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I believe Jesus Christ is everything for the Christian. All of the unsearchable riches are found in Christ. All of the promises are yes in Christ. I am confused why the Catholic Church is so important to Catholics when Christ is everything to the Christian. Do you want to help me understand why the Catholic Church is so important to Catholics when our life is hidden in Christ?
 
The Catholic Church is the Sacrament of salvation, the Mother of all the redeemed, the Mystical Body of Christ, the Bride of the Lord, the crumpet to my cup of tea.
 
Catholics will say they have both Christ and the Church. However they talk as if they do not know Christ.
 
The Catholic Church is the Sacrament of salvation, the Mother of all the redeemed, the Mystical Body of Christ, the Bride of the Lord, the crumpet to my cup of tea.
Thank you for your answer. I’m not sure that I read anything in the Bible that supports what you wrote.
 
Catholics will say they have both Christ and the Church. However they talk as if they do not know Christ.
That’s a very insightful response. Jesus Christ is the living God who lives to interceed for the Christian. The Spirit of Christ actually dwells in the Christian too. If that’s true, why do Catholics have such a great love affair for the Catholic Church?
 
You must first ask yourself a simple question: is Jesus the creator or one of the created?

Now, while you consider that, let us look at what Jesus did, in a nutshell.

Jesus was born of a human female virgin. He grew up the adopted son of a carpenter in a backwater town. He eventually left his hometown to spread the Good News of God’s love for man and Salvation. He called Twelve men to follow him at all times, teaching them deeper than he did the rest of Isreal. He told one of them that he would build is Church on him. He spoke of his Church many times. He was betreayed by one of them, after praying that his followers be one as he and the Father are one AND after setting up the sacrament of the Eucharist. He suffered, died and was burried. He rose again. He ascended into heaven, but before he did he commanded his followers to goa nd make beleivers of all men, baptizing them. He then had the Father send the Holy Spirit to guide and stregnthen the Church.

Now, back to my first question. If Jesus is just one of the created, then why follow him at all.

If he is the creator, than we can safely say that he understands his creation better than we do. Now, we see in scriptures that he talks about HIS CHURCH, including giving them the AUTHORITY that he had on earth. He also says that he will be with us until the end of time. That promise is manifested within the Church on two levels. First, he holds that where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there. He also commands us to accept his Body and Blood, through the Eucharist. Now, Jesus knows that humans are social beings. We are called to help each other on our journey. We cannot do that without social structure. So, spiritually, Jesus founded a Church as he promised. He is present within that Church, as he promised, and we need the Church to do God’s work on earth.

To deny the Church is to deny Christ’s commandments. We are told that if we love him, we will follow his commandments. Therefore, we love the Church. We would not love it had there been no Christ.
 
Thank you for your answer. I’m not sure that I read anything in the Bible that supports what you wrote.
Are you a sola scriptura Christian? If so, than my answers won’t satisfy you.

But here are Scripture quotes that show the Catholic Church is the Sacrament of salvation, the Mother of all the redeemed, the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Bride of the Lord:
Sacrament of salvation
Rev 7:9-10
After this I had a vision of a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. They cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation comes from our God, who is seated on the throne, and from the Lamb.”
Mother of all the redeemed
Gal 4:22-26
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the freeborn woman. The son of the slave woman was born naturally, the son of the freeborn through a promise. Now this is an allegory. These women represent two covenants. One was from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; this is Hagar. Hagar represents Sinai, a mountain in Arabia; it corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery along with her children. But the Jerusalem above is freeborn, and she is our mother.
Mystical Body of Christ
1 Cor 1:18-14
He [Jesus Christ] is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross (through him), whether those on earth or those in heaven. And you who once were alienated and hostile in mind because of evil deeds he has now reconciled in his fleshly body through his death, to present you holy, without blemish, and irreproachable before him, provided that you persevere in the faith, firmly grounded, stable, and not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, am a minister. Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church…
Bride of the Lord
Eph 5:23-30
For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.
 
Catholics will say they have both Christ and the Church. However they talk as if they do not know Christ.
That is an blatant falsehood. Could it be that you espouse to “bearing false witness” in order to push some evil agenda? How very “Xtian” of you.😦
 
You must first ask yourself a simple question: is Jesus the creator or one of the created?

Now, while you consider that, let us look at what Jesus did, in a nutshell.

Jesus was born of a human female virgin. He grew up the adopted son of a carpenter in a backwater town. He eventually left his hometown to spread the Good News of God’s love for man and Salvation. He called Twelve men to follow him at all times, teaching them deeper than he did the rest of Isreal. He told one of them that he would build is Church on him. He spoke of his Church many times. He was betreayed by one of them, after praying that his followers be one as he and the Father are one AND after setting up the sacrament of the Eucharist. He suffered, died and was burried. He rose again. He ascended into heaven, but before he did he commanded his followers to goa nd make beleivers of all men, baptizing them. He then had the Father send the Holy Spirit to guide and stregnthen the Church.

Now, back to my first question. If Jesus is just one of the created, then why follow him at all.

