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Riley259:

My daughter is a medical assistant in a practice where both gynecology and pregnancy terminations take place. Last year a man left a pipe bomb in the parking lot of the facility which was, fortunately, spotted by the wife of one of the doctors on staff. Police, fire and rescue, even the FBI were called in and had to defuse the bomb with a robotic device. The employees were not permitted to drive their cars home; they had to be driven home by a third party. Traffic was tied up on the interstate southbound lane for several hours. The man was tried, convicted and sentenced to 40 years in prison for, among other things, using weapons of mass destruction.

This is not smoke and mirrors, man. His intention was to kill and maim. Even a UPS delivery person could have lost his or her life. If you think this is a rare and random event, you are mistaken. Do not diminish these acts as insignificant. These “wacko” people are doing the very thing you lobby against: murder.

marietta
 
But then again, I am for banning abortions except for certain circumstances after 18 weeks gestation.
Under what possible set of circumstances does a child’s life stop being worth protecting? Why after 18 weeks? What makes day 1 of week 18 so special?
 
Under what possible set of circumstances does a child’s life stop being worth protecting? Why after 18 weeks? What makes day 1 of week 18 so special?
Maybe because they don’t really start to feel pain until around 18 weeks? Or maybe because I just don’t see the point in giving what is basically a blob of tissue rights? I honestly just don’t think that the fetus has consciousness until at least 18 weeks.
 
**brandymmiller: **

If birth control pills destroy the female body, why are they routinely prescribed to very young teenage girls to regulate their periods?

Don’t raise your girls to be helpless victims. Vaccinate with Gardisil. Off-label vaccinate your boys as well, and please, do your part to eliminate the NEED for abortion: educate your children about how their bodies work - give them the facts. And cultivate the parallel spiritual life. Maybe they won’t be compelled to date-rape a classmate or smoke heroin in the girls’ room. Science is good for something. Use it.

Our opinions and beliefs come into existence through our experiences in life. Have you been sexually assaulted? Are you an alcoholic and drug addict? Have you ever been in the position where you even briefly considered abortion? Have you ever miscarried a pregnancy? Have you ever in your life missed a meal, been stone broke, had absolutely no one to rely on? You dare to call me ignorant? You want to try that again?

marietta

Birth control pills are prescribed to very young girls by doctors and clinics who give no care at all for the girl who is taking them but for the color of her money, or the government’s money if she happens to be on welfare. Gardasil doesn’t protect you from all types of cervical cancer - even the commercials admit it, and what’s worse is that that shot gives a girl a false sense of security that it will making her even more likely to engage in sex carelessly. It’s no kindness to that girl. Better to teach her to control herself and to love herself enough to say no to sex until she’s ready for the consequences that come with sex.

I don’t educate my child to be a helpless victim. I educate him, and have since he was very young, on how babies are made. I also have told him if he isn’t ready to support a baby then he isn’t ready to do the things that make them. Further more I have told him I don’t care WHAT she says, do not have sex with any woman until you are ready to make the lifetime commitment that sex implies and IF you are ready to make that commitment to her and love her that much then love her enough to wait until you are married. I teach him to respect women, all women, with his mind and his body by not using either to do things that are harmful to women.

I was sexually molested by my stepfather from the age of four years until I was 9 years old. I had been telling people for five years, but it wasn’t until I was 9 that someone finally listened and did something to stop it. I was forced to perform oral sex on him almost daily. I knew how to french kiss before I left kindergarten. I watched him beat my mother. I have lived in incredible poverty. I was pregnant with my son, 19 years old, and homeless for three weeks. We lived in a car and I prayed each day we would find a safe place to sleep. We had no where to go, no one to turn to. We were on our own. I have been dead broke and had no idea where my next meal was coming from. I grew up in a level of poverty that most people never dream of, with my mother bringing in $275 a month from unemployment that somehow was supposed to feed, clothe, and house the four of us. We lived in a tiny two bedroom travel trailer that was infested with roaches the day we moved into it. My brother was the product of my father raping my mother. My sister was the product of my stepfather’s union with my mother. Before my mother became pregnant with my sister, I though abortion was okay because everyone had told me it was okay. When I learned my mother was pregnant with my sister, though, I realized that she was alive in a very concrete way and she had every right to live. It wasn’t her fault that her father had done such terrible things. My family and I have, through the grace of God, been able to heal but it has been a long and hard road to travel. I hope someday you’ll decide to put aside your clear hatred for men and chose to forgive the one who hurt you so you don’t have to carry that burden of hatred with you every day.

