Children Raised by Homosexuals are 7 times more likely to be Gays or Bisexuals

[dkdempsey]

Both my parents (now deceased) were straight. Yet I came out a bisexual male. I’m the last of 7 kids - the “bonus baby”

 

[pnewton]

Both my parents (now deceased) were straight. Yet I came out a bisexual male. I’m the last of 7 kids - the “bonus baby”

Statistics are never about individuals. Anecdotes are not data.

 

[DelicateMelody]

Both my parents (now deceased) were straight. Yet I came out a bisexual male. I’m the last of 7 kids - the “bonus baby”

Thisd theory may be of interest to you, if you havent already looked into it…

“The fraternal birth order effect is the name given to the observation that the more older brothers a man has, the greater the probability is that he will have a homosexual orientation.” A man’s odds of being gay increase by approximately 33% with each birth…
In the book, Homosexuality, Birth Order, and Evolution: Toward an Equilibrium Reproductive Economics of Homosexuality, Edward M. Miller suggests that the birth order effect on homosexuality may be a by-product of an evolved, biological mechanism that shifts personality away from heterosexuality in laterborn sons. This would have the consequence of reducing the probability of these sons engaging in unproductive competition with each other.

 

[dkdempsey]

In regard to the previous two posts (above mine) - I never mentioned anything about stats or birth order anyways in regard to chances of a kid being gay, bi, lesbian. Was just stating how it is with me. I don’t believe in that theory anyways since I have another sibling who is bi and is no where near the last born.

 

[DelicateMelody]

In regard to the previous two posts (above mine) - I never mentioned anything about stats or birth order anyways in regard to chances of a kid being gay, bi, lesbian. Was just stating how it is with me. I don’t believe in that theory anyways since I have another sibling who is bi and is no where near the last born.

One doesn’t have to believe the theory, being that it isn’t necessarily fact. But it did relate to your post.

 

[v3orb]

In regard to the previous two posts (above mine) - I never mentioned anything about stats or birth order anyways in regard to chances of a kid being gay, bi, lesbian. Was just stating how it is with me. I don’t believe in that theory anyways since I have another sibling who is bi and is no where near the last born.

The theory is only applicable to males. As of yet, no similar probability has been determined in regards to women.

 

[dkdempsey]

In any case how would the womb of the mother “know” when the last male child will be? That’s why the study is hard for me to believe. It would have to be a “prophetic” womb.

 

[v3orb]

The study never says that only the last son will be gay - it merely states that there is a raised statistical probability of later sons being gay.

 

[janw]

Homosexuality is not a learned behavior, but rather a consequence of biological factors. To say that children are “more likely to be Gay or Bisexual” when raised by homosexuals is scientifically incorrect. Definitive conclusions concerning sexual and gender identity will be found in the biological studies, not social. When reading this ‘summary of studies’ it is apparent that the children did not copy the parental homosexual behavior but rather felt comfortable to admit their sexual identity compared to heterosexual parents when majority of children wait until lat adolescence or early adulthood thus, preventing those numbers to be included in the study. Also, one may be able to use these statistics in a case to prove genetics are a basis for homosexual behavior.

I alway heard that according to the evidence, children of gays were no more likely to become gay than other children.

In my small family, the only gay person with children, the oldest of three of her children is 23 and has come out as gay. The other two are still teenagers. This to me looks like the so called evidence I read about was incorrect.

 

[garycasella]

Homosexuality is NOT GENETIC. There is no proof whatsoever of homosexuality being genetic in any way. It’s a scientific myth that’s been trying to be proved right for many years now, just so homosexuals can go and say “Oh see? Now there’s nothing wrong with us marrying”

Unless they find some proof of a “homosexual gene” (which I believe doesn’t exist) your point is null.

