China Pushes for Quiet Burials Amid Questioning Over Death Toll

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For the same reason that pictures of people lining up for peanut butter cause a lot of people to go an start hoarding peanut butter. When people see that ashes are available and funerals allowed they will all go in an effort to finish their duty to their loved ones. In China, where media is controlled, they control media to control crowds. They don’t want lots of people in the same cramped funeral areas at once, so they manage it. You might object to the control of the media but the intention is really, really good.
It’s odd. We know social or physical distancing is in effect everywhere for the public and people have gotten the message but magically except for funeral areas. Odd that the people in charge wouldn’t get them to distance if they happen to forget.
 
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I agree it is not breaking news , nor the best of articles,but it is interesting. Proves nothing in itself but her question does:Why did this happen to us?
Of course respecting her grief and also the fact that virtually not everyone may have a proper burial these days, her justification makes it obvious the effect “ surveillance” has on their people.
Of course there is “ surveillance”, and she sees it as surveillance. But she says her father was a memeber of the party, they were ordinary people, and did nothing bad or wrong to anyone.In other words, why should they be “ surveilled”?
Why did this happen to us? To them.
So it happens …to others.But it happens.
There is something tangible as intangible about surveillance that lingers even when it may not be happening, it is installed in the mind that you may be watched so that it then works alone, and there are coping skills probably to get used to it. Quite difficult for the rest of us not used to that.
Nonetheless as we can see effects are lived as devastating. She mentions lack of dignity and the lack of humanity experienced when it touches this family in this case, as unexplainable.
Was there surveillance for anything wrong they did? That is at he end of the day how she perceives it. And finds no answer.
How one adapts to what is almost impossible for others, left me reflecting.
In any case, poor families all those affected in one way or another by this virus…
 
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For the same reason that pictures of people lining up for peanut butter cause a lot of people to go an start hoarding peanut butter. When people see that ashes are available and funerals allowed they will all go in an effort to finish their duty to their loved ones. In China, where media is controlled, they control media to control crowds. They don’t want lots of people in the same cramped funeral areas at once, so they manage it. You might object to the control of the media but the intention is really, really good.
It’s odd. We know social or physical distancing is in effect everywhere for the public and people have gotten the message but magically except for funeral areas.
Don’t know about you but I’m doing all I can to keep away from people. I’m obeying all the rules. I haven’t been out of the house for nearly two weeks. But if someone close to me died then you’d have a hard time stopping me attending the funeral, especially if I saw on social media that everyone else was doing it.

But…if we see others are doing the hard yards and making sacrifices, it becomes easier for us to do.
 
It’s odd. We know social or physical distancing is in effect everywhere for the public and people have gotten the message but magically except for funeral areas. Odd that the people in charge wouldn’t get them to distance if they happen to forget.
If you look at the images of the very small areas in which ashes are deposited, several funerals at once would immediately cause congestion. These are not lawn cemeteries in the mid-west
 
I do wonder what we would have seen before the pandemic if we’d looked at funeral homes in China. What with the staggeringly high population, wouldn’t you expect a high number of funerals even on a normal day?

just did a quick search on Statistics Canada’s website.

In December 2018 we recorded 24,669 deaths in Canada.

Wuhan has a little below 1/3 of Canada’s population. How many deaths would you normally see in one month? Even 7000 in that city would be on par with Canada in a normal month.
 
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This is the same regime that has killed millions of people.

The casualties from the virus isn’t even a drop in their bucket of homicides.
 
This is the same regime that has killed millions of people.

The casualties from the virus isn’t even a drop in their bucket of homicides.
No, there’s some sort of innocent explanation for those according to some.
 
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A group of volunteers in China who worked to prevent digital records of the coronavirus outbreak from being scrubbed by censors are now targets of a crackdown.
Another GitHub page, #2020 nCov memory, which was initiated by seven volunteers around the world to chronicle personal accounts and news stories of the outbreak, is no longer publicly available.
In addition to the GitHub volunteers, three journalists have also disappeared since February while reporting from Wuhan, the city where the outbreak was first discovered. Among them, only Li Zehua, a former employee of the state broadcaster, recently resurfaced, and said in a video that he had been detained and placed under quarantine by police for “disrupting public order,” but also praised the actions of the police. The whereabouts of citizen journalists Chen Qiushi and Fan Bin remain unknown.
 
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I was there during the spring festival and after, so I got to experience the whole thing firsthand. It was interesting.

Firstly I can say, aside from the local Wuhan administration sitting on their hands for too long, the government did respond appropriately if not heavy-handed. Within about two days, the whole country closed. Barely a car on the road, which could have been government vehicles; no restaurants, shops, etc. Highway checkpoints were set up going in/out of every city. We were stuck in my in-laws’ apartment complex; most urban communities are gated, with guards and you could not get in or out, without special permission under certain circumstances. I was stuck a few extra days because of that and flights being cancelled for lack of passengers. When it initially started, just before they stopped letting people out of their communities, we could get out but tried to go into another community to visit some relatives; the guards would not let us in, so they took us to the local party office to ask for an exception. We ended up getting jerked around for two hours or so, though the CPC officials were extremely nice and professional, before being told there is no exception. So our uncle came out in his car, we went around the corner, and piled into the trunk and sneaked in that way.

Because of the flights, my wife was stuck there an additional two months or so, which wasn’t that bad. A cousin who is a doctor was sent to work in Wuhan, and from the videos he sent it seemed like they actually had it better than we did.

There’s a huge cultural difference there; the people almost universally respect the military and law enforcement, and consider themselves responsible for their community instead of individualistic. Unlike here, where we have had a shelter-in-place order yet everyone is still outside doing whatever, having house parties, etc.

Our in-laws are mostly military, police, educators, and doctors. As a foreigner I have to go to the police and register every time I arrive; I have never been mistreated by them, in fact they are usually pretty cool and laid-back. Not all are CPC members (you can tell by a red flag pin on their shirt) and those that are usually end up promoting to higher ranks with less public interaction. Dad (in-law) was in the PLA in his younger years, and an uncle; the first time I ever met them we all sat around drinking and making jokes about communism. My wife was technically a party member, a practicing Catholic, and a CCTV journalist. My other in-laws aren’t what you’d call Christian even; they know who God is, and Jesus, and they even believe in their existence. Yet they have no clue what the Ten Commandments are, Sunday obligation, etc.
 
Yes, you cannot access YouTube, Facebook, etc without a VPN; yet almost everyone has a VPN. There’s also other things blocked, like porn, since it is illegal (as it should be). There’s a lot of degeneracy on Facebook, YouTube, and other social media that we have in the west; China is far from perfect but some of these controversial and iron-fisted laws can be somewhat sensible.

It’s not anything like it used to be in the 60s and 70s, believe me. Ironically there have been Antifa-type activists who have gone to jail for their political activity and one particular guy who got nine months in jail for saying Mao wasn’t a mass murderer. I believe the Tomb-Sweeping Festival was canceled also; their cemeteries are not like ours; it’s very packed, efficient use of land I guess. We had a grandma who was afraid of fire and did not want to be cremated; fortunately she died literally the day before the government started mandating cremation.
 
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