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I don’t see what’s wrong with it?
I read Romeo and Juliet…VERY similar:shrug: AND it’s required.

As always, just my thoughts
 
Back in the dark ages (late 70s) I couldn’t understand why my mom and dad wouldn’t let me see “Grease”… I mean, ALL my sixth and seventh grade friends had seen it, it’s just music and dancing, and JOHN TRAVOLTA!! So my brother’s wife (huge age gap between siblings here) took me and my sister to go see it (behind Mom’s back, natch!) and, THANK GOD, a lot of it went WAY over my head. I never watched it again until twenty years later.

:eek:

NOW I knew why Mom and Dad didn’t want me to see it!

YOU’RE the parent; YOU get to make the call. End of story.
 
Writing in a backstory about taking care of her mother doesn’t change the fact that the character Stephanie Meyer presents throughout Twilight is incredibly immature. Why is she immature? Because she’s putting her life in danger and obsessing about a creepy old man whom she has nothing in common with, but it’s okay because he happens to be beautiful and perfect.
Did everyone miss the part about getting frozen in time? For the most part he’s still 17 too. He can’t change without a drastic incident. And her mother and father both approve of the marriage. What more do you want? So I’m assuming you’ve never told a couple that wants to live together that they should just get married. I’m assuming you’ve never supported someone getting married before, say 30? Because 20 y/o’s are pretty immature still.
It’s about making good choices.
Show me how her choice is bad. She is in a loving relationship, with someone who wants the best for her. He wants her to get into heaven, stated very explicitly. He wants her to go to college.
People that are in unhealthy, obsessive relationships are devastated when they get separated too!
Prove that they are obsessesd, not in love. I read it as they are in love. But adults never want to admit that teens and young adults can be in love. It’s always labeled obsession or lust.
This is romantic hullabaloo. Ask anyone in a successful marriage will tell you what they appreciate about their spouses, not something inexplicable, yet ‘unbelievable’.
Well, apparently not retyping the entire chapter was a mistake. The inexplicable part is the vampire who resists drinking human blood to be good, and other things that she can’t tell Jessica about.
If this isn’t evidence of a dysfunctional relationship, I don’t know what is. In mature, healthy relationships, people may admit that they are weaker about certain things, but overall they must believe that one is not better than the other.
And the relationship does mature. That shows up more at the beginning of Eclipse and in Breaking Dawn. But I think it’s a good example that they see the good in each other, rather than thinking they are better than the other.
Perhaps, but that’s not much to base a relationship on.
You keep claiming they have nothing in common. I listed the first thing that came to mind. They are also both big readers. People in a relationship don’t have to share every interest.
As a 32 year old man who’s dating a 23 year old woman (and she actually is quite mature, unlike Bella), I can tell you that age differences do make a difference. Naivete is part of being young, and although life experiences can prod you along in some regards, age matters. It would be pretty presumptuous of me to say that I would understand the needs of a 50 year old woman, let alone a 100 year old perfect sparkly woman.
Again, FROZEN IN TIME. Oh good, so a real person wouldn’t choose to marry a vampire, what an example you are. People can and do marry at 18 and 19. That used to be very common. It is possible to be that mature at that age.

A few final points. Lord of the Rings doesn’t have a strong female character, does that mean we can’t let our kids read or watch that? Of course it’s not really realistic, IT’S FICTION. And Bella is going to go to college. They just have to wait 7 years while Renesmee grows up. At least she’s staying home with the kids, I thought people valued that. And I have never looked to Disney or anything else as teaching me how to live my life. I look to them for ENTERTAINMENT. Sure, it would be nice to have the prince in shining armor, but as a girl who grew up with Disney I in no way expect that. How about we teach kids that the only book they should base their lives on is the bible, the rest is for fun?

I’m not saying that anyone has to let their kids watch it, but at least think about it reasonably and don’t ignore the good in the books. And don’t listen to every negative opinion about it. People bash Harry Potter just as much because he’s a rule breaker.
 
Here are some criticisms of Twilight:
  1. The girl is presented as clumsy and average, and the boy is presented as perfect and sparkly. And the girl is obsessed with the boy’s perfection and sparkliness. Not exactly an empowering message to young girls.
I don’t think this is a bad thing, considering that nearly everything else sends the message that you be happy and successful you have to be beautiful.

