Christ died for our sins

[art_mucciante]

Christ died for our sins. What sins? original sin?, sins after baptism? what did the baptism of St John the baptist accomplish as it occured before Christ’ passion and death?

 

[bzkoss236]

I’ll start that St. John’s baptisms before Christ’s statements for baptism and how to do them was merely a symbol. If you look later in the New Testament people who were baptized by St. John the Baptist were later told to be rebaptized in the way Jesus said.

And Christ died for the redemption of ALL people and for the sins of everyone, past, present, and future. However, for salvation to occur, we have to follow Christ to the best of our ability, seek forgiveness when we fall away from God by sinning through confession.

Here is a Quick Question which answers in a different manner

 

[art_mucciante]

Dear bkkoss

Thanks for the info, could you direct me to the scriptures that discusses the invalid baptisms of John the baptists and any sections in scripture that relating to the sins redeamed by the death of Christ. It;s probably in St Paul letter to the Romans

 

[ConstantineTG]

All sins.

 

[JerBear_Meaux]

Christ died for our sins. What sins? original sin?, sins after baptism? what did the baptism of St John the baptist accomplish as it occured before Christ’ passion and death?

Are you saying that jesus’s baptism by St. john was invalid because St. john the baptist was only human?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Are you saying that jesus’s baptism by St. john was invalid because St. john the baptist was only human?

Christ’s baptism certainly is different from the baptism we receive. St John the Forerunner’s baptism was a call to repentance among the Jews. The Jewish baptism was reserved only for gentile converting into Judaism. But St. John baptized all as a call to repentance. When Christ lowered himself to be baptized by dipping into the water, instead of Christ being baptized it was all of creation that was baptized by Christ. It is Christ who is clean that made the unclean world clean.

 

[Vico]

Christ died for our sins. What sins? original sin?, sins after baptism? what did the baptism of St John the baptist accomplish as it occured before Christ’ passion and death?

To redeem means to free or buy back. Humanity was held captive, enslaved by sin: all sin which came as a result of the Fall (the original sin). Christ freed the dead in Hades that were just up to the time he descended. By the Holy Spirit given in the Holy Mysteries (at baptism and after) we receive eternal life, through our cooperation.

 

[JerBear_Meaux]

Christ’s baptism certainly is different from the baptism we receive. St John the Forerunner’s baptism was a call to repentance among the Jews. The Jewish baptism was reserved only for gentile converting into Judaism. But St. John baptized all as a call to repentance. When Christ lowered himself to be baptized by dipping into the water, instead of Christ being baptized it was all of creation that was baptized by Christ. It is Christ who is clean that made the unclean world clean.

I was asking if you viewed the baptism as valid.

 

[Gorgias]

I was asking if you viewed the baptism as valid.

That depends on what you mean by valid. If you mean, does it ‘count’ – that is, does it have the effect that the Sacrament of Baptism has – then no, it isn’t. But, if you mean that it’s a ‘legitimate’ baptism, then yes, it is.

The answer lies in the fact that the two baptisms were different in their character – in what they were, and what they were attempting to do. The baptism of John was a baptism of repentence – it was meant to call people to turn their lives around and prepare for the coming of the Messiah. However, the baptism that Jesus calls us to (and which he told the apostles to go out and perform) is a baptism of rebirth in water and the Spirit; it’s a baptism that allows us to share in Christ’s death, so that we might have a share in His resurrection.

The Catechism can sometimes be a bit of a difficult read (it’s not written with a lot of description, and is filled with Catholic jargon, so if you’re not familiar with the topics, it can be a confusing read), but you might consider looking at the Catechism beginning at paragraph 1213.

Hope this helps!!!

 

[fred_conty]

I was asking if you viewed the baptism as valid.

Jesus told Nichodemous that a man must be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.
So the baptism of Jesus washes away sin and establishes a person’s holliness by making that person born of the Holy Spirit. John 3.

John’s baptism was a call to repentenance, or giving up sin to prepare for the messiah’s comming, which John said was Jesus. But John’s baptism did not make a person born of God.

A thought requiring baptism of Jesus to be born again.

 

[tonyk84]

Am I right in thinking, that Jesus’ death on the cross, opened Heaven so we and the people in hades could enter it? As it was “shut” to humans because of the fall of Adam and Eve?

 

[Vico]

Am I right in thinking, that Jesus’ death on the cross, opened Heaven so we and the people in hades could enter it? As it was “shut” to humans because of the fall of Adam and Eve?

He descended into Hades and brought the gospel to them, and the just were freed. He also brought the gospel to the world and the Spirit to make us holy through Baptism, Penance, the Eucharist, and the other Holy Mysteries.

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[Nabooru]

Jesus’s death is sufficient for ALL sins, everywhere, any time, committed by anyone. However, we only receive salvation if we accept it - that is, if we accept Christ, become His follower, and admit our own inability to ever properly atone for all our sins, and thus humbly and gratefully accept Christ as the Lamb of God. The only other way would be to live a completely sinless life, so that no atonement would be necessary. This is impossible for human beings.

 

[JerBear_Meaux]

Jesus told Nichodemous that a man must be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.
So the baptism of Jesus washes away sin and establishes a person’s holliness by making that person born of the Holy Spirit. John 3.

John’s baptism was a call to repentenance, or giving up sin to prepare for the messiah’s comming, which John said was Jesus. But John’s baptism did not make a person born of God.

A thought requiring baptism of Jesus to be born again.

I have no argument.

 

[art_mucciante]

Thank you all for your assistence. I see that St John’s baptism was more symbolic. It is the baptism of Christ that forgives sins and cleans our souls of origoinal sin