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**Christian Disunity and Reunion is a question of Public Revelation **
The Church does not define dogmas related to nations or kingdoms, but to the truths of Christ, His sources, His graces. If the Church were to dogmatize certain historical events in Salvation history, they would need to be structured and characterized by spiritual conditions, seeing as the spirtual condition of the ages is what drives history
The question of whether Christians will ever be reunited is unsettled, as well as, if reunion is attained, what sort of impact such reunion would have on the world’s capacity to have faith.
The main apocalyptic debate is the question of the degree of what shall be the fullness of the Gentiles.
Since the world’s capacity to believe is very much dependent on the unity, or lack thereof, of Christians in general, the question of ecclesiology and of the unity of Christians is central to the question of the fullness of the Gentiles, and hence of the apocalyptic mystery.
The central Scripture that veils this mystery is the Eucharistic discourse of Our Savior in John 17, where Our Dear Lord prays, “that they may be one, in order that the world may believe.”
The question is unsettled, but the mystics suggest a scenario: based on Desmond Birch and Collin Donnovan, EWTN hosts, and Birch’s research from literally some two decades of research into the fully approved private revelations of the Church, they have unearthed the notion of an intermediate apostasy and tribulation toward the end of the world, followed by a glorious reunion of Christians. This reunion then restores the Catholic faith and extends the Gospel to the near whole of humanity (saving the Jews, whose fullest conversion cannot come until the very final days of history), ushering in a great age of peace, where Christ’s grace shall truly reign in men’s hearts, enabling the world to walk in the way of peace and God for a significant period before falling away irrevocably.
The mystics complete the scenario by prophesying, as it must come, the dissolution of the age of peace through an apostasy that is the one of the Public Revelation, the great and irrevocable rebellion of the Gentiles against the Gospel, at which time shall arise the great antichrist, persecution and the conversion of the Jews, followed by the Great Tribulation and Second Coming, which, of course, is the end of time, the General Resurrection and the New Creation.
In approving these revelations, the Church is not saying that this scenario, which is the best that can be assuaged from them, WILL DEFINITELY happen, but only that it COULD, that is, that such a scenario is not irreconcilable with Public Revelation, and that, hence, the faithful MAY, but do not NEED to, believe that it will happen.
It is one of the primary motives of Vatican II to seek for reunion, and, given the modern spiriutal crisis, there would not be harm, and in fact, there would seem to at least be *merit *in *exploring *the *theological implications *of the scenario of Christian unity regarding this issue.
I have personally pondered these many facets of the question and am convinced that that such a scenario will happen, not simply on the basis of the witness of the mystics, but that such spiritual scenario best fits with the Biblical and Traditional data of Public Revelation, and that best ties together the meaning of the totality of the Divine Plan, enabling the Church to probe deeper depths into the meaning of salvation history and God’s Plan to redeem the human race.
I believe the Scripture of John 17 beautifully communicates this mystery.
Firstly, I believe the Scripture implies *two *conversions of the Gentiles: an initial imperfect one that eventually is stained with disunity, and a second one that is attained on the consequence of a reunion and that is itself blessed with Christian unity and peace.
Secondly, I believe the Scripture of John 17 implies that the initial conversion of the Gentiles to the Gospel is *lost *precisely because the *unity is lost *–in other words, that the *dissolution of Christian unity *in the first conversion is the *primary intrinsic cause of the loss of faith in the Gentiles *that ends the first conversion and that itself partitions the two conversions from one another.
Thirdly, I believe that the initial loss of unity is derived from a primary principle of Catholic doctrine and even Christ’s words himself: **scandal **! Hence, as the CCC indicates, the causes of division amongst Christians are usually because of *sin *on *both *sides of the loss of unity. That is, Christian disunity depends on primarily the following:
The sin of scandal, whereby [many of] the legitimate shepherds of the flock–the Apostolic Successors, or bishops–fail, in the MORAL sense, to live up to their calling as shepherds, teachers, and leaders; and, secondarily, the sin, especially pride and anger, of the separating party, most of which derives precisely from the first factor, the scandal of the true and legitimate leadership of Chrsitians.
