Children of Emotionally Abusive Catholic Parents

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I’m a 22 year old female Catholic who is just coming to terms that her Catholic mom is emotionally abusive.

As a cradle Catholic, the acceptance has been both liberating and terrifying for my faith. My mother is a devout, devout Catholic, so I feel very abusive for my labeling her as “abusive.”

I have felt like I have been walking on eggshells my whole life. At an early age, I would develop scrupulousness and low self-esteem. I’m still very insecure. I showed signs of depression and ADD ever since my young teens, but my mom only dismissed me as someone “selifsh,” “ungrateful”, and “lacking in humility.” These words have ricocheted in my head throughout my childhood and well into my adulthood.

I have tried to talk to her before, multiple times. The language barrier (I’m a 1st gen Vietnamese-American) presents difficulties, but only before she steamrolls me and calls me an unfaithful Christian again. I am not allowed to talk back. That would be a sign of my disobedience. If I cry, she yells at me louder for “being a baby” and “an egoist.” I sit and internalize.

My father has shown me unconditional affection, unlike my mom, but is still complicit. When I start telling him, in tears sometimes, about my struggles, he simply says I’ll “be okay” and to understand my mom.

At the suggestions of priests at the confessional, I found counseling and medication in school. I just graduated from a university and have been living at home for the past couple of months looking for work. These have been some of the hardest months of my life. My parents have moved two hours away from home, so I very seldom saw my friends. At the strict upbringing of my parents, I am just getting my license at 22. The isolation and loneliness, coupled with no medication or counseling, has been a nightmare.

In these months, I would drink at inappropriate times, smoke cigarettes, listen to music with very subversive lyrics, self-mutilate… anything to feel better. Of course, I felt very guilty about all of this. These were all reactions to my intense loneliness and shame. I started to sympathize with individuals who have been rejected a “bad influence.” Inside, we’re all simply hurting. Perhaps many of them were also raised by religious, but emotionally abusive parents.

Thankfully, I have recently been hired for a paralegal job at a very renown firm in a city far away from my parents, but so much damage has already been done. My mother was happier than I was. Before, she vocally complained about what a disappointment my situation was. How she supported me at a prestigious insitution, only for me to be a spoiled post-graduate living at home.

**So, in the midst of all my whining, I just want to reach out to the community to ask this: **

Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain?
Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.
 
You know better than anyone why the Lord was so hard on religious authorities of whom he said “They tie up heavy burdens (hard to carry) and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them.” (Matt. 23:4) and “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and every kind of filth. Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing.” (Matt. 23:27-28)

You are not doomed to be a bad parent nor a fearful Catholic, but you will need help to get free of the twists your mother has put into your view of reality. You deserve it. Your father probably deserves it, your mother may even deserve it, but as the airlines say, you have to put your own oxygen mask on before you can help anyone else. Your mother thinks “oxygen” is the wrong choice. She’s wrong, though. She may mean well, that is true, but her advice is deadly. Continue trying to stay off of her radar and to gain yourself a living situation where you can “breathe freely.” Once you have that, dealing with the rest of what you have to cope with will become possible. Until then, concentrate on getting oxygen where you can–that is, keep your mind as free as possible from her suggestions.
 
Praying to the Holy Spirit to give you guidance, direction, strength, fortitude & wisdom in your time of need. Praying for you & your family.
 
…Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain?
Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.
Recovered? I’m not sure that one really *recovers *from such things. What I’ve found is that one has to accept that you cannot change the past and then work to a point where you don’t put up with it anymore. Of course, the trick is doing this without going overboard and lashing out at others, but you have to carve out for yourself a part of you that other people can’t crash in on.

Don’t be frightened of having your own children. There’s absolutely no reason to be, and you have to remember that there are two people in a marriage. Sometimes your future husband will be there to keep you in check, other times you’ll be there for him. In both instances, you help each other work towards the self-sacrifice of parenthood. It is through this most proper order of things that anyone perseveres in the vocation of marriage.