It’s actually refreshing for an average girl with nothing all that special about herself to have a boy desired by everyone fall in love with her.
 
I don’t think this is a bad thing, considering that nearly everything else sends the message that you be happy and successful you have to be beautiful.

It’s actually refreshing for an average girl with nothing all that special about herself to have a boy desired by everyone fall in love with her.
That’s the thing though, nobody’s average in this world, we’re all special. 🙂

Everyone has a spark of the divine that they can choose to cultivate, and that they should look for in a partner. It can be expressed through charity, honesty, mercy, fidelity, determination, compassion, patience, discipline, empathy, courage, and justice. And other things I can’t think of off the top of my head. 😛
 
And Edward keeps saying that. He is always saying she is special, and when she disagrees he says she doesn’t see herself clearly.
 
That’s the thing though, nobody’s average in this world, we’re all special. 🙂
I have to disagree with you there. Look at the definition of the idea of an average. Take any human trait, like intelligence or height. They tend to be normally distributed around the average, with most people closer to the average than not.

Take any property, most of us are close average. I’d even say that most of us are close to the average in nearly all traits. There are very few people who are exceptional at anything, that’s why they’re recognized as exceptional people.
Everyone has a spark of the divine that they can choose to cultivate, and that they should look for in a partner. It can be expressed through charity, honesty, mercy, fidelity, determination, compassion, patience, discipline, empathy, courage, and justice. And other things I can’t think of off the top of my head. 😛
I guess. But how does this make Twilight an inappropriate movie?
 
Did everyone miss the part about getting frozen in time? For the most part he’s still 17 too. He can’t change without a drastic incident. And her mother and father both approve of the marriage. What more do you want? So I’m assuming you’ve never told a couple that wants to live together that they should just get married. I’m assuming you’ve never supported someone getting married before, say 30? Because 20 y/o’s are pretty immature still.

Show me how her choice is bad. She is in a loving relationship, with someone who wants the best for her. He wants her to get into heaven, stated very explicitly. He wants her to go to college.

Prove that they are obsessesd, not in love. I read it as they are in love. But adults never want to admit that teens and young adults can be in love. It’s always labeled obsession or lust.

Well, apparently not retyping the entire chapter was a mistake. The inexplicable part is the vampire who resists drinking human blood to be good, and other things that she can’t tell Jessica about.

And the relationship does mature. That shows up more at the beginning of Eclipse and in Breaking Dawn. But I think it’s a good example that they see the good in each other, rather than thinking they are better than the other.

You keep claiming they have nothing in common. I listed the first thing that came to mind. They are also both big readers. People in a relationship don’t have to share every interest.

Again, FROZEN IN TIME. Oh good, so a real person wouldn’t choose to marry a vampire, what an example you are. People can and do marry at 18 and 19. That used to be very common. It is possible to be that mature at that age.

A few final points. Lord of the Rings doesn’t have a strong female character, does that mean we can’t let our kids read or watch that? Of course it’s not really realistic, IT’S FICTION. And Bella is going to go to college. They just have to wait 7 years while Renesmee grows up. At least she’s staying home with the kids, I thought people valued that. And I have never looked to Disney or anything else as teaching me how to live my life. I look to them for ENTERTAINMENT. Sure, it would be nice to have the prince in shining armor, but as a girl who grew up with Disney I in no way expect that. How about we teach kids that the only book they should base their lives on is the bible, the rest is for fun?

I’m not saying that anyone has to let their kids watch it, but at least think about it reasonably and don’t ignore the good in the books. And don’t listen to every negative opinion about it. People bash Harry Potter just as much because he’s a rule breaker.
I’m not advocating for it to be burned or restricted, I just thought it was written like a bad tween fanfic. It glorifies and justifies both of their wrong doings, but some people don’t see anything wrong with the stalking and the emotional manipulation. They just see “hot guy” and dismiss everything else.
 
I have to disagree with you there. Look at the definition of the idea of an average. Take any human trait, like intelligence or height. They tend to be normally distributed around the average, with most people closer to the average than not.

Take any property, most of us are close average. I’d even say that most of us are close to the average in nearly all traits. There are very few people who are exceptional at anything, that’s why they’re recognized as exceptional people.