I am so unclear where you get your information, or whether you choose which studies to read, that would indulge your intolerance and most clearly, your insensitivity. Throughout these messages, and some others as well, I really hope that you are simply forgetting that there are gay homosexuals reading these messages, because if you knowingly write such horrid, hurtful, cruel and bigoted things here, simply to hurt the reader, than you are hardly a Christian. Some of the comments here are so mean spirited and at this time within the Church, there are bigger fish to fry than the one discussed here…ie…the Pius X BS and this Pope stating that he did not know their dogma, that he did not know how they felt about the Shoah and his doing nothing, again, nothing, regarding the bishop who decided to offend our Jewish brithers and sisters. Then, there is the Church interference into Italian politics and the Eluana Enlarga tragedy…a woman who after 19 years, the Church issuing statements that she could come out of the coma she has been in for almost 2 decades. These are issues to be discussed. As far as gay people ae concerned, leave them be, because when the you are so vehemently against them, then the old proverb, ‘I think thou protesteth too much’ comes into play. You choose to read what studies that you will find acceptable and while I have seen lists here, of studies done by the groups that believe gender orientation can be changed, I do not see any of the studies done by the AMA, RAM, RMA, APA…which all state that homosexuality is predetermined, not learned, and is 99.9% genetic.
As far as the above issue goes, it is such ****! Excuse me. If it were learned, there would be many less homosexuals out there, for most homosexuals have heterosexual parents, so where did they learn it from? People might say that this is simplifying the issue but it is hitting the issue right on the head and many of you do not want to believe it because you want to go on hating, rejecting, disbelieving. Remember, a hundred years ago, many Catholics believed that Jews had horns, but we know this, I hope, to be untrue. Why do so many of you choose to want homosexuality to be tried and convicted? What are you so scared about? Believe me, no gay person I know would ever bark up the wrong tree on purpose and truly would never get involved with self righteous zealots who only believe what they want to believe and are unwilling to open their eyes to some of the other mysteries out there.

 

[janw]

I am so unclear where you get your information, or whether you choose which studies to read, that would indulge your intolerance and most clearly, your insensitivity. Throughout these messages, and some others as well, I really hope that you are simply forgetting that there are gay homosexuals reading these messages, because if you knowingly write such horrid, hurtful, cruel and bigoted things here, simply to hurt the reader, than you are hardly a Christian. Some of the comments here are so mean spirited and at this time within the Church, there are bigger fish to fry than the one discussed here…ie…the Pius X BS and this Pope stating that he did not know their dogma, that he did not know how they felt about the Shoah and his doing nothing, again, nothing, regarding the bishop who decided to offend our Jewish brithers and sisters. Then, there is the Church interference into Italian politics and the Eluana Enlarga tragedy…a woman who after 19 years, the Church issuing statements that she could come out of the coma she has been in for almost 2 decades. These are issues to be discussed. As far as gay people ae concerned, leave them be, because when the you are so vehemently against them, then the old proverb, ‘I think thou protesteth too much’ comes into play. You choose to read what studies that you will find acceptable and while I have seen lists here, of studies done by the groups that believe gender orientation can be changed, I do not see any of the studies done by the AMA, RAM, RMA, APA…which all state that homosexuality is predetermined, not learned, and is 99.9% genetic.
As far as the above issue goes, it is such ****! Excuse me. If it were learned, there would be many less homosexuals out there, for most homosexuals have heterosexual parents, so where did they learn it from? People might say that this is simplifying the issue but it is hitting the issue right on the head and many of you do not want to believe it because you want to go on hating, rejecting, disbelieving. Remember, a hundred years ago, many Catholics believed that Jews had horns, but we know this, I hope, to be untrue. Why do so many of you choose to want homosexuality to be tried and convicted? What are you so scared about? Believe me, no gay person I know would ever bark up the wrong tree on purpose and truly would never get involved with self righteous zealots who only believe what they want to believe and are unwilling to open their eyes to some of the other mysteries out there./QUOT

I believe some are born homosexual, some are not. Even if a person is born homosexual, it is still according to God, sinful to act on these feelings. I do not hate anyone homosexual as this must be an awful burden to bear. That person is called to celibacy.

I also believe some are born with a tendency to be violent, overly aggressive, lazy, promiscuous, etc. Those people must also work hard against these things if they wish to live a christian life.

Homosexual acts are sins, no less no better than other sins. Sin is sin. Some christians act like this is a worse sin than others. I believe it is no worse sin than cheating on your taxes, telling lies or gossiping.

Most of us believers need to work on getting the boards out of our own eyes before we work on those splitters in the eyes of others.

 

[remjsmom76]

Now I am not for gay/lesbian relationships. I do feel that those who are homosexual are called to live a chaste life.
However this is wrong here, in fact it has been proven to some extent that it is a biological just as much as it can be a learned or chosen lifestyle.

I watched a documentary on this about a year or so ago, and they did studies on this. They said that when the child is forming in the womb, the hormones that make the child into a boy or girl can be mixed up. They have proven that the female/male hormone can be different in the brain than what the body shows.

for example…when the baby is in utero, and is forming the brain and the stem, the brain and stem will be getting a mixed signal that it is a girl (or boy) however the rest of the body is getting another signal to for it into the body of the opposite sex. They did this with homosexuals that have said they feel they are in the wrong body. They have found that indeed, if a boy says he is a girl, that the DNA in the brain is that of a woman or girl and his body is that of a boy. It is why they feel so confused. It was a signal gone wrong when developing inside the womb.