Finally, regardless of whether or not your Catholic faith has come about as a result of fear or love, work to understand it. Frankly, it’s sometimes the only anchor in life one has available to them.
 
Not sure if my post from a few days ago “Wanting Childless Marriage…” would help you in any way, but I do want to let you know you’re not the only one dealing with an issue like this, as I am too, somewhat.

I don’t want to sound self-righteous, but I do hope that any parents reading this thread, or the thread I posted, and who may be treating their children this way come to realize what kind of psychological damage it does to them, and that it lasts well into adulthood.
 
EstherTherese,

I understand where you are coming from.

My mother is also a devout Catholic who was also emotionally abusive. She had a severe untreated mental illness. Still she could recite the Baltimore Catechism from beginning to end. Her illness prevented her from truly understanding God’s love and integrating it into her life.

After college I moved far away from home so I could recover. It was through the Eucharist, contemplative prayer, christian community and professional counseling that I healed and learned how to have a healthy faith

Your notes:

Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain? Yes, Yes, Yes!!!

Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

-This could be. You may need to ask God to help you understand His grace and love in an authentic way.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.

-I am breaking the cycle in my family. Generations before me did not pass on a healthy spiritual or emotional legacy. When I was 22 I did not want to be a mom either because I had no sense of motherhood. I almost became a nun which would have been a bad choice for me. God brought lots of healing into my life. I did battle severe depression but I am well now.
 
I don’t want to sound self-righteous, but I do hope that any parents reading this thread, or the thread I posted, and who may be treating their children this way come to realize what kind of psychological damage it does to them, and that it lasts well into adulthood.
I absolutely agree. I hope other parents see this.

I hope they realize that using their spirituality to justify control and guilt does not result in conscience formation or discipline. Children of this type of parenting suffer from anxieties, resentment, and low self-esteem.

I still struggle with the priests and parish members on this matter. Those who see a young adults thinking for themselves as something of sinful self-interest and neglect. I was taught that thinking for myself was wrong. I never learned to stand up for myself. This only resulted in others taking advantage of me.

Don’t get me started on unfruitful discussions on mental health with the community…
 
Sometimes the culture of origin has a lot to do with it as well. Immigrants have been through a lot and sometimes have had to be strong at the expense of emotional sensitivity in order to survive. They also feel a need to transfer this “toughen up” attitude to their offspring. It can even filter down several generations. I come from German immigrant stock on my father’s side and the priest I grew up with was of that strict German outlook. I developed a lot of the problems such as scrupulosity that you describe. It took me some years to forgive that priest for not realizing how I was strugglling - and even to appreciate his good qualities.

It sounds to me from what you write that you’re a very mature person already and are allowing God’s grace to work within you to be able to “forgive them Father, for they know not what they do” - and that is going to free you from a lot of struggle in the long run. 👍 Just remember it’s not an overnight process. I think you’re on your way, and getting a start early enough in life that you’ll get there. :blessyou:
 
**So, in the midst of all my whining, I just want to reach out to the community to ask this: **

Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain?
Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.
Yes.

I had one sane parent - my mom - and one abusive and immoral parent - my father.

I am a recovering alcoholic, a faithful Catholic, a lay Dominican, happy and whole.

It takes hard work, dedication to Our Lord in the Eucharist, following your doctor’s orders and never giving up on yourself.

I am so glad you will be moving out of there soon. You can do this…I believe in you!
 
**So, in the midst of all my whining, I just want to reach out to the community to ask this: **
😦 Oh EstherTherese, it’s not whining and I’m glad you have reached out.
Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain?
Yes.
My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.
Do different and I believe you will have different. I believe the way to end the cycle is to forgive, forgiveness I believe is the answer.

I hope you don’t mind if I share with you a previous post on forgiveness that I believe may help.