What happened to me and to my mother was a terrible, horrible thing that left scars on my heart, in my head, and to a lesser degree on my body. However, just because one man did bad things doesn’t mean all men are like that. My husband isn’t like that. My brother isn’t like that. My male friends aren’t like that. Should I judge all women because of my bad experience with some women? Isn’t that the very definition of prejudice? Is that a Christian attitude? Christ was a man. If I hate all men, don’t I reject Christ? God created men, just as He created women, and He created them as they are for a reason and a purpose that was good. Some men don’t live up to their potential, but then again sometimes I don’t either.
 
Maybe because they don’t really start to feel pain until around 18 weeks? Or maybe because I just don’t see the point in giving what is basically a blob of tissue rights? I honestly just don’t think that the fetus has consciousness until at least 18 weeks.
By week 11, our baby has all of the major organ systems and is a distinctly recognizable human being complete with fingers and visible toes. I can scan a beautiful picture of the feet of a 10 week old baby if you’d like. BTW - if a baby has all the major organ systems in place that also means that baby can feel pain. In fact, the brain develops from the brain stem, which means that the FIRST thing to develop is the area which is our most primitive portion and that area is responsible for detecting pain and processing pain. The first stages of brain development are visible at week 5 and this is also the week that the heart begins to beat.
The “blob of tissue” is not a blob at all. It is a baby. A human being. Our looks don’t dictate our right to live, thank goodness, otherwise I might have been killed years ago :P.
 
brandymmiller:
As in every line of business, there is a faction of practitioners whose sole interest is the bottom line. There are definitely doctors who prescribe drugs because they have found illnesses to be idiopathic and they are trying to narrow down the field of possible causes; some perhaps write prescriptions with the same motivation. Although pharmaceutical companies and doctors are in bed together with regard to drug trials and such, it is the pharmaceutical companies that profit from the prescription-writing. Often, doctors will give samples of drugs before they are prescribed just to see if the patient experiences any appreciable change in or relief from a condition. The physician’s oath is to “First, do no harm” - I find your perceptions of how the medical/pharmaceutical industry operates to be a bit lopsided, leaning more toward Lenny Bruce (without the humor) than Jesus.

Any woman with cycles that swing anywhere from, say, 14 days to 58 days in length, with no regularity and no warning as to when the periods are due, is going to look for a solution to this medical problem. It may not be birth control pills, but they do work for many women who find them to be a blessing. My daughter has been on birth control pills since she was 14; she had her first period at nine years of age, as she entered what’s called “precocious puberty” - though not a perfect solution, this has made her cycles more manageable.

She has received the Gardisil vaccine. True, there are more than 40 types of HPV that can infect men and women, and Gardasil does not protect against each and every type. But most people who become infected do not even know they have it; a person can have HPV even if years have passed since he or she has had sex, and (rarely) a woman can pass the virus to her baby during a vaginal delivery. Some protection is better than no protection. A reasonable woman would not have herself vaccinated just so she can go trolling for casual sex partners.
The suggestion that Gardasil provides “false security” is insulting to women who love themselves enough to vaccinate against the unforseen. And you must know, given your background, that even if a girl or woman learns to “control herself”, all too frequently in our culture, boys and men are encouraged to “grab a piece”. This is not a parenting issue; it is a peer issue. It is a media issue. It is domination and sense of entitlement. It is cultural disintegration.

