Christ was sinful

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This might be a weird question to some, but I was wondering about the un-sinful nature of Christ. I know you can’t consider anything Christ did sinful because his intentions weren’t those of a regular person, but what I wanted to ask is that even when we are first-born and start to cry because we want something, it is considered a sin. When we cry because we need toy’s or other materialistic goods, this is still considered sinful human nature. Christ was a baby at some point, and for sure he had to cry or want toy’s, so were these actions not considered sinful because he was different then the rest? I just want to hear what people’s take on this is.
 
Roblox84 said:
This might be a weird question to some, but I was wondering about the un-sinful nature of Christ. I know you can’t consider anything Christ did sinful because his intentions weren’t those of a regular person, but what I wanted to ask is that even when we are first-born and start to cry because we want something, it is considered a sin. When we cry because we need toy’s or other materialistic goods, this is still considered sinful human nature. Christ was a baby at some point, and for sure he had to cry or want toy’s, so were these actions not considered sinful because he was different then the rest? I just want to hear what people’s take on this is.
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A baby crying isn’t sinful. That’s the means of communication it has.
 
Roblox84 said:
This might be a weird question to some, but I was wondering about the un-sinful nature of Christ. I know you can’t consider anything Christ did sinful because his intentions weren’t those of a regular person, but what I wanted to ask is that even when we are first-born and start to cry because we want something, it is considered a sin. When we cry because we need toy’s or other materialistic goods, this is still considered sinful human nature. Christ was a baby at some point, and for sure he had to cry or want toy’s, so were these actions not considered sinful because he was different then the rest? I just want to hear what people’s take on this is.
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Umm, as a mother of 3 (now all young adults), I have to take issue with your premise which I believe is flawed. Infants crying for toys are not committing sins. In fact, young children are not considered capable of personal sin until they reach the age of reason (age 7) because developmentally speaking they aren’t able to recognize that for example crying for a toy even if Mom says, "No, be quiet’ IS sinful.

To sin one must know that something is sinful, the thing must actually BE sinful, and one must fully consent to the sin.

The infant Christ in crying is not sinful. Infant children crying are not sinful.
 
in cases lke this, all i know that its our innocence that saved us from the human sin and that God understands it as a baby of course we really the best care that our mama gives us but the ignorance of God made us commit sin thus, we have to be baptized during “infant time” so a debate begins here with a protestant like qustions such as " why are you baptized even you dont know about your religion?
 
Roblox84 said:
, but what I wanted to ask is that even when we are first-born and start to cry because we want something, it is considered a sin. When we cry because we need toy’s or other materialistic goods, this is still considered sinful human nature. .
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how on earth do imagine a baby sins by crying?
how on earth do you imagine it is a sin even if grown persons ask for what they need? where did you pick up these ideas?
what on earth does any of this have to do with infant baptism?
 
Though I do not feel qualified to answer you in the correct spiritual manner, I will say to those who have that we must always be KIND & Loving in our response to any question asked us. I am sure you mean well in your question and I pray one here will answer you in a manner that will help you to understand. God’s blessings of understanding be with you always dear one…
 
puzzleannie said:
how on earth do imagine a baby sins by crying?
how on earth do you imagine it is a sin even if grown persons ask for what they need? where did you pick up these ideas?
what on earth does any of this have to do with infant baptism?
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You know, i’m not sure, That’s why I stated it was a weird question. I might have just over heard someone sometime. It might have been the fact that it would seem that babies were born with a sinful nature of materialism or something. And then this doesn’t end, but transitions into their pre teens when they still want certain things, and might feel jealousy for another kid that has something they want.
 
Roblox84 said:
You know, i’m not sure, That’s why I stated it was a weird question. I might have just over heard someone sometime. It might have been the fact that it would seem that babies were born with a sinful nature of materialism or something. And then this doesn’t end, but transitions into their pre teens when they still want certain things, and might feel jealousy for another kid that has something they want.
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To the extent that our original sin shows itself in the way we believe the world revolves around us, then the Christ Child–and his Mother as an infant, for that matter–would have been one of those kids that simply aren’t like that. Even among the fallen, there are those sweet-tempered kids who really don’t cry or whine, except when there is a legitimate reason, who hardly have to be taught what it means to share their toys, who are naturally concerned about the feelings of others, and so on. These kids aren’t all that common, but they are hardly unknown. Just as some of us seem born to do things that others struggle to learn, some of us seem to be born with temperaments that are more naturally amenable to the lessons of charity.
 
Though I do not feel qualified to answer you in the correct spiritual manner, I will say to those who have that we must always be KIND & Loving in our response to any question asked us. I am sure you mean well in your question and I pray one here will answer you in a manner that will help you to understand. God’s blessings of understanding be with you always dear one…
 
Jesus wasn’t a “normal” child like the ones portrayed in our society today. He wasn’t a bratty, spoiled child whining for things. He was a meek and dutiful child. He was the best, and most well-behaved child anyone could have had. Imagine being around anyone that didn’t sin at all while you were with them. That’s hard to imagine, because there are few people like that.

People always like to put Jesus, Mary and the saints on their own level like they are like us. They aren’t like our modern society tries to make them. It makes me so angry when they portray Mary like some dramatic woman from a reality TV show. She was super holy. They were models of holiness for us.
 
Roblox84 said:
This might be a weird question to some, but I was wondering about the un-sinful nature of Christ. I know you can’t consider anything Christ did sinful because his intentions weren’t those of a regular person, but what I wanted to ask is that even when we are first-born and start to cry because we want something, it is considered a sin. When we cry because we need toy’s or other materialistic goods, this is still considered sinful human nature. Christ was a baby at some point, and for sure he had to cry or want toy’s, so were these actions not considered sinful because he was different then the rest? I just want to hear what people’s take on this is.
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A sin against who, Himself ? Emmanuel, God amongst us, those that pay the piper call the tune.