Part 1
Part 2

I would also like to share a little bit of what I have learned about God’s love and mercy.

Sacred Heart of Jesus Image - (St Margaret-Mary Alacoque)

http://s7.postimg.org/4jx43bm1n/Christ_7.jpg

Jesus to St Margaret-Mary Alacoque -

**"Behold this Heart which has loved men so much that it has spared nothing, even to exhausting **(Crucifixion) and consuming itself (Last Supper, Eucharist) in order to testify to them it’s love."

Divine Mercy Image - St. Faustina

http://s8.postimg.org/422f1cyxh/Christ_9.jpg

Jesus to St Faustina -

"These two rays issued forth from the very depths of My tender mercy when My agonized Heart was opened by a lance on the Cross." (Diary, 299)

"My Heart overflows with great mercy for souls, and especially for poor sinners. If only they could understand that I am the best of Fathers to them and that it is for them that the Blood and Water flowed from My Heart as from a fount overflowing with mercy. For them I dwell in the tabernacle as King of Mercy. I desire to bestow My graces upon souls, but they do not want to accept them. You, at least, come to Me as often as possible and take these graces they do not want to accept. In this way you will console My Heart. Oh, how indifferent are souls to so much goodness, to so many proofs of love! My heart drinks only of the ingratitude and forgetfulness of souls living in the world. They have time for everything, but they have no time to come to Me for graces." (Diary, 367).

"My mercy is greater than your sins and those of the entire world. Who can measure the extent of my goodness? For you I descended from heaven to earth; for you I allowed myself to be nailed to the cross; for you I let my Sacred Heart be pierced with a lance, thus opening wide the source of mercy for you. Come, then, with trust to draw graces from this fountain. I never reject a contrite heart." (Diary, 1485).

**“My daughter, know that My Heart is mercy itself. From this sea of mercy, graces flow out upon the whole world. No soul that has approached Me has ever gone away unconsoled. All misery gets buried in the depths of My mercy, and every saving and sanctifying grace flows from this fountain…” **(Diary, 1777).

http://s28.postimg.org/6bvy5pai5/Prodigal_Son.jpg
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

I want to teach sinners that because they have sinned, they should not distance themselves from Me thinking that they no longer have recourse and that they will never be loved as before they sinned. Poor souls! These are not the feelings of a God who has shed all His Blood for you. Come to Me all of you and fear not, because I love you. I will cleanse you with My Blood and you will be as white as snow. I will drown your sins in the water of My Mercy and nothing will be able to snatch from My Heart the Love that I have for you.
Jesus to Catalina:
The Great Crusade of Mercy - loveandmercy.org/Eng-CM-Reg.pdf

**I want to talk to you about My Mercy; I want to teach you Mercy; I want you to preach My Mercy. But in order to speak of it, you need to feel love because a person who does not love, cannot know Mercy.
  1. If you love, it is because I loved you first; just as I am Love. Whoever knows how to love remains in Me and I in him. My Father did not send Me as an offering for you to love Me, but because My Father is Love and I am one with My Father. Therefore, understand that nothing is sweeter than love, for it proceeds from the One who is the Creator of everything.
  2. And so, if you want to be merciful to your fellow human being, first you have to love and be compassionate to that person and if you want to receive Mercy, you must let yourself be loved. Mercy is the chain that unites with love, for one cannot love without being merciful. Understand that My love is without measure, it does not feel burdensome, nor does it value effort, it is simply given. You, on the other hand, are weak in love and imperfect in virtue; you are in need of My strength and of My comfort.**
Jesus to Catalina:
The Great Crusade of Mercy - loveandmercy.org/Eng-CM-Reg.pdf

11) Mercy is love, My child. It is union with God and union with God is the certitude of victory and an everlasting abundance of virtues. Mercy is the unquestionable proof of love for Me.
“He who knows how to forgive prepares for himself many graces from God. As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.” - St Faustina

