Christ in the Flesh to Saint Faustina

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I was Reading the Dairy of Saint Faustina where she said that a poor beggar came to the gate for food and she gave him soup, then she realised it was Jesus… he said he wanted to experience mercy for himself…
This strikes me as very strange… so I ask
would it not be against catholic teaching to say Jesus would come in the flesh before his second coming?
I know many experiences with Jesus have been mystical in visions etc, but I have not heard of Jesus come in the flesh … and wondered could anyone shed light on this as i hope I’m wrong, and it has an explanation
Thanks
 
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The resurrection means that Jesus’ body was joined again to His soul.
 
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’
Then the righteouswill answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’
Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’
He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’
And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
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Matthew 25:35-46
 
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I typed the word beggar into her diary but did not find anything that you have written.

Please can we have the diary number?
 
There are all kinds of Catholic saints who say they saw Jesus “in the flesh”. St. Teresa of Avila saw him as a little child who ran up to her while she was doing work. St. George Preca saw him as a 12-year-old boy pulling a dung cart whom he met on the street. These aren’t mystical experiences, they see what looks like an ordinary person, talk to them and then at some point realize they were talking to Jesus.

It’s not against Catholic teaching for a saint to have a private revelation that they met Jesus.

At the same time, these are private revelations, and Catholics are not required to believe them.

P.S. For everybody wanting the Diary number, it’s 1312.
 
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In a somewhat similar passage in 430 she says, “I followed my confessors advice, and at the first meeting with the Lord, I fell at Jesus feet and, with a grief stricken heart, apologized for everything. Then Jesus lifted me up from the ground and sat me beside him and let me put my head on his breast so that I could better understand and feel the desires of his most sweet heart.”

I myself love her diary and am blown away at her closeness to Jesus. She regularly heard him speak to her, she saw him regularly and apparently encountered him in the flesh, or seemingly. I wonder if she simply saw the Jesus that is always there. Perhaps he wishes to reveal himself this much to me as well but I have not been open or ready. Knowing that this kind of closeness to Jesus is possible makes growing in holiness exciting.

As a revert, it is also opening my eyes to some of the genuine good possible from the communion of saints. Thank you Lord for holy mother church!
 
sorry i was away
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1312 + Jesus came to the main entrance today, under the guise of a poor young man. This young man, emaciated, barefoot and bareheaded, and with his clothes in tatters, was frozen because the day was cold and rainy. He asked for something hot to eat. So I went to the kitchen, but found nothing there for the poor. But, after searching around for some time, I succeeded in finding some soup, which I reheated and into which I crumbled some bread, and I gave it to the poor young man, who ate it. As I was taking the bowl from him, he gave me to know that He was the Lord of heaven and earth. When I saw Him as He was, He vanished from my sight. When I went back in and reflected on what had happened at the gate, I heard these words in my soul: My daughter, the blessings of the poor who bless Me as they leave this gate have reached My ears. And your compassion, within the bounds of obedience, has pleased Me, and this is why I came down from My throne-to taste the fruits of your mercy.

Tis-Bearself told me that this is not that unusual given other saints have told similar things. But i wonder what the church herself teaches on the matter? I always took Jesus came in a vision never as a man of flesh… so just wanting to be cautious…
 
Sorry I was out

Yes, you can read it here… I was wondering what the Church said about a phyisical flesh Jesus appearing as I thought Jesus would only come to earth again at the second coming aand all else was a spiritual vision shown not flesh and blood Jesus?/ Thanks
1312 + Jesus came to the main entrance today, under the guise of a poor young man. This young man, emaciated, barefoot and bareheaded, and with his clothes in tatters, was frozen because the day was cold and rainy. He asked for something hot to eat. So I went to the kitchen, but found nothing there for the poor. But, after searching around for some time, I succeeded in finding some soup, which I reheated and into which I crumbled some bread, and I gave it to the poor young man, who ate it. As I was taking the bowl from him, he gave me to know that He was the Lord of heaven and earth. When I saw Him as He was, He vanished from my sight. When I went back in and reflected on what had happened at the gate, I heard these words in my soul: My daughter, the blessings of the poor who bless Me as they leave this gate have reached My ears. And your compassion, within the bounds of obedience, has pleased Me, and this is why I came down from My throne-to taste the fruits of your mercy.
 
