Chimps: Not Human, But Are They People?

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As a population of West African chimpanzees dwindles to critically endangered levels, scientists are calling for a definition of personhood that includes our close evolutionary cousins.

Just two decades ago, the Ivory Coast boasted a 10,000-strong chimpanzee population, accounting for half of the world’s population. According to a new survey, that number has fallen to just a few thousand.

News of such a decline, published today in Current Biology, would be saddening in any species. But should we feel more concern for the chimpanzees than for another animal — as much concern, perhaps, as we might feel for other people?

“They are a people. Non-human, but definitely persons,” said Deborah Fouts, co-director of the Chimpanzee and Human Communication Institute. “They haven’t built a rocket ship to the moon. But we’re not that different.”

Fouts is one of a growing number of scientists and ethicists who believe that chimpanzees — as well as orangutans, bonobos and gorillas, a group colloquially known as great apes — ought to be considered people.

It’s a controversial position. If being a person requires being human, then chimpanzees, our closest primate relative, are still only 98 percent complete. But if personhood is defined more broadly, chimpanzees may well qualify. They have self-awareness, feelings and high-level cognitive powers. Hardly a month seems to pass without researchers finding evidence of behavior thought to belong solely to humans.

Some even suggest that chimpanzees and other great apes should be granted human rights. So argued advocates for Hiasl, a chimpanzee caught in an Austrian custody battle, and the framers of an ape rights resolution passed by the Spanish parliament. The question of rights is practically thorny — how could a chimp be held responsible for, say, attacking another chimp? — but the fundamental question isn’t practical, but rather scientific and ethical.

“They have been shown to have all kinds of complex communication and cognitive powers that are similar to humans,” said Yerkes National Primate Research Center researcher Jared Taglialatela. “They have feelings, they have ideas, they have goals.”

Chimps4The capacity of chimpanzees to feel, vividly illustrated when primatologist Jane Goodall documented the grief of a chimp named Flint for his mother, is the least ambiguous of chimpanzee characteristics. More ambiguous is their ability to think abstractly and empathically.

“They don’t have time. They can’t talk about yesterday or tomorrow. Their communication is very much instantaneous: ‘A neighbor is coming, let’s go. A female’s in heat, so check me out.’ It’s not, ‘How are you today?’” said Pascal Gagneux, a University of California, San Diego primatologist. He considers chimpanzees to be persons, but fundamentally different from humans by virtue of their profoundly different communicative range.

But Fouts, who has trained her chimpanzees to use sign language, disagrees. “They do remember the past. When people come that they haven’t seen in many years, they use their name signs,” she said. Taglialatela echoed Fouts. “I don’t know if they think about what they want to be when they grow up,” he said, “but they understand the concept that something will happen later.”

Taglialatela has shown that chimpanzees utilize parts of their brain similar to our own Broca’s and Wernicke’s areas, which in humans are considered central to speech production and processing. When communicating, chimpanzees choose circumstance-appropriate forms: gesturing by hand to someone who looks at them, or calling out to someone who looks away.

“We’re seeing this rich communicative repertoire. It’s not simply, ‘I see a piece of food and make some emotional sound,’” he said. “They’re using different perspectives to communicate.”

Researchers have also found that chimps use hand gestures that vary according to context. The same gesture can be used for purposes as diverse as requesting sex or reconciling after a fight, a linguistic subtlety that suggests a capacity for high-level abstraction.

Chimpanzees even appear capable of altruism, being willing to help strangers in the absence of anticipated reward. But their empathy, said Gagneux, who proposes treating research chimps in the manner of human subjects incapable of giving informed consent, does not translate to compassion.

Of course, compassion is hardly universal among humans. “How many times do you find yourself seeing someone on the news, or walking by someone on the street, and being apathetic towards them?” said Taglialatela.

And Fouts, who said that chimpanzees “feel pain and anger and love and affection and the kinds of feelings we feel,” said that her sign language-trained chimpanzees can indeed inquire about the well-being of their handlers.

“They don’t use it very often, but it doesn’t mean they don’t understand,” she said.

So what of the situation in the Ivory Coast, where chimpanzee numbers have plummeted so dramatically that researchers say they’re not merely endangered, but critically endangered? Should they be mourned as animals, or people?

Perhaps semantics are irrelevant.

“This is a tragedy, for lack of a better word,” said Taglialatela.

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Wow! Let’s give chimps their rights and forget about the human babies in the womb!

The irony…
 
I came across this article on yahoo about 20 min ago.