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Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**"Contemplate My wounds and see if there is anyone who has suffered as much as I, to show their love…

"Contemplate for a moment these bloodstained hands and feet… This naked body, covered with wounds, with urine, and blood. Dirty… This head punctured by sharp thorns, soaked in sweat, full of dust, and covered in Blood…

"Contemplate your Jesus, hanging on the Cross, without being able to make the slightest movement… naked, without fame, without honor, without liberty…

"Contemplate Me in the image of the Christ that weeps and bleeds. There and in this way the world has Me**
http://s24.postimg.org/s91lh9u91/Crucifixion.jpg
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**1) …Look at Me, My beloved ones. Letting Myself be led with the meekness of a lamb to the terrible torture of the scourging. On My Body, already covered with blows and overwhelmed with fatigue, the executioners cruelly discharge terrible lashes with braided rope, with rods. They punish Me so violently that there was no part of Me which was not prey to the most terrible pain… The blows and the kicks caused Me countless wounds… The rods tore away pieces of My skin and flesh. Blood flowed from all My limbs. Time after time I fell because of the pain caused by the blows to My manliness. My Body was in such a state that I resembled a monster more than a man. The features of My face had lost their shape; it was all swollen.
  1. The thought of so many souls, who would later be inspired to follow My footsteps, consumed Me with Love.**
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**5) The fatigue that I feel is so great and the Cross so heavy that halfway along the path, I fall from weakness. See how those inhuman men lift Me up in the most brutal manner. One grabs My arm, another pulls My clothes that are stuck to My wounds, tearing them open again… This one grabs Me by the neck, another by the hair; others discharge dreadful blows to My whole Body, with their fists, and even with their feet. The Cross falls upon Me and with its weight causes new wounds. My face is scraped by the stones in the road and the blood which runs down My face sticks to My eyes that are almost closed because of the blows they have received. The dust and the mud mingle with the blood and I am turned into the most repugnant of objects.
  1. My Father sends Angels to help support Me so that My Body does not lose consciousness when it falls, so that the battle may not be won before its time and all My souls are lost.
  2. I walk over the stones that destroy My feet. I stumble and fall time and time again. I look at both sides of the road, searching for the slightest look of love, of surrender, of union with My pain, but… I do not see anyone.
  3. My children, you who follow in My footsteps, do not let go of your cross no matter how heavy it seems to you. Do it for Me because by carrying your cross, you will help Me carry Mine, and on the difficult path, you will find My Mother and the holy souls who will give you encouragement and comfort.**
The Gospel of John 13:34-35:
The New Commandment

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Paraphrased from the book 'The Seven Riddles of Life' by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen:
The First Riddle: Hate

“Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

The first of life’s riddles is why there should be anger, hate, and persecution in a world made by love. The answer given most often is that men still bear within themselves the traces of their animal origin, and that to preserve one’s life, one must seek an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Calvary’s answer to this riddle is quite different. It reveals that hate comes from evil men who cannot stand the reproach of goodness because it makes demands upon them that they are unwilling to accept. The more intense the evil, the greater the fear of goodness. That is why supreme Goodness is nailed to a cross. Most of that crowd on Calvary expected the divine Savior to curse and blaspheme as all other condemned men had done. And if there was ever anyone who had a right to protest against injustice it was He whom the wife of a Roman judge had called “the just man.”
Gospel of Luke:
Jesus Sentenced to Death
13 Pilate then called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, 14 and said to them, “You brought me this man as one who was perverting the people; and after examining him before you, behold, I did not find this man guilty of any of your charges against him; 15 neither did Herod, for he sent him back to us. Behold, nothing deserving death has been done by him; 16 I will therefore chastise him and release him.”

