen
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Personally, seeing how small the Eastern Catholic Churches are (as a member of a Ruthenian Parish and a Maronite Mission - I end up serving, lately, it seems, two Eucharistic liturgies a weekend) I think that all these people should reclaim their Eastern heritage and bolster up their local Eastern parishes.
But that’s an opinion.
But that’s an opinion.
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Domnall
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This is fascinating. He assumed that because he was baptized in the Roman Church, that our deacon was Roman.
He was curious as to whether he could serve as a deacon in the Divine Liturgy. Could he?
He was curious as to whether he could serve as a deacon in the Divine Liturgy. Could he?
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Vico
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To serve as a deacon in the Divine Liturgy of one of the eastern Catholic churches would require becoming a deacon (in service of that ritual Church), which has certain requirements for Holy Orders, just as does the presbyterate. If already a deacon in another ritual Church, it might be possible to serve in another ritual Church, with the proper preparation and approvals from the hierarchy.
There is bi-ritual and also adaptation of rite. A papal indult of adaptation of rite may be obtained from the Congregation for the Eastern Churches to permit a cleric to observe a different rite than of his own Church sui iuris. It is needed because per CCEO Canon 40 we are bound to observe our own rite everywhere and to acquire a greater knowledge of it. (See p. 9, “Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics”, CSLA, by Gallaro).
CCEO Canon 40
- Hierarchs who preside over Churches sui iuris and all other hierarchs are to see most carefully to the faithful protection and accurate observance of their own rite, and not admit changes in it except by reason of its organic progress, keeping in mind, however, mutual goodwill and the unity of Christians.
- Other clerics and members of institutes of consecrated life are bound to observe their own rite faithfully and daily to acquire a greater understanding and a more perfect practice of it.
- Other Christian faithful are also to foster an understanding and appreciation of their own rite, and are held to observe it everywhere unless something is excused by the law.
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anp1215
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Thanks everyone. This “rule” would not apply to a Protestant church though, correct? I’ve never thought so, but this made me wonder. If there was an Eastern Catholic father and he had a son but the son was baptized in a Lutheran church, the son would be considered Lutheran right? What about a child that is given an emergency baptism at the hospital? Are they considered to have been baptized Ukrainian (or Ruthenian, etc) Catholic?
I hope those questions made sense.
I hope those questions made sense.
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Vico
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Will the baptised child (a true Christian) be raised in the Luthern or Catholic church?
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5Loaves
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If I did the emergency Baptism the child would be Russian Greek Catholic since I am according to the canon lawyer who brought this up one day in a discussion.
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CDB1718
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It does not follow non-catholic baptisms. If a child only has one Catholic parent, the Catholic parent’s church is the only church the child can belong to. If the child was baptized Lutheran and raised Lutheran, he could move over into the mother’s church at any time before age 14 and start receiving the sacraments there. After age 14, the child would need to convert.
A child given an emergency baptism would belong to the father’s church if the parents were married. If the parents weren’t married and the mother was Eastern, the child would belong to the mother’s church. If unmarried and the parents Roman, the child would be Roman. I don’t know how the competing canons deal with an unmarried Byzantine mother with a Roman father. If the parents aren’t in the child’s life, the person who will be giving the child formation is whose church the child belongs to. I do not think this extends to a crisis situation like a nurse who is caring for the child for a few hours or weeks in the hospital. This would cover situations like grandparents raising a child, an orphan, or a neighbor who has permission to take a non-religious couple’s child to church and to provide the child’s religious formation.
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