Christ Resurrected On Saturday Morning

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jmcrae said:
In this case, we are talking about the 12 Apostles and their Greek-speaking followers, numbering in the thousands. If the native speakers of the language didn’t understand what it meant, then how can you? 🤷

The Apostles and all of their followers - both Jews and Greeks - celebrated the Eucharist (Holy Mass) on Sundays in commemoration (anamnesis) of Christ’s Passion and Resurrection.
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The Bible says otherwise, as far as the apostles and their followers in the Bible are concerned. Paul Himself was a Sabbath-keeper in emulation of our Savior Who Himself was also a Sabbath-keeper. The Bible plainly says so.
Mark 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
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Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
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1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
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The Bible just refuted what you were falsely taught.
 
Nicea325 said:
EXACTLY! Therefore the Bible IS NOT THE FINAL AUTHORITY! You follow a man-made teaching called the Bible-Alone,no where taught by God or anyone in the Bible.
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According to you. This is because you cannot by the Bible refute my position.
 
Samie said:
According to you. This is because you cannot by the Bible refute my position.
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People have been refuting your ridiculous SDA propaganda all day long you re just to ignorant to except it!!!
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Are you serious?

Mathew 28:

1 AFTER THE SABBATH, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; HE HAS RISEN, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”

This isn’t hard
Mathew 28:1
“AFTER THE SABBATH…”

Mathew 28:6
“HE HAS RISEN…”
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Good tailor-style reasoning. Cut out one phrase from a verse and another phrase from a verse miles away and put them together to make a sentence to prove your hopeless case.
 
Samie said:
Good tailor-style reasoning. Cut out one phrase from a verse and another phrase from a verse miles away and put them together to make a sentence to prove your hopeless case.
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How can you not understand it?

Are you saying the chapter skips a whole week?

It says this all happened after the Resurrection. How is this hard to understand?
It isn’t your are just to stubborn to accept it.
Quite making up excuses you were proven wrong no matter how many ridiculous SDA propaganda you tell us it isn’t going to work.
Three Reason
  1. You don’t Use the Bible.
  2. You don’t accept the teachings of the bible
  3. You accept the teachings of an insane Woman.
 
So far, we have the following posts that have made reasonable points to counter Samie, but have gone without comment: 2, 3, 8, 9, 16, 24, 25, 35, 37, 38, 51, 52, 63, 64, 65, 67, 68, 69, 92, 96, 97, 104, 107, 108, 110, 118, 131, 133, 136, 139, 140, 141, 143, 148, 149, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160

Posts with content that provides material counter to Samie’s claims, but were dismissed without proof: 14, 79, 81, 82, 102

Samie claims to be an “instrument in God’s hands”

Post #54 (reply to #50) Samie claims to be a profit of some sort: “Let’s just say I’m just one of those who allowed themselves to become instruments in God’s hands for the cause of Truth.”
Post #128 (reply to #124) Samie claims to be presenting truth, “I am just presenting truth.”
Post #89 (reply to #80) Samie says that his teaching comes from his faith.
Post #121 (reply to #119) Samie claims that he could probably know more about Jesus than the early church fathers. “Probably yes, or could be probably no as well - talking about probability.”

An instrument in God’s hands should not produce errors, yet we have the following:

Post #22 (reply to #20) Samie teaches falsehood regarding Copernicus.

To go with Samie’s position, we’d have to turn our backs on the Catholic Church:
Post #21 (reply to post #19) Samie infers that the pope does not bother to deal with critical issues.
Post #41 (reply to #34) indicates that worship on Sunday is bionically untenable.
Post #46 (reply to #39) indicates that Catholic faith is “anti-biblical”.
Post #57 (reply to #53) indicates that the SDA happens to do what the Savior wants, which is Saturday worship.
Post #59 (reply to #55) Samie oddly indicates that the Church had full knowledge of the Saturday resurrection – since he quotes Mark 16:9 once again and insists that’s a Saturday reference.
Post #112 (reply to #105) Samie says that the RC teaches against his “Truth”. And then infers that the Catholic Church is guilty of leading others to worship in vain.
Post #114 (reply to #111) Samie claims that the early church fathers are not all that helpful when it comes to teaching valid forms of worship.
Post #15 (reply to #13) Samie equates everyone who worships on Sunday with “law breakers.”

I stated it earlier - and I will say it again, I reject the teaching of Samie.
 