18 But they all cried out together, “Away with this man, and release to us Barab′bas”— 19 a man who had been thrown into prison for an insurrection started in the city, and for murder. 20 Pilate addressed them once more, desiring to release Jesus; 21 but they shouted out, “Crucify, crucify him!” 22 A third time he said to them, “Why, what evil has he done? I have found in him no crime deserving death; I will therefore chastise him and release him.” 23 But they were urgent, demanding with loud cries that he should be crucified. And their voices prevailed. 24 So Pilate gave sentence that their demand should be granted. 25 He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, whom they asked for; but Jesus he delivered up to their will.
Jesus to Catalina:
**Crowned with thorns and covered with a purple mantle, the soldiers presented Me again to Pilate. Not finding a crime that he could punish Me for, Pilate was looking for a way to set Me free. In the pitiable condition that I was in, Pilate showed Me to the mob. He proposed to give Me liberty and condemn Barrabas, a famous thief and murderer. The people shouted back: “Crucify Him and set Barrabas free!”

Souls who love Me, see how they have compared Me to a criminal. How they have lowered Me more than the worst criminal. Meditate for a moment upon the unspeakable martyrdom of My Heart: My Heart degraded beneath the heart of Barrabas. I am the most despised of men, and I am being condemned to death like an infamous criminal. Pilate has pronounced sentence. My little children, consider attentively how My Heart suffered…**

And yet at that moment when a tree of His own creation turned against his own creation turned against Him and became a cross, when the iron of His Earth reacted against Him and became nails, when roses rebelled against Him and became thorns, at that second when a sickle and a hammer combined to cut down the weeds on Calvary’s hill to erect a gallows and drive nails through hands to render impotent the blessings of love incarnate , He, like a tree which bathes in perfume the ax which kills it, lets fall from His lips for the Earth’s first hearing and answer to the riddle of hate and anger: “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

Behind these words was a lifetime of teaching as to why we should forgive those who hate us. First, because God has forgiven us greater sins than our enemies have ever committed against us. The man who thinks he has no need of pardon is apt to be the most unforgiving of men. Only the merciful will ever receive mercy. Only the forgiven will ever be forgiven.

And the second reason for forgiving is to prevent the multiplication of hate, which is a seed and grows like a weed. If a number of men are standing in a line and the first slaps the cheek of the second, and the second the third, the only way to stop hate would be for one man in that crowd to turn his other cheek. By doing so he would say, “If I hate you, I add my quota to the sum total of the world’s hate. This I refuse to do. I will kill your hate. I will drive it even from the face of the Earth. And I will do it by loving you.”

The real test, then, of the Christian is not how much he loves his friends (for do not the heathens do this? Matthew 5:43-48) but, rather, how much he loves his enemies.

But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

We love because He first loved us. 1 John 4:19

God cannot write on the pages of a heart when they are covered with the scribbling of hate. But he can write straight even with crooked lines on the blank page of he who loves. For by putting love where we do not find it, then everyone becomes lovable.
I would also like to recommend the following book as I believe it may help greatly -

The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ - Anne Catherine Emmerich - 2heartsnetwork.org/Dolorous-Passion.pdf

Jesus to St. Faustina -

"I give great graces to souls who meditate devoutly on My Passion." (Diary, 737)

I’m sorry for the length of my post, I just very much wanted to share this with you and I hope this has helped.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Dear One, Yes you can certainly recover from an abusive mother. It is very good that you are moving to another city. The first step is to create some healthy boundaries. Also you should get a copy of the book “Boundaries” . In addition to that please talk to a therapist. You need extra guidance and reassurance to avoid the fear , obligation and guilt that your mother hurls at you. Don’t participate in the abuse by abusing yourself with cutting, drugs, alcohol etc. Get the emotional help that you need. You are deserving of love and kindness from your mother but for whatever reason she is just not capable. Pray for her as a n act of mercy.
Also keep attending Mass and go to confession when needed. Jesus does not want you to be abused and it is very good to make yourself emotionally, physically and spiritually healthy. Good luck and always know that God loves you very much! You have your whole life ahead of you so make it a good one!
 