It does not include those who never said they felt in the wrong body. People who just like the same sex but still say they are a man or woman are not part of this study. Those are the ones who I feel are people who are truly confused, not a victim of genetic mistake. They simply choose to like the same sex for some reason or another.

I know it still in study,but so far, that’s what they have found. I thought it was interesting and they are attributing this to the environment and also the ancestry genetics and the type of environment they were in to.

We have to keep an open mind that there are some homosexual that are born to thing they are opposite of what they look because of this genetic mistake.

That has NOT been proven. You need to read more widely and listen to those who have studied the formation of sexuality and the varieties of situations leading to that. The latest research rather indicates a stronger likelihood of a combination of inclination and environment as the combined formative elements, with in fact environment being the more determinant aspect. That is because it is not external physical behaviors per se (role modeling of lifestyles) that most produce an “imprinting” onto the young psyche, but rather the absence of positive same-sex (not opposite sex) role-modeling for the young child in a way that allows that child to identify. It’s the perceived deficit of positive identity that draws the child away from embracing the particular same-sex in the parent, replacing that archetype with a same-sex stranger with whom the child feels freer to communicate, be understood, etc.

This tendency is particularly prominent in males and appears to confirm other evidence of insufficient/superficial parenting by too many fathers. (I’m going by what I heard from a degreed expert in the field who was on the radio recently; wish I could remember the name.) Thus, fathers who are more emotionally available to their sons and actively communicate acceptance to their sons – including of any “softness” in the personality or anything that stereotypically or traditionally is considered “feminine,” are more likely to raise heterosexual sons than homosexual ones.

 

[buffalo]

Now I am not for gay/lesbian relationships. I do feel that those who are homosexual are called to live a chaste life.
However this is wrong here, in fact it has been proven to some extent that it is a biological just as much as it can be a learned or chosen lifestyle.

I watched a documentary on this about a year or so ago, and they did studies on this. They said that when the child is forming in the womb, the hormones that make the child into a boy or girl can be mixed up. They have proven that the female/male hormone can be different in the brain than what the body shows.

for example…when the baby is in utero, and is forming the brain and the stem, the brain and stem will be getting a mixed signal that it is a girl (or boy) however the rest of the body is getting another signal to for it into the body of the opposite sex. They did this with homosexuals that have said they feel they are in the wrong body. They have found that indeed, if a boy says he is a girl, that the DNA in the brain is that of a woman or girl and his body is that of a boy. It is why they feel so confused. It was a signal gone wrong when developing inside the womb.

It does not include those who never said they felt in the wrong body. People who just like the same sex but still say they are a man or woman are not part of this study. Those are the ones who I feel are people who are truly confused, not a victim of genetic mistake. They simply choose to like the same sex for some reason or another.

I know it still in study,but so far, that’s what they have found. I thought it was interesting and they are attributing this to the environment and also the ancestry genetics and the type of environment they were in to.

We have to keep an open mind that there are some homosexual that are born to thing they are opposite of what they look because of this genetic mistake.

Epigenetics.

 

[garycasella]

I think it’s more than 2%

Agreed…according to latest stats by US Census Bureau and other International groups, 8-10% of the US population identifies as GBLT…in the UK, it is a little higher (probably because they are not killed in the streets for identifying with being gay as some are are here). 2%…you wish!

 

[pookiebear364]

That may be one of the single most “DARWIN AWARD” worthy remark I have seen in some time- Genetics- from the MOTHERS side- determines one sexual identity It is fine to be holy and all that BUT to say that one CHOOSES to be Gay or Lebian is just plain DUMB! I mean really, Who WOULD???

 

[buffalo]

1-2% is the number.

Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17). - (17) Newsweek, February 1993.

 

[remjsmom76]

Is that what its called? Im not sure, I just remember the documentary and I was thinking “WOW…so they really are female/male in their brain but the body is different”

It was very intersting to me.

Epigenetics.

 

[Teen4Christ]

1-2% is the number.

Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17). - (17) Newsweek, February 1993.

That sounds low…really low, I read somewhere 5-6%.

 

[Publisher]

Gallup had some interesting statistics too.

gallup.com/poll/6961/What-Percentage-Population-Gay.aspx

I don’t know where the truth lies…one study said there was a reason some of the studies were low in percentage…gay people as a whole are afraid to admit they are gay…some claimed the 10% was overinflated…no one differentiates between bisexual and homosexual…just 'same sex" encounters…does having a same sex encounter make one gay? No it doesn’t Minimizing the numbers for ones own gain…is similar as inflating them for ones own gain as well.

 

[Valke2]

1-2% is the number.

Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17). - (17) Newsweek, February 1993.

Heterosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 1-2% figure.