Christian Paradoxes

[Roman_Catholic_1]

On the other hand, the way I understand faith alone, once you are saved you are saved period. I was told that Martin Luther taught once you are saved you can rape and pillage all you want because you can’t lose your salvation. If this is true why do our separated brothers keep bringing up Catholics being free to sin and just go to Confession to get right with God.

“Be a sinner and sin bravely, but have stronger faith and rejoice in Christ, who is the victor of sin, death and the world. Do not for a moment imagine that this life is abiding place of justice: sin must be committed. To you it ought to be sufficient to awknowledge the lamb that takes away the sins of the world, the sin cannot tear you away from him, even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders” - Martin Luther

One of the greater ironies of history was Martin Luther’s attack on the sale of indulgences. Lets remember it wasnt the Catholic Church that freely forgave things such as adultry and murder simply because someone said they were Chrisitian.

Who is softer on sin the Church that requires you to confess and repent or the church that says, “oh well, once saved always saved”?

 

[Ezequel]

BlestOne:

Here is my Christian paradox…Ezequel smites JSmitty and JSmitty turns the other cheek…Good work Jsmitty, you have shown wonderful Christian Charity and Ezequel is misinterpreting it for weakness.

Un momento. Allow my to clarify my view. How is a charitable action a sign of weakness and how am i showing it?

 

[Ghosty]

Not strictly Catholic, but one of my favorites from the OT Proverbs 26:

4: Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
5: Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

and just a couple verses later:

7: Like a lame man’s legs, which hang useless, is a proverb in the mouth of fools.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Ezequel:

Getting back to JSmitty, i had a comment. Isn’t that a prayer of Saint Francis And if you like reading, Read Holy Blood Holy Grail It is a great book about the origins of Christianity. That’s in the second half of the book though, the first is about the Knights Templar.

You may want to check the uh, “scholarship” on that there book. Try these links:

crisismagazine.com/september2003/feature1.htm

catholic.com/library/cracking_da_vinci_code.asp

And please, after you’ve read those, if you have more questions, start another thread on that topic. Thanks.

 

[BlestOne]

Ezequel:

Un momento. Allow my to clarify my view. How is a charitable action a sign of weakness and how am i showing it?

Ezequel…JSmitty was showing extreme Christian solicitude to you as you were trying to sow discord and hijack his thread…you took it and challenged him to debunk your source. That is Jsmitty being charitable and you taking his being nice to you as a sign of weakness that you felt you could challenge. This is not what this thread is about…it is about paradoxes that we see in Christianity. Please stay on topic. Sorry, I am not as charitable as JSmitty, maybe God will grace me with this in the future if I keep praying.

 

[Ezequel]

For JSmitty,

Apart from the whole blood line thing in the bood, which may or may not be true-there are too many conicedences for it to be brushed aside, if you read the critical analysis of the bible, and even about the Catholic Church’s attempts to analyze to bible it’s something that has a lot of arguments and evidence for it.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

Mat 5:38* "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ *

Mat 5:39 But now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too.

Mat 5:40 And if someone takes you to court to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well.

Mat 5:41 And if one of the occupation troops forces you to carry his pack one mile, carry it two miles.

Mat 5:42 When someone asks you for something, give it to him; when someone wants to borrow something, lend it to him.

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your friends, hate your enemies.’

Mat 5:44* But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, *

Dump human justice in favor of Divine Mercy.

 

[Liberian]

Harland:

On the other hand, the way I understand faith alone, once you are saved you are saved period. I was told that Martin Luther taught once you are saved you can rape and pillage all you want because you can’t lose your salvation. If this is true why do our separated brothers keep bringing up Catholics being free to sin and just go to Confession to get right with God.

Harland,

Not to put too fine a point on it, “salvation by faith alone” is a different doctrine from “once saved always saved.” Evangelicals believe both, though, and so they are frequently confused by outsiders.

The Evangelicals to whom I speak (and I used to be one as well) tell me that they do not believe that you can “get saved” and then proceed to “live like the devil.” Their explanation is that they would say that your original act of “getting saved” was not sincere, that you didn’t really accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. So the statement that “once you are saved you can rape and pillage all you want because you can’t lose your salvation” is not an accurate reflection of their practices. It is a logical conclusion of their teachings, but they do not preach what they practice. (In fact, Evangelical practices regarding salvation by faith versus works or merit tends to follow Catholic teaching very closely.)

• Liberian

 

[JSmitty2005]

Ezequel:

For JSmitty,

Apart from the whole blood line thing in the bood, which may or may not be true-there are too many conicedences for it to be brushed aside, if you read the critical analysis of the bible, and even about the Catholic Church’s attempts to analyze to bible it’s something that has a lot of arguments and evidence for it.

I’m REALLY tempted to respond to this, but I ask you once again: Please take this somewhere else. I see that you’re new. Do you know how to start a new thread? If not, I’d be glad to teach you. Entitled it “On the scholarship of ‘Holy Blood, Holy Grail’” and see how many responses you get.

 

[Spyder1jcd]

Jeanette L:

We are promised if we have to give up mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, for His sake, we will be given many mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers.

Just don’t go throwing that quote around anywhere besides a Christian message board. With all the misunderstandings people have about religions such as Islam today, someone could misinterpret that phrase to mean that we are asked to kill our family members in the name of Christ.

Just something to think about.