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TK421
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Please pray for the dead who are not receiving proper funerals and the families.
Peace.
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Please pray for the dead who are not receiving proper funerals and the families.
Peace.
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adamhovey1988
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Oh of course.
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Freddy
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I think the situation doesn’t warrent the term ‘trying to curb expressions of grief’. We have the same situation in Australia where there are limits on the number of people who can attend a funeral. It’s unfortunate, but necessary.
We also restrict weddings to the couple themselves, the priest or celebrant and two witnesses. Is that ‘trying to curb expressions of love’?
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ATraveller
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There’s more to the story than the headline and subheadline have provided.
One of the writers of the article tweeted this out:
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Freddy
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No doubt to make sure they are isolated from the rest of the population. I’d assume that whoever was taking the ashes was isolated to begin with.Freddy:
There’s more to the story than the headline and subheadline have provided.
One of the writers of the article tweeted this out:
Look, we live in strange times. My wife and I had a couple of police officers turn up yesterday to check that she was at home. She returned from overseas a week ago and is under compulsory self isolation at home. There are fines and even imprisonment fornthose who flout the new regulations.
Do we like it? Well, no we don’t. Do we accept it? Yes, 100%.
My daughter and the grandkids came over an hour ago. We had to talk to them through the screen door. They are not allowed inside.
Do we like it? Well, no we don’t. Do we accept it? Yes, 100%.
I live at Bondi and because there are some backpacker hostels in the area and some morons have decided that the restrictions don’t apply to them we have the greatest concentration of cases within a few blocks of my house in the whole of Australia. But…it’s only just over 100 cases. We’re keeping a lid on this and we’ll probably come out of this a lot better than some other countries. But it’s because we accept that we have to isolate.
We’re all in this together. So if you can’t have the wedding you wanted and the 40th birthday party you thought you’d have or you can’t say a proper goodbye to loved ones that have died…then we just have to accept that for now.
Stay healthy.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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it might benefit each country to quietly bury their own mounting dead and saving the critique until the globe is out the other side of this virus
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ATraveller
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If only that were the officials’ only intention.
The tweet’s preview of the article also mentioned, “suppressing discussion of fatalities”.
This all comes off as “bury your dead safely. Oh, don’t forget to be quiet or else”. Imagine if that were done in America or Australia.
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Freddy
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Yet the article quotes local Chinese newspapers reporting on events:Freddy:
If only that were the officials’ only intention.
The tweet’s preview of the article also mentioned, “suppressing discussion of fatalities”.
This all comes off as “bury your dead safely. Oh, don’t forget to be quiet or else”. Imagine if that were done in America or Australia.
‘More recently, a truck driver cited in a report by Caixin, an influential newsmagazine, talked about dropping off thousands of boxes for storing ashes at Hankou Funeral Home, one of eight funeral homes in the city. While the numbers raised doubts about the death toll, it was unclear whether the boxes were used for just coronavirus victims or more broadly.’
If the local papers are reporting doubts about the deaths then I’m not sure that ‘suppressing discussion of fatalities’ is valid. In fact, it would tend to support a view that it’s false. Especially as you can sit at home wherever you are and read the paper’s story yourself using the link in that quote above.
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Margaret_Ann
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It doesn’t surprise me one bit. Every CAF blogger should read all the books by Theresa Marie Moreau:
She’s been writing about the underground Catholic Church in China for years. I highly recommend An Unbelievable Life. It’s the story of Fr. Matthew Koo. I couldn’t put it down.
She’s been writing about the underground Catholic Church in China for years. I highly recommend An Unbelievable Life. It’s the story of Fr. Matthew Koo. I couldn’t put it down.
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ATraveller
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Lucky you. The NY Times article was and is behind a paywall for me and others.
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TK421
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Coronavirus coverage is free.
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ATraveller
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Not for me. It says that on the front page but it still doesn’t work.
Edit: I tried it on a different browser I don’t normally use and it worked.
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Freddy
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Well, that sums it up really. You can’t access the NYT report (that wasn’t the one to which I was referring). But you can access the report in the Chinese newpaper by clicking the link above (the word ‘report’ in blue).Freddy:
Lucky you. The NY Times article was and is behind a paywall for me and others.
I hope the irony is not lost on you.
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ATraveller
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Since I found away to get that free access, this seems important:
How are these endangering public health?
Now why would they do that? In case someone starts analyzing the pictures and counting the number of possible victims?
Luckily, I just switched browsers.
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TK421
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I’ve just been standing by, mystified by the direction of the conversation. I was waiting for other people to point things out.
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Freddy
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You despatch police to break up groups on a social media app? That makes zero sense. It would be like the local boys in blue being sent out to break up the online poker game a few of us set up a couple of days ago.
It sounds more like that they were breaking up actual groups that had arranged to meet using that app. Which would in fact be illegal in Australia at the moment, let alone China.
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ATraveller
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For some reason that doesn’t sound likely. You took the first sentence of that quote from the NYT. Here’s the next sentence:
How do these pictures pose a public health risk?
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FiveLinden
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These arrangements for funerals are happening all over the world. I think in the UK five people are allowed. I think in Australia it is two. Funerals, with lots of close contact and shared eating are absolutely the worst situations for virus spread. I think these regulations by the Chinese authorities are exactly what is needed. It will be the same in the US soon, but not before many have died needlessly through transmission at unregulated events.
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Freddy
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They’re quite possibly showing people disregarding social distancing. Who knows. The Chinese government does exercise a great deal of control over what you can and can’t see and do on social media. One of the forum members who is living there was explained a couple of days ago that he can’t even access Youtube for example. This is not exactly breaking news…Freddy:
For some reason that doesn’t sound likely. You took the first sentence of that quote from the NYT. Here’s the next sentence:
How do these pictures pose a public health risk?
But bad reporting is bad reporting. It needs to be pointed out otherwise we all end up jumping at shadows.
I’m not entirely sure we should trust anyone in power more than we need to. I’m not sure that any of the media can be relied on to give us accurate and unbiased reportage. We should pass everything we are told through our Skeptical Filter. It’s all to easy to portray the Chinese as the bogey man. In all fairness they bring a lot of that upon themselves. But we shouldn’t accept reports simply because they support what we already believe.
Quite often we will support a policy or back a statement if it’s from the party we support or a politician we voted for. And reject exactly the same policy or statement if it’s made by ‘the opposition’.
Let’s treat everything on its merit. That article was badly written and doesn’t ring true, but a lot of people will file it under the ‘China bad’ column. Keep your powder dry for when it’s needed.
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FiveLinden
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For the same reason that pictures of people lining up for peanut butter cause a lot of people to go an start hoarding peanut butter. When people see that ashes are available and funerals allowed they will all go in an effort to finish their duty to their loved ones. In China, where media is controlled, they control media to control crowds. They don’t want lots of people in the same cramped funeral areas at once, so they manage it. You might object to the control of the media but the intention is really, really good.
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