No God does not sin against Himself, because in order to sin He has to sin against a higher authority, to which there is no-other.
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Jesus wasn’t a “normal” child like the ones portrayed in our society today. He wasn’t a bratty, spoiled child whining for things. He was a meek and dutiful child. He was the best, and most well-behaved child anyone could have had. Imagine being around anyone that didn’t sin at all while you were with them. That’s hard to imagine, because there are few people like that.

People always like to put Jesus, Mary and the saints on their own level like they are like us. They aren’t like our modern society tries to make them. It makes me so angry when they portray Mary like some dramatic woman from a reality TV show. She was super holy. They were models of holiness for us.
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I know he wasn’t a regular child, that’s what I wanted confirmation about. I wasn’t sure if there were any bible passages that also said something about this.
 
I remember someone telling me that crying is how a baby prays. Of course, a baby is not really praying, but I thought it was a good way of explaining the innocence of a baby.
 
That is an interesting question because you will note that the Gospels are silent really about Christ’s early years.
There are some things we can assume though, because he had no Original Sin, his passions were not disordered as ours. As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say, he would not throw a tantrum (if you think tantrum is where the child is frustrated - early years not for the older child) because he was free from the disorder of passions that comes from Original Sin. I would also say if he possessed anything, it was perfect. That doesn’t mean he didn’t get angry but it was properly ordered.

Also, it is never a sin, as others have stated, for a baby to cry. That is how they communicate. It is also not necessarily a sin for a child to throw a trantrum - it depends on the age.
 
Seatuck said:
A baby crying isn’t sinful. That’s the means of communication it has.
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Absolutely! I don’t think Our Beloved Lord, as an infant, spoke up and said He was ready to nurse or needed his diaper/swaddles changed!

I think the person the OP might have heard this from has a very skewed, almost Jansenistic view of human nature. Please be assured that Christ did not sin when he cried, as an infant, or as an adult.
 
There are some things we can assume though, because he had no Original Sin, his passions were not disordered as ours. . . . I would also say if he possessed anything, it was perfect.
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This is an interesting issue, which I’ve thought about in the past. Must it be the case that Christ had 20/20 vision? Perfectly groomed fingernails? Could he have had bad breath, or caught the flu? And just how good a carpenter was he, exactly? My own view (and I’m no great scholar of this) is that when we say Christ “humbled himself” to be born man of woman, and that his nature was both fully human and fully divine, we must admit that with respect to matters touching upon his humanity, like pain, disease, and good looks, he was a man like anyone else. When they pricked him, did he not bleed? He was like us in all things but sin, and I have to believe that that includes sneezing, going to the bathroom, not being able to look directly into bright sunlight, and, yes, crying as a baby.

And I think the notion that Christ would not have cried as a baby is not only baseless romanticism, it’s hazardous to the extent it encourages us to overlook or deny Christ’s full humanity. No doubt it’s a notion born purely out of respect and humility: we know all too well from the experience of our own lives just how dirty and lowly life on Earth can be, and it really does surpass the imagination to think that God Almighty, of whom the angels sing without ceasing, could have voluntarily subjected himself to its every indignity – including being fed, burped, and changed, and probably being bounced up in the air by an ecstatic Joseph until he got dizzy and cried and had to be returned to Mary’s lap. And he did it – the God of Hosts – for the sake of miserable sinners who are less than dust in comparison with his glory! No wonder we have such a hard time fully believing in such endless grace and love.
 
MarkThompson said:
This is an interesting issue, which I’ve thought about in the past. Must it be the case that Christ had 20/20 vision? Perfectly groomed fingernails? Could he have had bad breath, or caught the flu? And just how good a carpenter was he, exactly? My own view (and I’m no great scholar of this) is that when we say Christ “humbled himself” to be born man of woman, and that his nature was both fully human and fully divine, we must admit that with respect to matters touching upon his humanity, like pain, disease, and good looks, he was a man like anyone else. When they pricked him, did he not bleed? He was like us in all things but sin, and I have to believe that that includes sneezing, going to the bathroom, not being able to look directly into bright sunlight, and, yes, crying as a baby.

And I think the notion that Christ would not have cried as a baby is not only baseless romanticism, it’s hazardous to the extent it encourages us to overlook or deny Christ’s full humanity. No doubt it’s a notion born purely out of respect and humility: we know all too well from the experience of our own lives just how dirty and lowly life on Earth can be, and it really does surpass the imagination to think that God Almighty, of whom the angels sing without ceasing, could have voluntarily subjected himself to its every indignity – including being fed, burped, and changed, and probably being bounced up in the air by an ecstatic Joseph until he got dizzy and cried and had to be returned to Mary’s lap. And he did it – the God of Hosts – for the sake of miserable sinners who are less than dust in comparison with his glory! No wonder we have such a hard time fully believing in such endless grace and love.
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I wonder at what age Christ began to realize what he was here for. If he remained sinless, then he must have been real young. I wonder if it was a gradual understanding or something that just hit him when he could properly reason.
 
@ Mark
Actually, it was widely held by the Church fathers that Christ WAS/IS a perfect man in all the sense.
 
H_Opey said:
@ Mark
Actually, it was widely held by the Church fathers that Christ WAS/IS a perfect man in all the sense.
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Opey thanks for the link altough I am at work right now and that page is blocked by the server so I will take a look at it later. Thanks again.
 
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