Modern, secular, humans are idiots. This is just another “fruit” of their Godless worlds. Next they will say it will be acceptable to have sex with chimps. Welcome to the world…
 
In my 60 years on Earth I have trained many wonderful dogs to do the same things…They have an intellect and I hope that they will be in heaven with me, but they do not have a human soul…no animal does.
Having said that I would think mos chimps,apes, etc. if left on their own would vote more intellectually than a whole lot of so called “Catholics”.
 
this is just foolishness. not all humans have the rights of personhood. until the time when all humans from conception to a natural death are ‘people’ with rights most importantly the right to life then this is a bad path to go down.
 
“They are a people. Non-human, but definitely persons,” said Deborah Fouts…

Deborah Fouts has a screw loose. :eek:

People =Humans=persons

Therefore, non-humans are non-persons. Simple as that.

Redefining Apes as persons doesn’t make them persons, anymore than redefining worms would make them people. :rolleyes:
 
This is the sick, twisted logic of today’s society. Trying to give apes/chimps human rights, yet won’t extend the right to life for an unborn child. :mad:
 
if corporations, partnership, LLCs and other entities are "persons’ under the law, why not chimps? you can grant them any set of rights or withhold any rights. makes perfect sense to me.
 
This is the sick, twisted logic of today’s society. Trying to give apes/chimps human rights, yet won’t extend the right to life for an unborn child. :mad:
Wait until California or Massachusetts makes it legal to marry one.:rolleyes:

Can you imagine a whole industry… mail order chimp brides (gay or straight) … maybe with the “off-spring” of that marriage is how we get “The Planet of the Apes”😃 :whacky:

Paul
 
I know human beings who call all big living things – even plants – people. I believe they probably extend it only to things intelligent, large or social enough to register on humans’ attention, so not yeast or spider mites or moss shoots, I assume. But they see a mangrove, a dog, or a honeybee as a person. My mother considers animals with brains people, and is on the fence about simpler life forms. She even speaks disapprovingly of the behavior of invertebrates she sees on TV as if they ought to know how sickening they are. It’s just old-school anthropomorphism, the same way of thinking that has some folks yelling at their cars or saying their socks don’t like to stay up.🤷
But I have trouble imagining that a primate or feline isn’t at least kind-of-people. They’re a lot like us. I know we have rational souls, but we form the same kinds of tribes as babboons and we remove our scent here, strew it (or a chemical substitute we like better) there to establish turf and throw off enemies, just as do cats, and we play with kids, fight intergeneratioanlly during pubescence and become preoccupied with social status afterward, and do many things that seem human to us but are more generally social.
I think anyone with feelings has some kind of rights and anyone with a nervous system has feelings, but there are levels of rights – a human has many unalienable, sacred rights, a chimp somewhat fewer, a cat about the same as a primate, a dog too I guess, and a horse, while a sheep has fewer and a fish far fewer, then a tree has very few and possibly a turnip none at all.
 
I know human beings who call all big living things – even plants – people. I believe they probably extend it only to things intelligent, large or social enough to register on humans’ attention, so not yeast or spider mites or moss shoots, I assume. But they see a mangrove, a dog, or a honeybee as a person. My mother considers animals with brains people, and is on the fence about simpler life forms. She even speaks disapprovingly of the behavior of invertebrates she sees on TV as if they ought to know how sickening they are. It’s just old-school anthropomorphism, the same way of thinking that has some folks yelling at their cars or saying their socks don’t like to stay up.🤷
But I have trouble imagining that a primate or feline isn’t at least kind-of-people. They’re a lot like us. I know we have rational souls, but we form the same kinds of tribes as babboons and we remove our scent here, strew it (or a chemical substitute we like better) there to establish turf and throw off enemies, just as do cats, and we play with kids, fight intergeneratioanlly during pubescence and become preoccupied with social status afterward, and do many things that seem human to us but are more generally social.
I think anyone with feelings has some kind of rights and anyone with a nervous system has feelings, but there are levels of rights – a human has many unalienable, sacred rights, a chimp somewhat fewer, a cat about the same as a primate, a dog too I guess, and a horse, while a sheep has fewer and a fish far fewer, then a tree has very few and possibly a turnip none at all.
The problem isn’t the chimps having rights. The problem is that they want to give chimps rights while unborn babies still don’t have any rights. That’s what I see wrong with this whole thing.
 