I find your argument archaic and insubstantial.

You want me to come to a place where I can forgive the one who hurt me. The ONE? I have no hatred of men. I despise choices many men have made which have impacted my life in ways negative and demeaning. But I have many male friends. I work with men whom I respect, admire, and whose company I enjoy. It’s not my relation to men that’s at issue here. It’s a woman’s right to choose reproductive destiny. If a woman chooses a Gardasil vaccine or an IUD or a pill-method abortion, that doesn’t go on your tally sheet at the pearly gates. It goes on
hers. Evangelizing is one thing, condemnation is another. At least Holly3278 is thinking about the complexities of the abortion issue. *Isn’t that what you people want? *

marietta
 
Riley259:

My daughter is a medical assistant in a practice where both gynecology and pregnancy terminations take place. Last year a man left a pipe bomb in the parking lot of the facility which was, fortunately, spotted by the wife of one of the doctors on staff. Police, fire and rescue, even the FBI were called in and had to defuse the bomb with a robotic device. The employees were not permitted to drive their cars home; they had to be driven home by a third party. Traffic was tied up on the interstate southbound lane for several hours. The man was tried, convicted and sentenced to 40 years in prison for, among other things, using weapons of mass destruction.

This is not smoke and mirrors, man. His intention was to kill and maim. Even a UPS delivery person could have lost his or her life. If you think this is a rare and random event, you are mistaken. Do not diminish these acts as insignificant. These “wacko” people are doing the very thing you lobby against: murder.

marietta
I agree that these people are wacko and committing some seriously evil acts but I still contend that they are very small minority of people and do not in any way represent the mainstream pro-life movement. I just don’t like it when people use these extreme examples to paint a broad picture…it creates an image of fanatics, zeolots, crazies, etc. that are not fair to the true portrait of a person who describes themselves as pro-life and against all abortions.
 
I have changed my position on abortion once and for all. I believe that abortion is evil and that the only time it may be acceptable is when the mother’s life or health is in danger. Even then I wouldn’t get an abortion without praying about it and possibly discussing it with your pastor first. That said, I still think that it is okay to use condoms and other non-abortifacient birth control.
 
The suggestion that Gardasil provides “false security” is insulting to women who love themselves enough to vaccinate against the unforseen.
An ineffective vaccination with incredible side effects that can cause sterilization. Not an acceptable answer to the problem, IMHO.
And you must know, given your background, that even if a girl or woman learns to “control herself”, all too frequently in our culture, boys and men are encouraged to “grab a piece”. This is not a parenting issue; it is a peer issue. It is a media issue. It is domination and sense of entitlement. It is cultural disintegration.
I do know that men and boys can be led by their peer groups and the media to do terrible things to the bodies of others. This does not make men bad, wrong, or evil inherently. It is a parenting issue, because as a parent it is my job to help my son understand how wrong those messages are and to help him find the courage to stand apart from his peer group when they are encouraging him to do wrong things. Many parents have the attitude of “boys will be boys”. This is damaging, as it reduces the feeling of responsibility and accountability for action that is necessary for a man to restrain himself and learn to be strong by being gentle.
I find your argument archaic and insubstantial.

You want me to come to a place where I can forgive the one who hurt me. The ONE? I have no hatred of men. I despise choices many men have made which have impacted my life in ways negative and demeaning. But I have many male friends. I work with men whom I respect, admire, and whose company I enjoy. It’s not my relation to men that’s at issue here.
When you stand and say that abortion and birth control can all be laid at the feet of men, and that it’s the fault of all men that those things exist then, yes, you have a problem and a hatred of men though you do not recognize it as what it is. You find my argument archaid and insubstantial and that is okay. I understand. You are not where I am, you cannot see what I see. I have been somewhere you haven’t been. I am not surprised if you don’t understand when I try to describe to you things that you haven’t seen.
It’s a woman’s right to choose reproductive destiny.
You are correct, madam. She is free to chose to use her gift of sexuality in any way that she sees fit. It is not, however, her right to chose to take someone else’s life.
If a woman chooses a Gardasil vaccine or an IUD or a pill-method abortion, that doesn’t go on your tally sheet at the pearly gates. It goes on
hers.
It does indeed go on her tally sheet. It goes on mine if I don’t at least try to convince her to change her mind.
Evangelizing is one thing, condemnation is another.
I do not condemn anyone. I have no room to do so. I merely make a concerted effort to stop my sisters from jumping off the same cliff I once did so that she needn’t experience the same pains I have.
 
