children out of wedlock

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There are many Catholics like me who believe in the bible and the view of the church. I teach religious education and am tired of the cafeteria Catholics. I attend church every week, usually more than once.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
So you accept that most people do it, but you treat the few who get pregnant as extra bad sinners, despite the teaching of your church that children are a blessing and that sinners need love and support. If that’s an ok attitude then why does the catholic church try to provide support for single pregnant women?

Furthermore you have no idea if a single parent has repented or not.

Frankly I think that this is an issue you should discuss with your priest. If he’s anything like the ones I’ve known he’ll have a lot of thoughts on the matter.
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I definitely agree to that.
 
samjustyan said:
He and his wife are friends and she has a new partner also, but nonetheless, we still wont be able to get married. Instead of spending so much time and money for annulment, we want to spend it for the children’s future and we’re happy of what we have now. We love each other and that’s important and I believe we’re as happy as some of those married couples:)
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Until you decide to pay for and go through a civil annulment like your brothers do in other nations when they divorce and then go through a church tribunal then they will judge you. And it seems your local priest will not baptize your children until they come of age and request it.
 
TeachCatechism said:
There are many Catholics like me who believe in the bible and the view of the church. I teach religious education and am tired of the cafeteria Catholics. I attend church every week, usually more than once.
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If that’s true then I find it very sad, as it seems that you don’t even understand the basic nature of Catholicism and it’s most basic values. Catholics are not to be prideful about their faith. Rather they see it as a gift from god, not a personal accomplishment that puts them above others.
 
TeachCatechism said:
There are many Catholics like me who believe in the bible and the view of the church. I teach religious education and am tired of the cafeteria Catholics. I attend church every week, usually more than once.
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See my answer above. I believe in the Bible, too, attend Mass weekly, and hardly think that treating others with charity falls into the category of “cafeteria Catholicism.”

Speaking of the bible, how would you reply to Mark 2? (I hit the wrong key in my original post about this–said Mark 7 instead of Mark 2, and it’s too late to edit the post.) Or Matthew 25? Or John 8?

Christ ate with prostitutes, who were (objectively speaking, though we can’t know, of course, the precise state of their souls) in mortal sin. He told a woman who had committed adultery–again, objectively speaking, in mortal sin–that he did not condemn her, but to go and sin no more. Of course, He didn’t hire the prostitutes, and he didn’t make a lustful remark to the adulterous woman. Instead, he treated them lovingly and with respect, and showed them by deed and speech how they should behave. Surely we can but follow His example?

You have not replied to any of these Bible verses, nor the examples I stated of saints who showed kindness to sinners without affirming them in their sins.

Out of curiosity, have you ever read the first few chapters of Les Miserables? It was, as it often is, the great kindness, love, and generosity of one man which saved another man’s soul, and through him, many more.

Of course the right thing is not to have premarital sex. It’s also the right thing to never have a lustful thought, never look at someone lustfully, never take God’s name in vain, never speak harshly or unjustly to someone, never think uncharitably about someone, never lose one’s temper with one’s children. These are all sins, several of them are mortal, and most of us have committed one or more of these sins at one time or another. The Church is made of sinners. Even the greatest saints were sinners! That doesn’t excuse the behavior; it means that we must strive to avoid that which is wrong and to do that which is good. Imitating Christ in His interactions with public sinners might be a good start.
 
I do treat people charitably but the fact is if people keep sinning and don’t change their life their is little hope for them.
 
TeachCatechism said:
I do treat people charitably but the fact is if people keep sinning and don’t change their life their is little hope for them.
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True, but you don’t know whether they will be redeemed–or what part you might play in helping them come to Christ.
 
TeachCatechism said:
There are many Catholics like me who believe in the bible and the view of the church. I teach religious education and am tired of the cafeteria Catholics. I attend church every week, usually more than once.
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You might want to look up Luke 18:11-12.
 
TeachCatechism said:
I do treat people charitably but the fact is if people keep sinning and don’t change their life their is little hope for them.
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That actually has nothing to do with your attitude that you’re too good to associate with them.

You also have yet to address anyone’s points, especially the ones that are founded in Catholic teaching.
 
TeachCatechism said:
I do treat people charitably but the fact is if people keep sinning and don’t change their life their is little hope for them.
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Proverbs 24:16 (NIV) ~ Though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again.

Actually thats my answer to the entire thread.
 
Honestly, if TeachCatechism’s attitude was common, I’d thank my lucky stars not to be part of the same religion. Life is too short to waste time lambasting other people for past mistakes, especially since the majority of people have plenty of current mistakes of their own to worry about. So what if someone has five kids by four people. The kids are already born and there’s nothing that can be done about it now, why flog the dead horse? Maybe there are circumstances that no one knows about. For instance, I have a good friend that I grew up with who had a baby at 14 and was slut-shamed about it for years afterwards. The thing is, it wasn’t even her fault. She was brutally sexually abused by a family member and so psychologically traumatized that it was years before she could even talk about it without having a panic attack. So, for years, this girl had to put up with people disapproving of her and slut-shaming her even though it wasn’t even her fault. It bears remembering that there are some pretty terrible stories in the world and we don’t always have all the facts. Maybe the lady with kids by different fathers has psychological problems from child sex abuse and this is a manifestation of her own self-loathing and sense of worthlessness. Do you really want to be the person who looks down on her? I don’t.
 
Why am I not surprised atheists are opposed to Catholic teachings? The church is opposed to out of wedlock pregnancies and no, I don’t associate with people who live immoral lives. Why would I? Someone with babies by multiple people out of wedlock are scum and people I would have nothing to do with. Very few of these would be from rape.
 
Some people are scum, such as murderers, rapists, gang members. They are not people who can be redeemed mostly. Not everyone can be redeemed.
 
TeachCatechism said:
Why am I not surprised atheists are opposed to Catholic teachings? The church is opposed to out of wedlock pregnancies and no, I don’t associate with people who live immoral lives. Why would I? Someone with babies by multiple people out of wedlock are scum and people I would have nothing to do with. Very few of these would be from rape.
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Of course I’m opposed to catholic teachings, lots of them in fact. If I weren’t I’d be catholic. But that doesn’t matter because what you’re espousing is not catholic teaching. Besides single parents are there any other sinners you shun?
 
Yes I do shun baby mamas/baby daddies because I don’t associate with people who better themselves.

I’m opposed to atheism so I am going to ignore you as this is a CATHOLIC site and you aren’t here for a good reason.
 
Whatever, I know what the church teaches and my former priest believed out of wedlock was a sin and refused to baptize the babies so he knows better than an atheist.
 
TeachCatechism said:
Whatever, I know what the church teaches and my former priest believed out of wedlock was a sin and refused to baptize the babies so he knows better than an atheist.
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My son was born out of wedlock. He was baptized by a Catholic priest. I am now married and in RCIA, being brought into the faith. Do you think that slamming the door in my face would have been a better way to save me?
 
Obviously you’re not a good Catholic if you question why my priest refused to baptize the baby. The parents refused to marry and rarely attended church so he was in the right. I agree with him. He did say out of wedlock was wrong and that people should be celibate if unmarried. I agree as well as having sex without marriage is not what people should be doing. Premarital sex is against the church’s teachings and while many have done this, not everyone had kids out of wedlock, and certainly not multiple kids by different people. Watch the Theology of the Body, this is something all unmarried Catholics need to watch.
 
I can say whatever I want and if you were into faith you would know premarital sex is against the church’s teachings.
 
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