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TradCatholic12
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Is it wrong for a Traditional Catholic to use the post-Vatican II Christian Prayer Book?
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James0235
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No, not at all. Use whatever helps you in your spiritual life.
While I really love the Pre-VII Roman Breviary I will say that I think the modern Liturgy of the Hours (including Christian Prayer) works much better for individual recitation.
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TradCatholic12
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I do intend to buy the Pre-Vatican II breviary when it becomes available, as I find it far superior. But Christian Prayer is all I have at this time.
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TradCatholic12
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Does anyone one this forum use Christian Prayer and attend the TLM?
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latinmasslover
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I’ve been wondering this myself as I’m studying to become a Third Order Discalced Carmelite. Right now I think I’ll stick with the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Where does your opinion lean?
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James0235
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I have attended the TLM fairly regularly for the past few years. And I have begun to use Christian Prayer again recently - the 1st Sunday of Lent.
I have used it before. And at various times in the past I have also used the Monastic Diurnal and the Anglican Breviary (essentially the pre-VII Roman Breviary in English).
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TradCatholic12
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Which Little Office do you use? The Pre-Vatican II or Post Vatican II? I want the Baronius Press edition. To answer your question. I feel that the Liturgy of the Hours departs from any previous edition tremediously. The translation is poor, but it still is valid and, sadly, the Ordinary Form of the Divine Office. But, if it is all I have, what am I to do, because I find the Divine Office to be so spiritually enriching. But, I would choose the pre-vatican II one in a heart beat. I follow the 1962 calendar though, so that is an issue. I have contemplated to just stop praying it until the pre-vatican II edition comes out. I wish they came in a one volume edition though.
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markadm
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Is there even such a thing as a post-Vatican II Little Office? Materials I have read before seemed to indicate that there wasn’t one…!
I understand what you mean, though wouldn’t you say there is some value in the Office of Readings in its current form?
I too would love to pray the pre-Vatican II Breviarum Romanum – and I have a copy – but my Latin is poor, and the length and number of Offices is demandingly prohibitive.
I do wish the two Calendars were harmonised, preferrably by ditching the new positions for all the old Saint’s days.
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Of course there is value in the Office of Readings. I consider myself a traditionalist and I would say that the FSSP priest at the parish I attend for the Latin Mass would say the same thing about the office of readings. But, I think that the Liturgy of the Hours could be greatly improved. I also prefer the 1962 greatly over the new one. I wish they got rid of the new one. I would venture to guess that eventually they will get rid of the LOTH and the Novus Ordo for the traditional rites.
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Where and from whom . .? are we actively anticipating this event? or are we just hoping.
Any link woudl be appreciated too
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James0235
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Hopefully Baronius Press will release the Roman Breviary soon.Where and from whom . .? are we actively anticipating this event? or are we just hoping.
Any link woudl be appreciated too
Thank you
baroniuspress.com/forthcoming_books.htm
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Please don’t take offense, as none is intended, but aren’t we all Catholic first, whether we label ourselves “Traditional” or not? Is the Body of Christ divided? So why would it be wrong to use any Catholic prayer book, either pre or post Vatican II? I understand what you are saying, but I think your question implies a division in your mind about the Church, which should not exist. I attend the OF of the Mass, but I cannot see myself saying “Is it wrong to use any Prayer Book from before Vatican II?” I am not trying to be argumentive, but I think it is very important to remind ourselves that we believers belong to One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Vatican II did not seperate us as a Church, so any prayers that we offer are offered in union with the whole Church. Prayer is a unifying force, not a dividing one.
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It’s not enough for “Traditional Catholics” to beat up on Mass language, Communion reception, and what our priests and nuns wear out in publc.
Now, we even have to make an issue out of what “version” of the LOTH to pray?
Have we forgotten that our ultimate goal is Salvation through Jesus the Christ?
Are we going to be seperated at Judgement, Pre-Vatican II people to the right and Post-Vatican II to the left?
What next?
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Walking_Home
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drafdog
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“I’m for Paul.” “I’m for Apollos.” “I’m for Cephas.”
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latinmasslover
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Modernism is NOT for Jesus Christ.
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Brother_John
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Who told you this? Jesus the Christ himself?
Perhaps you might take a stroll through the Gospels. Jesus on numerous occasions “modified” or “altered” his style of preaching toward the particular crowd or individual he was addressing.
Furthermore, when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles on Pentecost, they all went out and preached in “tongues”.
Biblical precedent for “varying” forms of spreading the word is clear. If Christ can change his style, and the Apostles can preach in tongues, then the Church passed down from them may certainly adopt different “styles” of doing things as well.
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Many refer to themselves as “Traditional Catholics” so they’re not confused with the modern “Catholic” who can’t separate Christ from World. Excuse us for wanting reverence in the presence of God Almighty.
Let’s just all stay in Lala Land where there is no division and everything is perfect.
Watered down invocations are Protestant, not Catholic. That’s why he’s asking about post V-II prayers being moral. There is also the issue of the calendar. FYI: Pope Benedict does not oppose using the Older one.
“What’s next?” Probably Catholic parishes going Wiccan; we’ll all go up to receive Holy Communion in the buff because, after all, “that’s what it was like in the beginning.”
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TradCatholic12
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You are very right that we are all Catholics. There are many prayers written after Vatican II that are useful. However, the LOTH is nothing compared to the breviary. But, unfortunatly, it is an approved text of the Church. But for now, it is all I have. When I get the preconciliar breviary, I will only pray the LOTH if I really have to. I have the TLM, I only go to the Novus ORdo when I have to. But you make good points. I didn’t mean to sound divisive. We are all part of the one Roman Rite as it says in Summorum Pontificum.
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