yes, this is a sad issue around the world. We should pray to stop it but until some countries make changes, the situation will never improve. In China, there is the limit of how many children you can have - this needs to be lifted to that couples are not forced to make such a hard choice - they need a boy to help take care of them when they are older.

In India, there are many catholics and the majoity is Hindu - which are the ones mainly having these selective abortions. Because of the dowry system it is hard for parents to have daughters when they have to give all they have away to their husbands. The law in India states dowry is illegal, but unfortunately it is still practiced my many, if not the majority. It is viewed as helping the husband take the best care of the daughter, and while that is a great and admirable thing, the result is that it is hard to afford daughters, and sons are the ones who take care of the parents in older age. These attitudes need to change and the police need to uphold the law which makes dowry illegal.

As for other countries, the fact is that many males want sons, and are dissapointed with the thought of having daughters. I don’t know if this will ever change 😦 as this thinking has been around since the dawn of day.

I mean, here is a modern day example of men being more “important”. I am not completely clear on why women can’t be priests, for example. They can be nuns, but they can not preach, etc. We just had vocation day where we prayed for the vocation of MEN, but what about the WOMEN that are called and want to serve as nuns - prayers dont’ count for them? And people wonder why a woman can’t be a president when we can’t even have women priests. Are we considered too stupid to be cleargy? I just don’t get it, but I am sure someone will have an answer :confused:
 
Blue -

I used to feel like you, that the Church was deeming us unworthy somehow to be priests. Now I understand.

We are the Church Militant, and priests are the front line of the Catholic Church. When you become a priest, you paint a large bulls-eye on the front of your chest and open yourself up to the attacks of outsiders and those who would tear the Church apart. God built men to be that front line, giving them flight-or-fight reflexes, strong muscles, and plenty of testosterone.

If we, as women, attempt to join the men in their front line fight, they will be too distracted trying to protect us to do their job as well as they should. We help our men to fight their battles best by doing as they tell us without distracting them by arguing during the battle. Naturally, in a loving relationship such as the one between the Priesthood and the Church, we can tell by our partner’s tone of voice and his body actions how serious the matter at hand is and whether there is room for debate on the topic. However, in the heat of battle, such as we are in now, we need to obey. If we obey, the priests can focus on doing their job. The last thing they need is for us to be attacking from the rear as they attempt to protect us from the attacks from the front and sides.

The best way that we can join the fight and do the most good is to battle from our knees and from our hearts. We must pray for the priests and the deacons. We must defend “our men” when outsiders would attack them with the heart of a lion. We must raise our children to be obedient, and train them to be willing servants of God, even and especially if they feel the call to join that front line of defense. It is our job to protect the little ones of the Church, ensuring that they are hidden in the safety of Her teachings and calling back all of those who have gone astray. We must, in essence, be the heart of the Church, the seat of wisdom, and of love. Fewer priests would go astray if they had more encouragement to stay faithful and to keep going, more women praying for them.

It may be that the reason your priest called for vocations to the priesthood and to the deaconate instead of to the religious life (for women) is that there are more women joining religious orders than there are men. The need for priests is greater at this time in the battle, as so many of our priests are being slain spiritually and we need fresh troops to keep going. There are few deacons, too, and this causes the priests to have to do extra work which makes them burn out more quickly.
 
