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gam197
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America is doing the same as Ireland. Anyone who does not believe in gay marriage is considered a “hater”.
Christian journalist 'can't sleep, lost 14 lbs, and may leave Dublin' after threats by gay marriage advocates
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ClearWater
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Christians are being persecuted more and more frequently for trying to practice their faith.
There seems to be sort of like a kind of witchhunt of late, open season on Christians…boycotts, open harrassment, threats of fines, shutting down businesses and organizations, threats of prison for disagreeing with the status quo.
It’s rough being a Christian, because if you practice your faith, you can probably be accused of a “hate” crime.
It’s surprising to see this happening in Ireland, though, of all places.
There seems to be sort of like a kind of witchhunt of late, open season on Christians…boycotts, open harrassment, threats of fines, shutting down businesses and organizations, threats of prison for disagreeing with the status quo.
It’s rough being a Christian, because if you practice your faith, you can probably be accused of a “hate” crime.
It’s surprising to see this happening in Ireland, though, of all places.
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GEddie
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Sadly, Ireland is currently having a worse faith crisis than NA. No surprise there.
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shockerfan
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Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Mt 5:11-12)
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JackVk
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Even worse is that persecution of Christians is actively denied by those who want to see it eradicated. A classic case of blaming the victims.
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SoulSolace
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It is getting to the point where one can’t “buy, sell, nor trade” unless they embrace homosexuality.
God bless.
God bless.
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adawgj
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The so called “tolerant people” are hypocrites. 
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China123
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I wonder when so many people started equating disagreement with hate and bigotry? If I disagree with your view on something I do not hate, detest, want to hurt, or malign you. I simply disagree. Suddenly, for some, if you disagree you are most certainly hateful and “unChristian” 
I do not tell people how to live their lives. If you ask my opinion, I will give it to you…after all YOU asked
I will even cite my reasons and discuss. But once you start calling me names and assuming I am a certain kind of person, it’s over. I then will just pray for you.
Difficult times.
I do not tell people how to live their lives. If you ask my opinion, I will give it to you…after all YOU asked
I will even cite my reasons and discuss. But once you start calling me names and assuming I am a certain kind of person, it’s over. I then will just pray for you.Difficult times.
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SecretCatholic
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I guess we’ll all have a lot of “rejoicing” to do in these coming times. In the name of “tolerance” we will be more and more socially, politically, economically and physically attacked as this “new (dis)order” is spread throughout.
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esieffe
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God created physics, and it was good.
The pendulum of American culture and politics is always in motion. Left and right. The sun always rises and sets. We do what we can to be a positive influence and do good works. We strive to leave Earth better than we found it.
Sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back. It always does.
God, give me grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
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The pendulum of American culture and politics is always in motion. Left and right. The sun always rises and sets. We do what we can to be a positive influence and do good works. We strive to leave Earth better than we found it.
Sooner or later, the pendulum will swing back. It always does.
God, give me grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace,
Taking, as Jesus did,
This sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it,
Trusting that You will make all things right,
If I surrender to Your will,
So that I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with You forever in the next.
Amen.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
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Joie_de_Vivre
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Sounds similar to how gay people get treated in parts of the US
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SuperLuigi
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We’re not talking about that right now.
Why do gay rights activists and those sympathetic to gay causes ALWAYS have to have the spotlight of victimhood on gays or themselves?
And does the fact that gays on occasion get persecuted (and I do NOT mean equal “marriage” rights) make this okay? That may be justified in the minds of progressives, but it will not cut it with reality and Catholic teaching.
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SuperLuigi
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It’s already coming from within our own ranks. Ever notice how lots of straight people fight really hard for so-called gay “marriage”?
All for their own selfish benefit.
Reminds me of Judas and his 30 pieces of silver from this Gospel today. :yup:
What a waste!
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DexUK
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We don’t generally go around energetically telling Jews and Muslims how wrong they are and how evil it is that they won’t eat pork or that they circumcise their male children…
Why do we persist in going around telling other people who don’t share our religion how wrong they are and how evil they are if they have a different perspective and understanding on what marriage ‘is’?
Is it any wonder that when the Church does that (or, more accurately, when people do that on ‘behalf’ of the Church, as though it as an institution isn’t capable of speaking up for itself) those who do not agree feel hectored, abused and bullied and react accordingly.
I’ve seen it on these forums and I see it in the world. The people who claim to speak for the Church constantly complain, belittle and condemn and do not give any positive witness for the Faith. I often consider them to be of the same sort of thread as a certain recently deceased fundamentalist ‘church’ leader… They do nobody any favours.
As for ‘John Waters’, if he is genuinely getting threats of violence then he should report them to the Garda Siochana in Ireland (the Police) and let them investigate. Ireland is governed by the rule of law and the law should be allowed to act.
That being said, he only has himself (for his belligerent threats to sue) and RTE (for their craven cowardice in settling before court action) to blame. Basically if you don’t like it, then don’t dish it out. Notwithstanding any genuine threats of violence, belligerent attitudes beget belligerent responses. I don’t have any great sympathy for him. He is in a mess largely of his own making.