Don’t forget the obvious, shortly after the resurrection…

Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20, Acts 9… in other words, bodily appearances of Our Lord before and after the Ascension, recorded in Sacred Scripture.

So, uncommon? Maybe. Against Catholic teaching? I don’t see how.

Peace.
 
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Tis-Bearself told me that this is not that unusual given other saints have told similar things. But i wonder what the church herself teaches on the matter? I always took Jesus came in a vision never as a man of flesh… so just wanting to be cautious…
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Um, first off, I try to make my posts on here comport with Church teaching. The Church to my knowledge also doesn’t have some special Catechism section talking about how Jesus reveals himself in private revelations - especially since Catholics don’t have to believe private revelation even occurred anyway.

Second, as I said, a saint seeing they saw Jesus is a private revelation. Private revelations to persons who are later canonized are generally considered approved, in that they don’t contain anything against faith or morals - or the person would not have been canonized. St. Faustina’s Diary is approved by the Church; that means the Church did not find anything in it against Church teaching, including this encounter she had with a beggar.

I note that this does not mean you have to believe the private revelation, as Catholics are not required to do so. You are free to think one of the following:
  1. Not believe that Jesus appeared to St. Faustina at all, and that she was mistaken, or it was her imagination.
  2. Not believe that Jesus appeared to her during this particular encounter, and it was her imagination; perhaps she gave food to a real human beggar and somehow equated him with Jesus because of the scripture that said whatever we do for the least of our brothers, we do unto Jesus.
  3. Not believe that the beggar was human flesh and blood and maybe this was just some mystical experience St. Faustina had and thought it was real.
In any event, Jesus is God and him making an appearance to a saint doesn’t necessarily mean everybody else saw him; perhaps this beggar was only visible to St. Faustina. Perhaps he was an apparition. Nobody grabbed him and did a medical exam to see if he was truly flesh. Nobody else was around to witness St. Faustina giving him food, apparently.

When Jesus appears again in the flesh for the second time, we will ALL see him. Until then, he might choose to reveal himself to certain people via private revelation, but that’s not the same as a general return to earth.
 
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but I have not heard of Jesus come in the flesh
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I would not reach this conclusion. Remember the angel Raphael in Tobit saying that when Tobias saw him eating and drinking he was seeing a vision.
 
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Swordsman said:
Don’t forget the obvious, shortly after the resurrection…

Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20, Acts 9 … in other words, bodily appearances of Our Lord before and after the Ascension, recorded in Sacred Scripture.

So, uncommon? Maybe. Against Catholic teaching? I don’t see how.

Peace.
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I don’t think anyone is forgetting this at all, in fact I think this is the crux of the question. What you refer to was before the ascension.

Far as I know we believe when Jesus returns again he will establish his kingdom which will have no end. His return will be like lightning, immediately apparent from east to west.

So I agree with the OP, if this actually did happen it is another one of those things that challenges what I thought I knew.
 
I wasn’t aware of this page as I’m not on social media, but i appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut…
I have done some research on other places that are approved like Our lady who once was Mary, and found it satanic… and Akita the follow up to it.
both satanic yet approved and accepted by those who don’t research.
That is why I’m cautious.
thanks
 
To be fair, you can dismiss all Marian apparitions or prophecies of this or that saint. It’s all private revelation and has nothing to do, directly, with what our Lord revealed to us for our salvation. I’m not going to say it’s not helpful. But with so much to sort through, I understand fully when people say they take a hands off approach to all the extra stuff.
 
This was the gospel on the Solemnity of Christ the King. It reminded me to be kind to my neighbours!
 
Nope. Read it again.

Did Paul see Our Lord before the Ascension?

Peace.
 
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Did Paul see Our Lord before the Ascension ?

Peace.
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Paul saw Jesus after the Ascension. But did he touch Him? Was it a physical presence as opposed to a spiritual one.? Presumably not, as we are not told Paul clasped him, or Jesus blessed him or touched his eyes or whatever…
That is what we are discussing. Whether Our Lord can be touched and felt as a physical body of flesh and bones, such as St. Faustina says.
 
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