We are the Church Militant, and priests are the front line of the Catholic Church. When you become a priest, you paint a large bulls-eye on the front of your chest and open yourself up to the attacks of outsiders and those who would tear the Church apart. God built men to be that front line, giving them flight-or-fight reflexes, strong muscles, and plenty of testosterone. :confused: :confused:

First time I’ve ever seen anything like that! This is absurd, if I may say so. Are we in the Middle Ages? What are you talking about?🤷
 
We are the Church Militant, and priests are the front line of the Catholic Church. When you become a priest, you paint a large bulls-eye on the front of your chest and open yourself up to the attacks of outsiders and those who would tear the Church apart. God built men to be that front line, giving them flight-or-fight reflexes, strong muscles, and plenty of testosterone. :confused: :confused:

First time I’ve ever seen anything like that! This is absurd, if I may say so. Are we in the Middle Ages? What are you talking about?🤷
People are discussing this topic in Liturgy and Sacraments, Apologetics and Vocations, I believe. Why not pop over there and join in?
 
I have changed my position on abortion once and for all. I believe that abortion is evil and that the only time it may be acceptable is when the mother’s life or health is in danger. Even then I wouldn’t get an abortion without praying about it and possibly discussing it with your pastor first. That said, I still think that it is okay to use condoms and other non-abortifacient birth control.
Holly, I am reminded of this bit from the parable of the prodigal son:

And rising up he came to his father. And when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and running to him fell upon his neck, and kissed him.
Luke 15:20

When we take a step toward our Father, the whole of Christendom rejoices.
 
brandymmiller:

Gardasil is effective against four types of HPV, two types that cause 70% of cervical cancer cases, and two more types that cause 90% of genital warts cases. It has not been shown to cause infertility or sterilization. As for “incredible” side effects, it is not recommended to women who are already pregnant, due to the possibility that it could cause birth defects. As with any vaccine released on the market, it comes with fair warning to anyone who wants to be vaccinated.

For anyone interested in the facts about Gardasil, you may go to:

gardasil.com/what-is-gardasil/cervical-cancer-vaccine/

pediatrics.about.com/od/immunizations/p/06_gardasil.htm

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/63651.php

Gardasil does not cause infertility or sterilization. I’m interested to know the source of your disinformation.

I don’t lay responsibility for overpopulation, pregnancy out of wedlock, sexually transmitted diseases, etc. exclusively at the feet of men. Women share the blame. But to fail to protect oneself or one’s child from cancer if a vaccine is available is just plain stupid. If parents had withheld the polio vaccine, imagine what the world would look like today.

Gardasil and sex come up in the same sentence, and it sends a shiver of revulsion and panic through the religious right. Not so with the measles, mumps or rubella vaccines, nor even with the hepatitis B vaccine. I find it fascinating, though disheartening, that such disinformation surrounds this new vaccine. My sister is currently in the hospital being treated for cervical cancer again. Her physician has told her that she may survive 6-18 months. She would have volunteered to be vaccinated with Gardasil if were available to her 25 years ago. I’m sure she would rather have had redness and soreness at an injection site than chemo and a poor prognosis any day.

Oh, and did I tell you I don’t hate men? Did you get that part? Maybe you want to go back and read my earlier post. Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough: I don’t hate men. I hate the behaviors of some men. Pigeon-holing me makes you look bad.

I’ve laid my cards on the table here. I’m not talking in hushed tones and metaphors and veiled suggestions as to my experiences. If you are trying to stop your sisters “from jumping off the same cliff” you once did, let’s hear it. Put it out there in black and white. Let’s see how your life experience has taken you to where you are now. I’d like to see if you can hold my attention.

marietta
 
Holly, I am reminded of this bit from the parable of the prodigal son:

And rising up he came to his father. And when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and running to him fell upon his neck, and kissed him.
Luke 15:20

When we take a step toward our Father, the whole of Christendom rejoices.
Thanks PapaSquash. Your post is very encouraging. 👍
 
au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/43654/health/gardasil-effects-controversy

496 women given gardasil through a government sponsored program have experienced side effects of nausea, hallucinations, dizziness and paralysis.