**So, in the midst of all my whining, I just want to reach out to the community to ask this: **

Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain?
Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.
(((EstherTherese)))

There have been a number of threads here about such parents, so I know a number of people here are experiencing similar difficulties. Your story reads very much like my own, short of the language barrier. Throw in the messed up dynamics of my father being an alcoholic. And yes, they’re ‘devout’ Catholics. My mother is on every guild and cleans the church (and talks incessantly about how awful everyone else is…); my father as far as I know goes to daily Mass these last few years. And yes, I’m told all my flaws and faults ad nauseum.

I can remember going home for visits (making great effort to drive kids 1700 miles so my parents could have a relationship with their grandchildren), and literally feeling suicidal within ten minutes of arriving, because my mother was all over my back that fast.

My answer, when I was 23, was to move as far away across the country as I could. It was at this site that I was told ‘physical distance is the only answer to toxic people.’

When I moved back many years later, I found nothing had changed.

What are your prospects for moving out? For moving at least two or three hours away so you can limit contact?

There’s counseling, there are groups like al-anon which, while you’re maybe not dealing with alcoholism, I really think a lot of their ideas and their support work well for any difficult, toxic person.

Your dad is partially right (maybe) in that there may be a huge cultural divide in how your mother believed children should be raised vs. our approach today. Some understanding of her does help. Some of the best advice I got was from a counselor who specializes in EMDR (therapy for post traumatic stress), who told me to regard my parents as ‘impaired,’ to simply view them as I would an alien from a distant planet, whose ways I do not fathom, but, hey, it says nothing about me.

I’ve put together things my mother has said and realized she’s been a self-pitying, jealous sort since she was a child. None of her personality problems say anything about me.

I’ve tried to talk to my father about some of these issues, before cutting contact all together. I tried to change my relationship with my mother–to make more effort for her, to change the conversations to something more positive, etc. When all these things failed, I finally went no contact–but I’m glad I tried them first, and I would always recommend just limiting contact first to see if that helps.

I also strongly suggest getting out there to do things you love–volunteer work, a social group, a hobby or interest group. Meet people who see the good in you and surround yourself with them. Even if you reach out online for some interest group and make friends online, it can make all the difference in the world. It possibly saved my life to find such a group, and realize that outside of my family, people ACTUALLY LIKE ME!!! It put so many things in perspective.

Best of luck. I’ll be praying for you, and feel free to PM anytime if you want to talk.
 
BTW…Catholicism and parents…

If I had based my faith on them, I would be absolutely anything but Catholic. I know atheists, pagans, and people of some pretty wild lifestyles (politely put) who have shown a great deal more kindness and character than my parents. Sad but true. 😦

BUT…I base my Catholicism on the theology and teachings of the Catholic faith, on its history, on my belief that it is truly the Church founded by Jesus. And I remember that I also know some very unpleasant atheists, etc., and some very, very good Catholics.

I’m just saying, if you haven’t already, dig into the teachings themselves. Then maybe you’ll be sure your faith is legitimate, not just a reaction of fear to your mother.😦
 
(((EstherTherese)))

There have been a number of threads here about such parents, so I know a number of people here are experiencing similar difficulties. Your story reads very much like my own, short of the language barrier. Throw in the messed up dynamics of my father being an alcoholic. And yes, they’re ‘devout’ Catholics. My mother is on every guild and cleans the church (and talks incessantly about how awful everyone else is…); my father as far as I know goes to daily Mass these last few years. And yes, I’m told all my flaws and faults ad nauseum.

I can remember going home for visits (making great effort to drive kids 1700 miles so my parents could have a relationship with their grandchildren), and literally feeling suicidal within ten minutes of arriving, because my mother was all over my back that fast.

My answer, when I was 23, was to move as far away across the country as I could. It was at this site that I was told ‘physical distance is the only answer to toxic people.’

When I moved back many years later, I found nothing had changed.