I know human beings who call all big living things – even plants – people. I believe they probably extend it only to things intelligent, large or social enough to register on humans’ attention, so not yeast or spider mites or moss shoots, I assume. But they see a mangrove, a dog, or a honeybee as a person. My mother considers animals with brains people, and is on the fence about simpler life forms. She even speaks disapprovingly of the behavior of invertebrates she sees on TV as if they ought to know how sickening they are. It’s just old-school anthropomorphism, the same way of thinking that has some folks yelling at their cars or saying their socks don’t like to stay up.🤷
But I have trouble imagining that a primate or feline isn’t at least kind-of-people. They’re a lot like us. I know we have rational souls, but we form the same kinds of tribes as babboons and we remove our scent here, strew it (or a chemical substitute we like better) there to establish turf and throw off enemies, just as do cats, and we play with kids, fight intergeneratioanlly during pubescence and become preoccupied with social status afterward, and do many things that seem human to us but are more generally social.
I think anyone with feelings has some kind of rights and anyone with a nervous system has feelings, but there are levels of rights – a human has many unalienable, sacred rights, a chimp somewhat fewer, a cat about the same as a primate, a dog too I guess, and a horse, while a sheep has fewer and a fish far fewer, then a tree has very few and possibly a turnip none at all.
The only way an animal will have true rights (not human rights but animal rights) is if humans start to care for their own species correctly. We cannot even see a human baby as a human. We treat our ill or elderly as if they deserve to die. Until we learn get our priorities strait than we will be better equipped to take our responsibilities as true care givers to the animals around us seriously.

It really infuriates me when an animal is given more rights than a human.
 
The problem isn’t the chimps having rights. The problem is that they want to give chimps rights while unborn babies still don’t have any rights. That’s what I see wrong with this whole thing.
In my view they are two separate issues - therefore there is no reason why chimps should have to wait for rights.
 
In my view they are two separate issues - therefore there is no reason why chimps should have to wait for rights.
i assume you mean wait for human rights as this is the thread topic. want a reason? how about the fact that they arent human. theres a difference between treating living things with diginity acording to what they are(apes get more than fire ants or e. coli) but it is a completely different thing to start putting them on par with us. this type of thing may not go that far, but its the first step, and as beings made in Gods image we are simply better than them.

besides i’ve seen the planet of the apes. the less human apes are the better.
 
Let natural selection run its course. If the species cannot naturally survive on its own, why should we interfere with nature?
 
Let natural selection run its course. If the species cannot naturally survive on its own, why should we interfere with nature?
thank you thank you thank you

im all for protecting the environment, but things change. if the dinosaurs hadn’t died off mamals couldnt have come about besides rats. the old giant sharks 10x the size of whales, do people still want those around? and mosquitos how about we help them along too?

besides pressure is good evolutionary. it weeds out the weak and reinforces the strong. while they will never be people or human who knows what apes could be. keeping as many alive as we can may be a detriment to their species.
 
The problem isn’t the chimps having rights. The problem is that they want to give chimps rights while unborn babies still don’t have any rights. That’s what I see wrong with this whole thing.
Yeah, I fully believe humans of any age have more rights than animals of any age, but it shouldn’t be a dichotomy. Unless someone is planning to abort a human child for a chimpanzee’s benefit somehow, I don’t see a relationship.
 
thank you thank you thank you

im all for protecting the environment, but things change. if the dinosaurs hadn’t died off mamals couldnt have come about besides rats. the old giant sharks 10x the size of whales, do people still want those around? and mosquitos how about we help them along too?

besides pressure is good evolutionary. it weeds out the weak and reinforces the strong. Not necessarily, Evolution chooses the best adapted, not necessarily the strong. while they will never be people or human who knows what apes could be. keeping as many alive as we can may be a detriment to their species.
 
i was right. in evolutinary terms the best adapted is the strongest. at least for those circumstances.
 
This is the sick, twisted logic of today’s society. Trying to give apes/chimps human rights, yet won’t extend the right to life for an unborn child. :mad:
This is an excellent summation of the sickness of our society.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Let natural selection run its course. If the species cannot naturally survive on its own, why should we interfere with nature?
The major problem they have IS humans.

Many Africans have a taste for chimp meat.

We have encroached their environment. We have destroyed their habitat. We have made their survival dependent upon human intervention.

Personally, I have no problem with granting them the protections that are associated with personhood.

As to whether or not they are ensouled; I doubt only one species in the universe has a soul. I don’t think chimps do, but it would not surprise me to be wrong on that particular score.

The question of ensoulment is one we can not definitively answer.

But we are stewards of all creation. The distinctiveness of the Chimpanzee, and the value in understanding ourselves, is scientifically of great measure.

They can learn human language, they can comprehend about as well as toddlers, and share the same range of emotional response. Protecting them the same way we protect the severely retarded is no loss to humanity.
 
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