" The National Vaccine Information Center yesterday warned state officials to investigate the safety of a breakthrough cancer vaccine as Texas became the first state to make the vaccine mandatory for school-age girls. Negative side effects of GARDASIL, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures. “Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures,” said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries." - Gregory Lopes, The Washington Times, Feb. 3, 2007

“Of the more than 25,000 patients who participated in clinical trials of Gardasil, only 1,184 were preteen girls. “That’s a thin base of testing upon which to make a vaccine mandatory,” says Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center, an advocacy group that lobbies for safer vaccines…Merck acknowledges that it doesn’t know yet whether an initial vaccination will offer lifetime protection or whether patients will need booster shots. So far, the company has shown only that the vaccine lasts five years…As part of its lobbying campaign, Merck has been funding Women in Government, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group made up of female state lawmakers…Merck declined to say how much money it has funneled into its lobbying campaign, or contributed to Women in Government. “Parents should be concerned that the only company that makes this vaccine is pushing behind the scenes for mandatory laws,” says Maryann Napoli, associate director for the Center for Medical Consumers, a consumer group based in New York…Mandatory vaccination across the U.S. would make Gardasil an automatic blockbuster for Merck at a time when the patents on some of its bestselling drugs are expiring and it’s desperate to replace their revenue streams. Gardasil’s sales in 2006 were $235 million.” - John Carreyrou, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 7

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2]

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 5] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 7] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 10] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

inciid.org/article.php?cat=womansupport&id=433

As to my own personal history, I gave some of it in the forums earlier. You are welcome to re-read my posts if you have forgotten them. I have used birth control once. It caused severe depression and weight gain, and infertility as well. I have spoken with women who developed cancers, leg clots that nearly killed them, infertility, PCOS, and other diseases from having used birth control. I have seen the pain of abortion not merely from one woman, but from my two sisters-in-law and my mother. Each regrets their decision. It tore my husband’s family completely apart. Four of my siblings were killed by abortions. Four lives completely snuffed out and they were innocent victims. They had done no wrong. Those abortions nearly tore our family apart. God is healing it, but it is slow in coming.

I’m not pigeon-holing you. I made an observation based upon statements you made. You say you don’t hate men but you spew it frequently. Perhaps you aren’t aware of it. You seem angry and bitter. I’m not hiding anything, I’m not judging you, and I’m not angry. I am speaking out because I care and because I think that if I can save even one woman from having to hurt this way, I’ll gladly be honest and open with the world about where I’ve been and what I’ve done. I threw away my gift of fertility with both hands because I didn’t see it as a gift. I abused my gift of sexuality and ended up feeling so broken, so used up, and so empty. I wish with all my heart that I hadn’t done those things, but I can’t change my past. All I can do is walk boldly into my future and tell every woman I meet who is considering doing those things about what lies on that path. Even if they don’t seem to listen, maybe I can plant a seed that God will water and help to grow.
 
au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/43654/health/gardasil-effects-controversy

496 women given gardasil through a government sponsored program have experienced side effects of nausea, hallucinations, dizziness and paralysis.

" The National Vaccine Information Center yesterday warned state officials to investigate the safety of a breakthrough cancer vaccine as Texas became the first state to make the vaccine mandatory for school-age girls. Negative side effects of GARDASIL, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures. “Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures,” said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries." - Gregory Lopes, The Washington Times, Feb. 3, 2007