What are your prospects for moving out? For moving at least two or three hours away so you can limit contact?
A dark moment, but I chuckled when you mentioned that your mother talks incessantly on how awful everyone is. How relatable. I’ve had to listen to countless rants from my mother about other members of the church community, those who care far too much appearances, hypocrites, etc. Of course, her peers know nothing about how she shames and puts me down everyday.

I’m moving, far, far away to the east coast (I’m in California) for a job at a prestigious firm. My mom, as her conditional love has always shown, was overjoyed that she no longer had to feel ashamed about my unemployed self. I’m happy just to leave my parent’s house.

Also, I relate to “feeling suicidal” when I’m about to see my parents after a while. Days before, I have to prepare myself for the inevitable verbal abuse, criticisms, and crying.

Do you struggle with guilt when criticizing your parents? I was in a lot of denial about my upbringing, assuming that my thoughts about my mother were sinful.
 
A dark moment, but I chuckled when you mentioned that your mother talks incessantly on how awful everyone is. How relatable. I’ve had to listen to countless rants from my mother about other members of the church community, those who care far too much appearances, hypocrites, etc.
Sometimes all we *can *do is chuckle at human foibles. :rolleyes: It’s either that or cry.
Also, I relate to “feeling suicidal” when I’m about to see my parents after a while. Days before, I have to prepare myself for the inevitable verbal abuse, criticisms, and crying.
Do you struggle with guilt when criticizing your parents? I was in a lot of denial about my upbringing, assuming that my thoughts about my mother were sinful.
Interesting question. I guess I don’t feel I’m criticizing them, because what I’m saying is true, and I generally only talk about it if there’s a reason to–such as here, where maybe I have anything helpful to say. My closest friends know this stuff has gone on. But I say nothing to my children, relatives, co-workers, etc. I talk about the positive things in my life and other things going on.

I regard them (my parents) as broken people with their own issues to deal with, from whom I had to separate myself for my own and my children’s well-being. I pray for them. And I try to lead my own life with some semblance of peace and not badmouth other people as my mother does.
 
EstherTherese,

I understand where you are coming from.

My mother is also a devout Catholic who was also emotionally abusive. She had a severe untreated mental illness. Still she could recite the Baltimore Catechism from beginning to end. Her illness prevented her from truly understanding God’s love and integrating it into her life.

After college I moved far away from home so I could recover. It was through the Eucharist, contemplative prayer, christian community and professional counseling that I healed and learned how to have a healthy faith

Your notes:

Have people recovered from such confusing, lasting pain? Yes, Yes, Yes!!!

Growing into my adulthood, I wonder if my Catholicism has been a result of fear, not love. Blind submission, not loving worship.

-This could be. You may need to ask God to help you understand His grace and love in an authentic way.

My mom confessed to me that she had a very difficult relationship with her own mother. As much as I try to uphold Catholic family values, I am frightened of having my own children. Children who may have severe depression as me and who will have to endure my own, ineffective parenting.

-I am breaking the cycle in my family. Generations before me did not pass on a healthy spiritual or emotional legacy. When I was 22 I did not want to be a mom either because I had no sense of motherhood. I almost became a nun which would have been a bad choice for me. God brought lots of healing into my life. I did battle severe depression but I am well now.
Thank you for reaching out to me. Did you question the Church’s teachings at some point during your recovery? I’ve become jaded at the call to complete surrender and obedience. Although I believe in self-sacrifice, I’ve become jaded with my upbringing where I was discouraged from having any original thoughts or desires.
 
Thank you for reaching out to me. Did you question the Church’s teachings at some point during your recovery? I’ve become jaded at the call to complete surrender and obedience. Although I believe in self-sacrifice, I’ve become jaded with my upbringing where I was discouraged from having any original thoughts or desires.
Did you question the Church’s teachings at some point during your recovery?

Yes I did. If you would like to talk about it you can PM me.
 
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