Children of God - are we really?

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Correct! I don’t understand why people insist that we’re going to remain bodiless ghosts!

We say this at Mass:

“I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen”
 
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Mtdobbs said:
I think it’s dangerous to not view everyone as children of God.
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I don’t care what you think, I care what the Catholic church infallibly teaches. And she teaches that until we are baptised we are not children of God as a result of original sin. This is not a matter of opinion.
 
We are NOT children of God until baptism! Why is this so hard to understand?

John 1:12 - But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

Romans 8:14 - For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sonsf of God.

Catechism 1213 - Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God.

Stop denying this Catholic truth.
 
whyeyeman said:
Stop denying this Catholic truth.
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Was Pope Pius XII denying Catholic truth when he said , " Even when they abandoned their Creator, God did not cease to regard them as His children…this truth which associates men as brothers in one great family,…A marvelous vision, which makes us see the human race in the unity of one common origin in God “one God and Father of all” ?
 
I wonder what would motivate someone to express such outrage and indignation that non-baptized people might be categorized as God’s children in some spiritual sense.
 
Yes, there is a weird phrase in use in modern times that defines every one as a “child” of God in the sense thG God created them, but that is rather metaphorical and rather inaccurate theologically.
 

You’re only half correct…

Remember the Bosom of Abraham? All those righteous people died before any Sacraments and Jesus opened Heaven to them.

“At all times and in every race, anyone who fears God and does what is right has been acceptable to him. He has, however, willed to make men holy and save them, not as individuals without any bond or link between them, but rather to make them into a people who might acknowledge him and serve him in holiness.”

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm

Genesis 1:27

“So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.”

1 Timothy 2:4

“who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

We’re not called to religious indifference but to Evangelize and bring everyone to the truth that is the Catholic Church!
 
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whyeyeman said:
Yes, there is a weird phrase in use in modern times that defines every one as a “child” of God in the sense thG God created them, but that is rather metaphorical and rather inaccurate theologically.
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So would you say that Pope Pius XII was inaccurate theoloigally ?

He said ," Even when they abandoned their Creator, God did not cease to regard them as His children…this truth which associates men as brothers in one great family,…A marvelous vision, which makes us see the human race in the unity of one common origin in God “one God and Father of all”
 
I can only assume that is an inaccurate translation because it is theologically incorrect.
 
whyeyeman said:
I can only assume that is an inaccurate translation because it is theologically incorrect.
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Oh no .

It’s from the Vatican website , so you will have to inform the Vatican it has inaccurately translated this encyclical of Pope Pius XII .
 
whyeyeman said:
I wonder what would motivate someone to express such outrage and indignation at my expression of a Catholic teaching. Upon baptism, we become God’s children. Simple.
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Do you actually care about God’s children, or are you offended that “liberals” are destroying your idealized version of what it means to be God’s children?

What’s the purpose of this thread? All we’re seeing is venting about a technicality.
 
The title of this thread is “Children of God”, not “The importance of baptism”.

For some reason, you find it irreconcilable that non-baptized people can be called children of God.

Baptism is not something we lord over others and use as tool to separate ourselves as being better.
 
We can be called children of God in more than one sense, not just through baptism. We can be called children of God because we are all made in His image and His likeness.

We seem to be looking at it from different perspectives. Yours is based on people being baptized, which isn’t incorrect. I’m not saying you are wrong theologically. I’m saying that if we don’t view others as children of God (made in His image and likeness) we risk viewing people negatively. During the crusades, Muslims were looked upon as “not children of God” which would make it easier to wage a crusade against them. If we say “they aren’t children of God” or if we don’t actively try to see Christ in our brothers and sisters, it is “easy” to view them negatively or with hostility. Pride becomes easy. Self entitlement becomes easy.

In no way am I saying baptism is unnecessary, because it is. I’m just saying, for me personally, it’s better to view others as children of God, so I don’t think of myself as better, holier, more worthy than them.
 
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I just asked my 9 year old daughter, who goes to a private Catholic school, this question and here is her response.

“Of course we’re all children of God. Baptism might make us more fully children of God but we are still His children. If a mother and father have a child and that child hates them and wants nothing to do with them, the child is still their child. The child is still loved by its parents and was still created by them.“

Leave it to my 9 year old daughter to give a pretty amazing argument. This is the importance of “faith like a child”
 
Baptism give us something called ‘Sanctifying Grace’ - which opens heaven’s door and pleases God. But we are undeniably “children of God” even without baptism and without knowledge that baptism is critical to obtain God’s grace.
 
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Jesus called us “His Children” which was hardly modern times. He is also called “The Good Shepard” for all mankind. ALL people are the “Children of God” because he formed each and every one of us -baptism simply allowed sanctifying grace to enter our lives to please God even further.

I think we all have missed the point of my article which is ABORTION! Are we avoiding this subject? The millions of killed babies are and were Children of God as well.
 
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