“Of the more than 25,000 patients who participated in clinical trials of Gardasil, only 1,184 were preteen girls. “That’s a thin base of testing upon which to make a vaccine mandatory,” says Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center, an advocacy group that lobbies for safer vaccines…Merck acknowledges that it doesn’t know yet whether an initial vaccination will offer lifetime protection or whether patients will need booster shots. So far, the company has shown only that the vaccine lasts five years…As part of its lobbying campaign, Merck has been funding Women in Government, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group made up of female state lawmakers…Merck declined to say how much money it has funneled into its lobbying campaign, or contributed to Women in Government. “Parents should be concerned that the only company that makes this vaccine is pushing behind the scenes for mandatory laws,” says Maryann Napoli, associate director for the Center for Medical Consumers, a consumer group based in New York…Mandatory vaccination across the U.S. would make Gardasil an automatic blockbuster for Merck at a time when the patents on some of its bestselling drugs are expiring and it’s desperate to replace their revenue streams. Gardasil’s sales in 2006 were $235 million.” - John Carreyrou, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 7

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2]

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 5] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 7] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 10] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

inciid.org/article.php?cat=womansupport&id=433

As to my own personal history, I gave some of it in the forums earlier. You are welcome to re-read my posts if you have forgotten them. I have used birth control once. It caused severe depression and weight gain, and infertility as well. I have spoken with women who developed cancers, leg clots that nearly killed them, infertility, PCOS, and other diseases from having used birth control. I have seen the pain of abortion not merely from one woman, but from my two sisters-in-law and my mother. Each regrets their decision. It tore my husband’s family completely apart. Four of my siblings were killed by abortions. Four lives completely snuffed out and they were innocent victims. They had done no wrong. Those abortions nearly tore our family apart. God is healing it, but it is slow in coming.

I’m not pigeon-holing you. I made an observation based upon statements you made. You say you don’t hate men but you spew it frequently. Perhaps you aren’t aware of it. You seem angry and bitter. I’m not hiding anything, I’m not judging you, and I’m not angry. I am speaking out because I care and because I think that if I can save even one woman from having to hurt this way, I’ll gladly be honest and open with the world about where I’ve been and what I’ve done. I threw away my gift of fertility with both hands because I didn’t see it as a gift. I abused my gift of sexuality and ended up feeling so broken, so used up, and so empty. I wish with all my heart that I hadn’t done those things, but I can’t change my past. All I can do is walk boldly into my future and tell every woman I meet who is considering doing those things about what lies on that path. Even if they don’t seem to listen, maybe I can plant a seed that God will water and help to grow.
Wow. Hallucinations? :eek: That is just freaky!
 
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You quote conservative publications, as I expected you would. I have trouble believing that some of these vaccine reactions truly occurred. Yes, they say so, and I’m sure they swear on the St. Joseph version of the Holy Bible. Vaccine reactions occur no matter what the doctors are vaccinating against. Have you ever had a tetanus shot? Pain and tenderness at the injection site? Hardly an unmanageable response to the vaccine. But appendicitis? Lupus? Arthritis? PID? Paralysis? Please, someone with a legitimate medical background explain this and document it for me. I assist doctors giving vaccines 5 days a week, 10 hours a day. In eight years I have seen only two cases of vaccine reaction. Hallucinations? That’s more than freaky. That’s fantasy.

So, you used birth control and it caused infertility? Was that something other than what you expected? Did your physician not explain the side effects of birth control methods to you? This sounds like a Copper 7 story, or a Dalkon Shield story, the IUDs that were removed from the market because they caused pelvic infections in some women and left them infertile. This was in the mid -1970s to about the mid -1980s. But every single method of birth control has been accompanied by disclaimers, warnings, and explanations to the patient by the prescribing physician of the risks involved, and these have been significant. That’s a lot of hurdles to jump over in pursuit of living child-free. So now you want to share this with other women, which is understandable; but remember, you accepted the risk and other women should be free to accept risks of their choice, too, without being harangued.

