Chosing your Religion is Against the Rule of God

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Musab al-Zarqawi, the “prince” of al Qaeda in Iraq, appointed by Osama Bin Laden, came out and agreed with President Bush. “We have declared a fierce war on this evil principle of democracy and those who follow this wrong ideology,” Zarqawi declared in a statement. “Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion,” he said, and that is “against the rule of God.”
 
If you peruse the incalculably valuable website Memri.org — which translates articles, manifestoes, and broadcasts from across the Arabic world — you will find countless declarations from Islamist groups declaring that democracy is an “atheist” heresy that replaces the law of God with the law of man, and that anyone who advocates elections is ipso facto an infidel. In his December statement, Osama bin Laden “ruled” — as if he has any right to do so — that Iraqi forces who aid the upcoming elections “are apostates who should not be prayed over upon their deaths. They cannot inherit, and they must not be inherited from [after their deaths]. Their wives are divorced from them, and they must not be buried in Muslim cemeteries.”
 
“…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” - James Madison

“It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.” - Alexander Hamilton, June 21, 1788

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams

“Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.” - John Witherspoon
 
In their farsighted wisdom, I guess that’s why the founding fathers set up this country as a republic.
 
John TE said:
"…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." - James Madison

“It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.” - Alexander Hamilton, June 21, 1788

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams

“Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.” - John Witherspoon

I’m not sure what your point is.
 
Michael C:
I’m not sure what your point is.
My point is that we are attempting to set up a form of government in Iraq that will most certainly fail at the cost of great bloodshed.

If one criticizes Muslims for resisting democracy, then what of the American founders who also spoke against it?
 
John TE:
My point is that we are attempting to set up a form of government in Iraq that will most certainly fail at the cost of great bloodshed.

If one criticizes Muslims for resisting democracy, then what of the American founders who also spoke against it?
I’m aware the founding father said this:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Al Zarkowi believes in none of this.
 
Michael C:
I’m not sure what your point is.
I’d say rhink about it and check this posters posts and you’ll soon realized who or what he/she is doing.
 
Michael C:
I’m aware the founding father said this:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Al Zarkowi believes in none of this.
Would these be the same founding fathers that supported slavery?
 
rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2003/10/10/news/local/news01.txt

Bhutto took aim at her political rival, President Pervez Musharraf, a general who took power in a military coup in 1999. She credits Musharraf for his alliance with the Bush administration but continues to be troubled by his “military dictatorship of my country” and the U.S. backing he receives to continue it. She called his election a “mockery of justice” and said his dictatorship is “strangling our constitution.”

“I’m troubled by Gen. Musharraf’s administration,” she said. “He makes all the right noises … but is somehow unable to deliver on the ground.”

The United States should not believe that the only chance for political stability in an Islamic country is a military dictatorship, she said. That is the message Musharraf sends, and it is the wrong one, she believes.

"It is not a choice between military dictatorship or religious dictatorship," she said of Islamic countries such as her own. "Islam supports democracy, so I find it ironic that most Muslim countries today live under dictatorship."

Bhutto said the current Pakistan dictator says, “Accept me, or the beards will come in,” but she believes her supporters and other moderates have something better to offer — true democracy in a moderate, enlightened Islamic country.

Citing reports of Pakistani intelligence forces aiding al-Qaida terrorists, she said she is concerned about the Taliban and al-Qaida “finding sanctuary in my country.”

Although she won’t say that Musharraf is in collusion with forces that are sympathetic to al-Qaida or the Taliban, she does claim he has been, at best, “inefficient” in ousting them from his political circles.

Bhutto knows all too well the political problems that come from those who surround the powerful. Her own administration was charged with corruption and other scandals that many people attributed to her husband, who has been jailed in Pakistan for several years. She calls her husband a political prisoner who is a “hostage to my political career” and claims the charges, and her recent conviction in a Swiss court for money laundering, are politically motivated.

Her own political future, she said, is tied to U.S. support of democracy in Pakistan.