Why do we persist in going around telling other people who don’t share our religion how wrong they are and how evil they are if they have a different perspective and understanding on what marriage ‘is’?
Is it any wonder that when the Church does that (or, more accurately, when people do that on ‘behalf’ of the Church, as though it as an institution isn’t capable of speaking up for itself) those who do not agree feel hectored, abused and bullied and react accordingly.
I’ve seen it on these forums and I see it in the world. The people who claim to speak for the Church constantly complain, belittle and condemn and do not give any positive witness for the Faith. I often consider them to be of the same sort of thread as a certain recently deceased fundamentalist ‘church’ leader… They do nobody any favours.
As for ‘John Waters’, if he is genuinely getting threats of violence then he should report them to the Garda Siochana in Ireland (the Police) and let them investigate. Ireland is governed by the rule of law and the law should be allowed to act.
That being said, he only has himself (for his belligerent threats to sue) and RTE (for their craven cowardice in settling before court action) to blame. Basically if you don’t like it, then don’t dish it out. Notwithstanding any genuine threats of violence, belligerent attitudes beget belligerent responses. I don’t have any great sympathy for him. He is in a mess largely of his own making.
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shockerfan
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Gay people are called “haters” for not supporting traditional marriage?
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shockerfan
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Here would be my reason: Muslims living their lives, raising their children, not eating pork, etc. does not impact other people.
Passing laws that equate same sex unions with traditional marriage go beyond the union of the two same sex partners: “equality” (their definition, not actual equality) then becomes part of school curriculum, preference in adoptions to couples that have a loving husband and wife goes away (Catholic Charities of Illinois had to get out of adoptions because of this). It goes far beyond “tolerance”.
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CarmelJerome
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Unfortunately, Mr. Waters has made really stupid comments about "depression" being a phony diagnosis; and about women being "more prone" to emotional outburts than men. There are too many pundits who, rather than being principled, are just making money off deliberately ticking people off, or complaining about people who make a lot out of being 'victims,' and then, like Mr. Waters, posing as a martyr.
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Robert_in_SD
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The Church has not called gay people “evil.” The Church is simply telling the world what is true about marriage–i.e. that it is an institution that requires one man and one woman. Although the marriage debate arises in the context of the debate over homosexual unions being recognized as marriages, the Church’s stance is not “against” homosexuals, but instead acknowledges what has always been true about marriage. It is an institution that unites biological parents to their offspring. It is more than simply the public acknowledgement of the commitment of any two people to each other, although that is a part of what marriage is about. Marriage requires complimentarity and the openness to the creation of human life through the union of the married couple.
It’s the Church doing it… here
I’m not sure who or what you’re talking about here. I can only say for myself that I’m not a complainer. I don’t belittle or condemn anyone. And I try to give a positive witness of the Catholic Life. I love my life and I love the Lord, and I try to love my neighbors, be they straight or gay, black or white, Catholic or non-Catholic.
[DexUK]As for ‘John Waters’, if he is genuinely getting threats of violence then he should report them to the Garda Siochana in Ireland (the Police) and let them investigate. Ireland is governed by the rule of law and the law should be allowed to act… That being said, he only has himself… to blame.If Ireland is going to allow freedom of speech, then it needs to allow even speech that some people may find offensive, especially speech on such a political issue. Further, I find it hard to believe that if a gay journalist was the target of similar harassment for aggressively speaking his point of view, anyone would be able to say he’s solely to blame without thereby losing any semblance credibility.
Peace,
Robert
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SecretCatholic
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There are certainly wrong ways to go about certain issues, and our Pope has made some important comments about this. BUT- the problem is that it is human dignity and anyone who believes in the value of the sacrament of marriage is being attacked.
One thing is sin. Always been there since the fall and always will till the end. Another thing is glorifying sin, getting others to join in your sin and passing laws “normalizing” sin and incorrectly equating it to ordered behavior. If people were celebrating drunkenness, driving drunk everywhere and passing laws to allow drunk driving- should we “not complain”? Gay Marriage DOES affect those who do not participate in it: catholic.com/blog/todd-aglialoro/four-ways-that-same-sex-marriage-will-affect-you
But allowing “gay marriage” is not enough. Now anyone not in agreement is labelled a bigot and possibly charged with a “hate crime”. Those who don’t agree with it must bake cakes for it and take photos of it and give benefits for it. And if they have their way- Employers might even be forced to make sure a percentage of their workforce is “gay”. This is not us nosy religious people getting into people’s private business. This is spiritual and political warfare- between the freedom to reject error or be forced to embrace it under penalty of law.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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Oh but we are talking about those people given those hateful comments are allegedly from people supporting gay marriage.
We’re not talking about that right now.
Why do gay rights activists and those sympathetic to gay causes ALWAYS have to have the spotlight of victimhood on gays or themselves?
And does the fact that gays on occasion get persecuted (and I do NOT mean equal “marriage” rights) make this okay? That may be justified in the minds of progressives, but it will not cut it with reality and Catholic teaching.
This isn’t okay, but it isn’t so easy to feel sorry for someone getting their comeuppance.
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