One thing needs to be cleared up here, and I ask you to put both feet on the floor, take a breath and make a sincere effort to understand this: It is not men that I have a problem with. It is the* behaviors *of some men. I have tried to make myself abundantly clear on this over and over, but you are more comfortable painting me as an emasculating, hateful wench. Haven’t you ever considered the phrase, “Hate the sin, not the sinner?” Is it so difficult for you to grasp the concept? I am acutely aware of what I’m writing and the impact I want it to have when it’s read. If you are interpreting my posts as those of a man-hater, then please go back and re-read them. I do have anger about things that have been done to me by men over the years, but I don’t judge all men by that yardstick; I form opinions about men as individuals, not as members of the male sex. I actually get along better with men than I do with women. So give me a break on this: I’m allowed anger, or is that unCatholic, too?

marietta
 
So, you used birth control and it caused infertility? Was that something other than what you expected?
I was told that it would cause me to be temporarily infertile, not 11 years of infertility post-birth control usage. I was told it would allow me the freedom to choose when I got pregnant, which wasn’t the truth at all.
Did your physician not explain the side effects of birth control methods to you? This sounds like a Copper 7 story, or a Dalkon Shield story, the IUDs that were removed from the market because they caused pelvic infections in some women and left them infertile. This was in the mid -1970s to about the mid -1980s. But every single method of birth control has been accompanied by disclaimers, warnings, and explanations to the patient by the prescribing physician of the risks involved, and these have been significant. That’s a lot of hurdles to jump over in pursuit of living child-free.
No one EVER told me it might cause permanent infertility, or that I was at risk of blood clots, or that it might cause me to gain weight and experience the depression I did. They may have given me a pamphlet that explained it in itty bitty fine print, but they did not disclose those risks. If they had, I would not have taken the stuff. This was not a mid-1970’s or mid-1980s birth control. This was Depo Provera, taken in 1995.
but remember, you accepted the risk and other women should be free to accept risks of their choice, too, without being harangued.
When have I harangued anyone? Have I spoken harshly to you? Have I called you names? Have I treated you poorly?
One thing needs to be cleared up here, and I ask you to put both feet on the floor, take a breath and make a sincere effort to understand this: It is not men that I have a problem with. It is the* behaviors *of some men. I have tried to make myself abundantly clear on this over and over, but you are more comfortable painting me as an emasculating, hateful wench.Haven’t you ever considered the phrase, “Hate the sin, not the sinner?” Is it so difficult for you to grasp the concept?
Marietta - I do not try to paint you in any light. Your words showed to me that you were angry towards men, and I addressed that anger. I know you think I judge you. I don’t. I understand being angry. I understand being furious with the whole world because they didn’t do anything to stop my pain. I felt abandoned by everyone who was supposed to protect me, not the least of which was God himself. I wasn’t able to heal until I forgave the father who left me before I was four, the man who molested me when I was four until I was nine, the mother who didn’t stop it soon enough, the sister who looked the other way and wouldn’t testify in court to what had gone on, the teachers who never asked the questions, the neighbors who were told and did nothing, the grandparents who weren’t involved enough to notice and didn’t question too much what they did notice.
So give me a break on this: I’m allowed anger, or is that unCatholic, too?
Actually, yes, anger is one of the seven deadly sins. It prevents you from experiencing the healing graces of forgiveness. It promotes arrogance, by allowing you to hold a lofty position over the one who hurt you. When I want to be angry at someone for hurting me, I find that it helps me a great deal if I reflect on the times in my life when I have done something similar. I once had a girlfriend whom I trusted with everything I had, including my husband. She abused my trust. To forgive her was hard, but I realized I had done the same when I was much younger and it became easier to forgive, to have compassion for where she was in life. Not that I believe that the sin committed was okay, or that it was justified, but that I could understand and love her in spite of her sin.

Like you, I used to have a lot of male friends, more so than I had female friends. I also had a saying about men, that they are binary and all you had to do to work a man was know which “head” was doing the thinking at the time. Not very respectful or loving of me, and I’m not proud of it. I am glad to say that since then I have grown to see that men are so much more than that.
 
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