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The Church does not define dogmas related to nations or kingdoms, but to the truths of Christ, His sources, His graces. If the Church were to dogmatize certain historical events in Salvation history, they would need to be structured and characterized by spiritual conditions, seeing as the spirtual condition of the ages is what drives history
The question of whether Christians will ever be reunited is unsettled, as well as, if reunion is attained, what sort of impact such reunion would have on the world’s capacity to have faith.
The main apocalyptic debate is the question of the degree of what shall be the fullness of the Gentiles.
Since the world’s capacity to believe is very much dependent on the unity, or lack thereof, of Christians in general, the question of ecclesiology and of the unity of Christians is central to the question of the fullness of the Gentiles, and hence of the apocalyptic mystery.
The central Scripture that veils this mystery is the Eucharistic discourse of Our Savior in John 17, where Our Dear Lord prays, “that they may be one, in order that the world may believe.”
The question is unsettled, but the mystics suggest a scenario: based on Desmond Birch and Collin Donnovan, EWTN hosts, and Birch’s research from literally some two decades of research into the fully approved private revelations of the Church, they have unearthed the notion of an intermediate apostasy and tribulation toward the end of the world, followed by a glorious reunion of Christians. This reunion then restores the Catholic faith and extends the Gospel to the near whole of humanity (saving the Jews, whose fullest conversion cannot come until the very final days of history), ushering in a great age of peace, where Christ’s grace shall truly reign in men’s hearts, enabling the world to walk in the way of peace and God for a significant period before falling away irrevocably.
The mystics complete the scenario by prophesying, as it must come, the dissolution of the age of peace through an apostasy that is the one of the Public Revelation, the great and irrevocable rebellion of the Gentiles against the Gospel, at which time shall arise the great antichrist, persecution and the conversion of the Jews, followed by the Great Tribulation and Second Coming, which, of course, is the end of time, the General Resurrection and the New Creation.
In approving these revelations, the Church is not saying that this scenario, which is the best that can be assuaged from them, WILL DEFINITELY happen, but only that it COULD, that is, that such a scenario is not irreconcilable with Public Revelation, and that, hence, the faithful MAY, but do not NEED to, believe that it will happen.
It is one of the primary motives of Vatican II to seek for reunion, and, given the modern spiriutal crisis, there would not be harm, and in fact, there would seem to at least be *merit *in *exploring *the *theological implications *of the scenario of Christian unity regarding this issue.
I have personally pondered these many facets of the question and am convinced that that such a scenario will happen, not simply on the basis of the witness of the mystics, but that such spiritual scenario best fits with the Biblical and Traditional data of Public Revelation, and that best ties together the meaning of the totality of the Divine Plan, enabling the Church to probe deeper depths into the meaning of salvation history and God’s Plan to redeem the human race.
I believe the Scripture of John 17 beautifully communicates this mystery.
Firstly, I believe the Scripture implies *two *conversions of the Gentiles: an initial imperfect one that eventually is stained with disunity, and a second one that is attained on the consequence of a reunion and that is itself blessed with Christian unity and peace.
Secondly, I believe the Scripture of John 17 implies that the initial conversion of the Gentiles to the Gospel is *lost *precisely because the *unity is lost *–in other words, that the *dissolution of Christian unity *in the first conversion is the *primary intrinsic cause of the loss of faith in the Gentiles *that ends the first conversion and that itself partitions the two conversions from one another.
Thirdly, I believe that the initial loss of unity is derived from a primary principle of Catholic doctrine and even Christ’s words himself: **scandal **! Hence, as the CCC indicates, the causes of division amongst Christians are usually because of *sin *on *both *sides of the loss of unity. That is, Christian disunity depends on primarily the following:
The sin of scandal, whereby [many of] the legitimate shepherds of the flock–the Apostolic Successors, or bishops–fail, in the MORAL sense, to live up to their calling as shepherds, teachers, and leaders; and, secondarily, the sin, especially pride and anger, of the separating party, most of which derives precisely from the first factor, the scandal of the true and legitimate leadership of Chrsitians.
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