I guess. But how does this make Twilight an inappropriate movie?
Let me just be clear, I’ve only read the book Twilight, not seen the movie. But in the book the only words Bella uses to describe Edward are variants of “beautiful” and “romantic”. Which makes her shallow, in my opinion. I’m not calling the book inappropriate so much as just a shallow piece of writing that sends girls the wrong messages.
 
Let me just be clear, I’ve only read the book Twilight, not seen the movie. But in the book the only words Bella uses to describe Edward are variants of “beautiful” and “romantic”. Which makes her shallow, in my opinion. I’m not calling the book inappropriate so much as just a shallow piece of writing that sends girls the wrong messages.
I don’t think reading that book is going to make any girls any more interested in looks than they already are. Having been a teen girl once upon a time, and having had many teen girl friend that’s what teen girls are like. A guy’s “cuteness” is extremely important, it’s also important that he is nice and romantic. But being nice and romantic won’t make a guy who isn’t cute a teen girl’s object of interest. This isn’t learned behavior, it’s biological. Men and women both are infatuated with beautiful people. Look at all the celebrities, advertising, and successful people in general. Not that many unattractive ones.

Books like Twilight and other romances written for a female audience have male leads with traits that are most appealing to women. But I can see how a man might oppose these books because they don’t make life any better for regular guys.
 
I don’t think it makes life better for anyone, but you’re right, popular culture does this already with or without Twilight.

Although not all novels are written with a male audience in mind, the good ones that aren’t cough Pride and Prejudice cough are still quite enjoyable to men!
 
I don’t think it makes life better for anyone, but you’re right, popular culture does this already with or without Twilight.
I think popular culture reflects human nature in this case. People are wired to desire very attractive, and successful people. Women are wired to desire attractive, strong, wealthy, committed men. We also enjoy it when these men find us irresistible.

That is pretty much what you have in Twilight and also Pride and Prejudice and hundreds of other romances.

But I agree that Pride and Prejudice is a lot better, and Elizabeth is a much more respectable woman than Bella.

And no, these things don’t make life great for those of us who lack a lot of those qualities.
 
I’m 29, married w/ children. I saw the movie and liked it a lot. BUT I definitely wouldn’t let children watch them. The sexual tension/innuendo was inappropriate for children, IMO. Like how old are we talking? I think someone 17-18 or so *might *be ok to watch it. It’s not the vampire thing that’s objectionable, for the most part… that’s just sci-fi (again IMO). But the other subject matter (relationship drama) is really too mature for younger teens.

My folks kept me back from a huge amount of secular culture up until I was about 16 or so. It really was the best thing they did for me… even though I felt out of the loop sometimes. I was too young to understand that it really wasn’t a loop that was good for me to be in. But they knew better, as good parents do. 👍
stay strong! 🙂
Mixed bag. I will say that innuendo is usually lost on younger kids. I do believe those much younger could see the film if there is an adult to walk them through it following the movie. There is a fine line between sheltering kids and overprotecting kids and there are times when young adults 17-18-19 are turned lose and sent off to school unprepared with the world; it’s like lambs to the slaughter for those with bad intentions.
 
Mixed bag. I will say that innuendo is usually lost on younger kids. I do believe those much younger could see the film if there is an adult to walk them through it following the movie. There is a fine line between sheltering kids and overprotecting kids and there are times when young adults 17-18-19 are turned lose and sent off to school unprepared with the world; it’s like lambs to the slaughter for those with bad intentions.
Oh, this is soooo true. I would MUCH rather my kids be prepared to handle the world with street smarts and know what is going on, rather than be the “deer in the headlights” who is clueless or shocked.
 
My daughter is 11. She has not seen the movie, but she has read the first book. I’m reading the second one now, and so far I would be fine with her reading that as well. After New Moon comes out on dvd, I think we’ll get them both and have a movie night.

I have heard that the fourth book is a little racy, but the first two are fine. There is some kissing, but that’s it.

It’s fantasy. I wouldn’t want my daughter living with dwarfs either, but I don’t prevent her from watching snow white. 👍
 
Very insightful information. I appreciate all your opinions and views. My girls are 12 and 13. My 12 y/o is pretty mature, but my 13 y/o is very influential. I will give it much more thought, but I do believe a parent should be able to give their children much better choices in entertainment than going with the secular flow.
 
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