She wants to see the billions of dollars in U.S. military and economic aid to Pakistan linked to “genuine social and political reforms” that would guarantee free and independent elections. If that happens, her Pakistan People’s Party might be recognized as the rightful opposition party to Musharraf, which may lead to her return to the government.

Bhutto, 50, spoke glowingly of America and its political system and touched briefly on pieces of her personal story, which she recounts in her autobiography, “Destiny’s Daughter.”

“I flourished in America’s freedom,” she said, recalling her years of college education at Radcliffe and Harvard as “four of the happiest years of my life.” The Watergate scandal was her initiation into American politics, and she remembers being amazed that people could criticize a president without being thrown in jail.

Speaking of California’s recent recall election, she joked that, “You have too many elections, and we don’t have any.”

She couldn’t say whether Gray Davis or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be the better governor but remains amazed at the freedom and strengths of democracy. “It is the marvel of American politics that the people are so powerful.”

Bhutto answered questions from the audience about post-war Iraq, saying it would be a mistake for the United States to pull out too quickly. With so little legal, economic or military structure of its own in place, she believes the bloodshed that might erupt would put the violence of Rwanda and Bosnia to shame, she said.

The United Nations must play a significant role in post-war Iraq, and the sooner the better, she said.

Bhutto’s visit was sponsored by the John T. Vucurevich Foundation speaker’s series.
 
gilliam said:
*If you peruse the incalculably valuable website Memri.org — which translates articles, manifestoes, and broadcasts from across the Arabic world — you will find countless declarations from Islamist groups declaring that democracy is an “atheist” heresy that replaces the law of God with the law of man, and that anyone who advocates elections is ipso facto an infidel. *

arabmediawatch.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=436

From 2001, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has come to public prominence as a site that provides translations of the Middle Eastern press. MEMRI describes itself as an independent and objective organisation, even though almost all of its translations show Arabs in a negative light, particularly in regard to their stance towards Israel.

Someone who browses their internet site, www.memri.org, assuming that the translations are a representative example of the Arabic press, may be inclined to wonder why it is so full of statements that are inaccurate or crude. It would be more worthwhile to consider the nature of the organisation that produces the material.

Shortly after 11 September 2001, at the time when MEMRI was coming to international prominence, it changed its self-description on its website. Prior to September 11, the section on its website with its “mission statement” contained the following statement which is now absent:

“In its research, the institute puts emphasizes [sic] the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel.”

The mission statement and self-description of the organisation make it clear that it is an Israeli organisation with close connections to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) and its intelligence apparatus.

It also gives brief biographies of staff members, also now absent from the website. The president of the organization, reserve Colonel Yigal Carmon, “served in the IDF/Intelligence Branch from 1968 to 1988”, was the Acting Head of Civil Administration in the West Bank (the euphemistic name for the illegal military occupation) from 1977 to 1982 (the years of Menachem Begin), and “was Advisor to Premiers Shamir and Rabin for Countering Terrorism from 1988 to 1993”. Two of the other staff were members of IDF military intelligence, one was student coordinator for the World Zionist Organization, and one is a writer on Jabotinsky, who brokered the marriage between Zionism and fascism. The only other remaining staff member is a “stand-up comedian”.

The original section of the website is preserved here.

The cross-checks that AMW has done of their translations usually indicate that they are accurate textually, but they often misdescribe the author. For example, on one occasion - picked up by a journalist at The Daily Telegraph - they stated that a one-off letter-writer to an Egyptian paper was actually a “columnist”. They also often misdescribe the content of the articles in the headlines, so anyone just scanning through the titles would come to quite a mistaken view.

Examples of other mistakes are included in this article by the Guardian’s Middle East editor Brian Whitaker of 12 August 2002 entitled “Selective Memri”.

By passing itself off as an independent organisation with a quasi-academic name, MEMRI has deceived a number of journalists into thinking it is a reliable source of information. The fact that it has used duplicity to procure this impression, and that almost all its staff members have been strongly partisan in their political and military work, should cast immediate doubt upon its credibility as an organisation and the accuracy of its work.
 
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Matt25:
Would these be the same founding fathers that supported slavery?
These are the same founding fathers who began the process of liberty and fredom for all.
 
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