If he is the creator, than we can safely say that he understands his creation better than we do. Now, we see in scriptures that he talks about HIS CHURCH, including giving them the AUTHORITY that he had on earth. He also says that he will be with us until the end of time. That promise is manifested within the Church on two levels. First, he holds that where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there. He also commands us to accept his Body and Blood, through the Eucharist. Now, Jesus knows that humans are social beings. We are called to help each other on our journey. We cannot do that without social structure. So, spiritually, Jesus founded a Church as he promised. He is present within that Church, as he promised, and we need the Church to do God’s work on earth.

To deny the Church is to deny Christ’s commandments. We are told that if we love him, we will follow his commandments. Therefore, we love the Church. We would not love it had there been no Christ.
Jesus Christ is the eternal God, 2nd person of the godhead. He has no beginning or end. We know that Jesus Christ became flesh, sent by the Father to save His people from their sins. Therefore, God the Son had a mission to accomplish when He entered our world as God in the flesh. It seems you have made the Catholic Church as the savior of the world, and not God the Son. What do you think Jesus Christ actually achieved and accomplished in His life and death 2,000 years ago?
 
Jesus Christ is the eternal God, 2nd person of the godhead. He has no beginning or end. We know that Jesus Christ became flesh, sent by the Father to save His people from their sins. Therefore, God the Son had a mission to accomplish when He entered our world as god in the flesh. It seems you have made the Catholic Church as the savior of the world, and not God the Son. What do you think Jesus Christ actually achieved and accomplished in His life and death 2,000 years ago?
You totally ignored what I said, and what Jesus said.

Before we can continue, do you beleive that Jesus ever said that he would build a Church?

Do you beleive that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to his Church?

DO you beleive that there is a concept of a Church in the Bible at all?
 
You totally ignored what I said, and what Jesus said.

Before we can continue, do you beleive that Jesus ever said that he would build a Church?

Do you beleive that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to his Church?

DO you beleive that there is a concept of a Church in the Bible at all?
Of course, the church is the bride of Christ,or the body of Christ. It is not a particular denomination or religious organization such as the Roman Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist denominations. Do you think the Bible writes specifically about the Roman Catholic Church? If, so please help me find it. We need the lviing Christ in our lives and not necessarily a religious organization. When we believe in Christ, we become part of the living church, or the body of Christ. Do you agree?
 
That’s a very insightful response.
Actually my friend…it is one of the most “disingenuous” responses ever posted on these forums.
Jesus Christ is the living God who lives to interceed for the Christian. The Spirit of Christ actually dwells in the Christian too. If that’s true, why do Catholics have such a great love affair for the Catholic Church?
In a nutshell: Because the Catholic Church is all about Christ, and the Catholic Church has remained true to the Gospel…
 
That is an blatant falsehood. Could it be that you espouse to “bearing false witness” in order to push some evil agenda? How very “Xtian” of you.😦
Thank you for making my point.
 
underdog:

What do you think of the quotes I got from Scriptures? Do you agree that the Church is the Sacrament of salvation, Mother of all the redeemed, Mystical Body of Christ, and Bride of the Lord?
 
Actually my friend…it is one of the most “disingenuous” responses ever posted on these forums.

In a nutshell: Because the Catholic Church is all about Christ, and the Catholic Church has remained true to the Gospel…
I’m not sure if I understand what you wrote? The word Catholic Church or the Roman Catholic Church is not mentioned in the Bible. There are many different churches mentioned in the Bible, but not the Roman Catholic Church. Do you love Jesus Christ more than anything else?
 
Of course, the church is the bride of Christ,or the body of Christ. It is not a particular denomination or religious organization such as the Roman Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Methodist denominations. Do you think the Bible writes specifically about the Roman Catholic Church?
If, so please help me find it.
Read here: drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm
We need the lviing Christ in our lives and not necessarily a religious organization. We we believe in Christ, we become part of the living church, or the body of Christ. Do you agree?
Only that it would seem that you appear to be an adherent of “BK theology”…

Obviously, you have failed to follow the course of history…and know little of the meaning of Matthew’s writings. But then, I guess that you also probably believe in a lot of other things as well that are in disagreement, but suit your personal preferences.
 
underdog:

What do you think of the quotes I got from Scriptures? Do you agree that the Church is the Sacrament of salvation, Mother of all the redeemed, Mystical Body of Christ, and Bride of the Lord?
I’m sorry, but I did not see any Scriptures on your post.
 
Thank you for making my point.
And what point would that be: That you are not a Christian at all, and that you openly and willfully bear false witness by posting falsehoods? If so, then yes, I made the point quite clearly.
 
Read here: drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm

Only that it would seem that you appear to be an adherent of “BK theology”…

Obviously, you have failed to follow the course of history…and know little of the meaning of Matthew’s writings. But then, I guess that you also probably believe in a lot of other things as well that are in disagreement, but suit your personal preferences.
I was hoping to discuss things without clicking on links. What’s BK theology? I believe in Christ-centered theology.
 
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