Samie said:
You call Bible facts SDA propaganda? Is it because you do not know they are from Scriptures?
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You haven’t used the Bible besides Mark it actually sad how you can claim something you don’t do
 
Samie said:
The Bible says otherwise, as far as the apostles and their followers in the Bible are concerned. Paul Himself was a Sabbath-keeper in emulation of our Savior Who Himself was also a Sabbath-keeper. The Bible plainly says so.
The Bible just refuted what you were falsely taught.
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St. Paul broke bread on Sundays (first day of the week), together with the rest of the Apostles. (Acts 20:7) Their celebration of Holy Mass (“the breaking of the bread and the prayers”) took place on Sundays.
 
in_servitude said:
Post #112 (reply to #105) Samie says that the RC teaches against his “Truth”. And then infers that the Catholic Church is guilty of leading others to worship in vain.
Post #114 (reply to #111) Samie claims that the early church fathers are not all that helpful when it comes to teaching valid forms of worship.
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1)The funny thing about this is that she has yet to name the problem of the Catechism (The fact she hasn’t even read it)
2)He says the Catholic church purposely leads people to false worship which makes no sense apparently Popes being Martyred, Saints being Tutored, Fathers being Imprisoned are just people sticking to a lie.

Why would someone who was being starved to death stick to a lie that created the largest Christian denomination. It isn’t logical.
  1. A Church Father are more helpful then all of the SDA creators combined.
 
You also gotta love the oft used argument by the Sabbatarians that the true Church must be really small, as if this justifies their tiny, little cult’s claim that it is the true Church.
 
jmcrae said:
:confused: No. Rather, because of the Resurrection, there was a small earthquake.

Jesus shook the earth when He arose from the dead. (Probably displaced the earth from the roof of the grave when He stood up, or made it cave in when He stretched out His arms, or when He began to walk.)
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Good reasoning, except that it is not in the Bible.
 
Samie said:
When you started believing in Scriptures.
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Samie saying you believe in scripture isn’t necessarily mean you believe in scripture. I mean you have only used Mark we have used, well, everything else.

You have yet to prove anything to us except that your ignorant.

So all of what I just said binds into one saying.
“Actions Speak Louder Than Words.”
 
Samie said:
Good reasoning, except that it is not in the Bible.
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So, they just randomly mentioned that there was an earthquake? You do realize that this is the Bible we’re talking about here, right? Not the afternoon news, or a romance novel.

There is nothing mentioned in the Bible that doesn’t pertain in some way to our salvation. Now - knowing that every word of the Bible pertains to our salvation, how does this earthquake pertain to our salvation?

There’s the question you need to answer, if you believe that the earthquake was not related to Jesus rising from the dead. What aspect of our salvation, then, does it pertain to, instead? 🤷
 
I have friends who are Sabbatarians. They all have one thing in common, which must be directly related to their ardor for Saturday Sabbath-keeping: none of them are on fire with love for Jesus Christ. All of them, to a man, care more about keeping the Sabbath than in making Jesus Christ the center of their lives. Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. His commandments, as he summarized them, were to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. He also said people will know you are my followers by how you love each other. Yet the Sabbatarians never are led by love–it is not the center. Their center, and the OP appears a prime example, is in justifying what they see as the letter of the Jewish law. They want to distinguish themselves by clinging to what the establishment rejects. They truly miss the forest for the sake of a tree.

As Catholics, we are led by the revelation of God, as nourished, protected, and declared by His Church on Earth, the body of Christ. That Church has always taught the Gospel to all men, pure and unadulterated. Jesus Christ is the means we were given to be put into a right relationship with God, which is what we were made for, and what we yearn for. If anyone really thinks arguing about the Sabbath has anything to do with that, they are out on a pharisaical tangent that leads to an isolated nowhere. You are clinging to error, and one that leaves you nowhere but alone. Put love front and center, kind sir. I cannot help but feel that despite your apparent acumen and ability to verbally spar with the best of them, your heart is open a crack, perhaps suspecting that these Catholics here have something that you have not allowed yourself to have. You have been poisoned and warned against it, in vehement terms, for to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church is the very death-knell of SDA and every other offshoot of true Christianity. There is indeed one Church, and only one Church that teaches the whole fullness of truth. You, my friend, are knocking on its doorstep.
 
johnbres2 said:
I have friends who are Sabbatarians. They all have one thing in common, which must be directly related to their ardor for Saturday Sabbath-keeping: none of them are on fire with love for Jesus Christ. All of them, to a man, care more about keeping the Sabbath than in making Jesus Christ the center of their lives.
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😦 I am sorry that this has been your experience. I have Sabbath-keeping friends who amaze me with their kindness, simplicity and purity.
 
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