Christ Did NOT make Peter the head of the church

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Prayer for the Pope:

O GOD, the Shepherd and Ruler of all Thy faithful people, mercifully look upon Thy servant, (Pope Francis), whom Thou hast chosen as the chief Shepherd to reside over Thy Church; grant him, we beseech Thee, so to edify, both by word and example, those over whom he hath charge, that he may attain unto everlasting life, together with the flock committed unto him. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
 
Of course, I “went off to Peter.” Because PAUL DID. Paul compares himself with Peter for a reason

Ha ha, yo no bailo en la casa del trompo.

It’s not about you or me, although you seem to take our encounters that way. 🤷

You have about 70 or so passages in the NT to pull for Peter. This is not one of them.

Catholicism is not about Sola Petra, but about the Church through out the world. The Church, the successor of Peter is part of the Chruch, not the other way around. Our Pope will be the first one to say that.

Adios.
 
Ha ha, yo no bailo en la casa del trompo.

It’s not about you or me, although you seem to take our encounters that way. 🤷

You have about 70 or so passages in the NT to pull for Peter. This is not one of them.

Catholicism is not about Sola Petra, but about the Church through out the world. The Church, the successor of Peter is part of the Chruch, not the other way around. Our Pope will be the first one to say that.

Adios.
I was asleep and woke up thinking about this. Here is that thought.

Of course Paul is comparing himself to Peter. Peter was the original “rock” star. Thousands knew his name. He was an apostle, he lived with Jesus for three years, he walked on water, raised the dead, preached at Pentecost and called down judgment upon Ananias and Saphira. Even his shadow could heal. Peter had the keys of the royal steward. He was the vicar of Christ. Everyone wanted to see Peter, to touch Peter, to hear Peter speak.

And Paul, the greatest student of the greatest rabbi, Gamaliel, lived, worked and preached in the shadow of this Galilean fisherman called “Rock”.

Consequently, when people in Galatia or Corinth began to question Paul’s teachings or his credentials as an apostle or his abilities as an orator, who was Paul going to compare himself with? Thaddeus? Matthias?

:nope:

Paul was saying, “Look, I’ve seen the Lord, too, and I’ve worked just as hard, even harder for the gospel than all the others. I’ve been shipwrecked, imprisoned, flogged, left for dead. I’ve paid my dues as an apostle of Jesus Christ.”

But when Paul, the brilliant scholar, wanted to check his gospel, he compared it with the Gold Standard of the Christian faith. He went to Peter, and Peter “strengthened” his brother, Paul, by reassuring Paul and confirming the message that he was preaching.

Just as Jesus had commanded him to do. (cf. Lk. 22:32)

Spin that.
 
You have such little faith in the Holy Spirit.
No! I have such little faith in humanity. Look at the Israelites in the Old Testament. They heard God’s word from His own lips and still went astray. Without a central authority here on Earth, i.e. the Pope, we end up with Churches of one where each individual teaches themselves the Word of God and humans can make the Bible justify any of their actions.
 
It seems to me that if Jesus had not left Peter in charge that Christianity would have become nothing but anarchy and chaos.
Outside of the Catholic church there is nothing but division, its a fact. Even many Protestant’s would agree on that. I pray that they find their way home.
 
When Pope Callixstus made a degree to excommunicate a certain bishop, the entire Christian world acquiesce…this the working of the Holy Spirit.

One hundred % of tradition upholds Peter as head of the Church…and the common and universal unity affirms the unifying charism of the papacy.
 
Coming to an accurate knowledge of the meaning in what Jesus said in Matthew 16:13-20, and John 21:15-19, I feel is the absolute key issue between Catholics and non-Catholics. It does not necessarily need to be the starting point in any discussion, as I believe many non-Catholics, after much study and prayer, have come to finally accept the fact that Peter was set apart by Jesus as “the” shepherd of the church with the fullness of truth residing in it. They may have come to this conclusion by first investigating other differences in our faith’s, such as sola scriptura, sola fide, the real presence in the eucharist, devotion to Mary, communion of saints, morality, etc., and after seeing the truth of Catholic teaching in these other differences, then they found themselves faced with the ultimate question of authority in the church, who has it and why they have it.

Seeing as how I feel the issue of authority and the office of Peter is so vital, and this thread is already nearly 70 pages long, it would be good if we could stay on topic with the two key passages of scripture I indicated above, and not drift too far off.

oops, looks like we have another similar thread to take the place of this one, so I posted this comment on the new one too.
 
When Pope Callixstus made a degree to excommunicate a certain bishop, the entire Christian world acquiesce…this the working of the Holy Spirit.

One hundred % of tradition upholds Peter as head of the Church…and the common and universal unity affirms the unifying charism of the papacy.
Goodness gracious, when are we going to preach more Christ and less Peter…

Col 1:18 and Eph 5:23 are in direct contradiction of 100% of tradition then…
 
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