Christian Prayer

[Brother_John]

Unfortunately many Catholics think that reciting from prayerbooks does it all. It doesn’t. If we look to the examples of the Saints (referring to the Religious) they were very faithful to the formal prayers of the Church (not just reciting the prayers but *praying *the prayers) and they spoke to Him one on one. Nothing wrong with the “Bless us O Lord…” and others as long as it’s not just a recitation. I’ll pray for your sister’s conversion.

Agreed.

Praying the prayers doesn’t guarantee anything, any more than the act of “being saved” does for our seperated bretheren. It is a big picture. My ND Bible study partner has even come to agree that salvation can be “lost”, if you don’t “walk the walk”

I will be curious as to what you find in the Christian Prayer book. I am new at it, so right now trying to do all the daily reading and absorbing it is a challenge. I catch myself going thru the motions (or getting distracted) and going back over a section. It is a lot to cover in one or two sittings per day.

 

[latinmasslover]

Agreed.

Praying the prayers doesn’t guarantee anything, any more than the act of “being saved” does for our seperated bretheren. It is a big picture. My ND Bible study partner has even come to agree that salvation can be “lost”, if you don’t “walk the walk”

I will be curious as to what you find in the Christian Prayer book. I am new at it, so right now trying to do all the daily reading and absorbing it is a challenge. I catch myself going thru the motions (or getting distracted) and going back over a section. It is a lot to cover in one or two sittings per day.

YES IT IS! It’s so frustrating sometimes when praying any formal prayer and the mind goes off into space. When I have those problems I just stop, offer it up to Jesus as an act of humility (not being perfect. can you imagine, me, not perfect?! ) and then pray it as best I can, which is sometimes nothing more than a recital. But it’s a recital done in obedience thanks to my priest, so I’m sure graces are won that way.

 

[Joannm]

I think you are way over-reacting here. The OP asked if it was “wrong” to use the Christian Prayer Book because he is a Traditional Catholic. The simple answer is NO. The way he worded the question implied a division in his mind about the unity of the Church. He has acknowledged that he did not mean to sound divisive and that we are all Catholic. There is absolutely nothing “immoral” about Christian Prayer (the book).

As for “watered down invocations”–let me clue you in on something–God would prefer a simple “I love you, Jesus” done with a contrite, loving, humble and submissive heart than a whole day’s worth of the Hours done without charity. It’s all in the attitude.

Hmmm…kind of reminds me of today’s gospel.

 

[bkovacs]

I wouldn’t buy the book Christian Prayer or any NO Missals now period. Mainly because their will be changes made to the NO Mass and LOTH very soon. Hence these books may become obsolete in a couple of years.

 

[bkovacs]

Here is a very nice Breviary that although traditional Anglican. Is thought of highly by some Traditional Catholic priests.
anglicanbreviary.net/

I would get this before any modern day LOTH books.

 

[markadm]

Here is a very nice Breviary that although traditional Anglican. Is thought of highly by some Traditional Catholic priests.
anglicanbreviary.net/

I would get this before any modern day LOTH books.

It is not wholly Anglican, per se. Indeed it is a translation of the 1911 Roman Catholic Breviarum Romanum into traditional Elizabethan English. The differences as far as I am aware are that the Book of Common Prayer collects have been used, and that some of the calendar has been altered ever so slightly. However, if one uses it alongside the Breviarum Romanum it is perfectly adequate.

 

[Brother_John]

I wouldn’t buy the book Christian Prayer or any NO Missals now period. Mainly because their will be changes made to the NO Mass and LOTH very soon. Hence these books may become obsolete in a couple of years.

Where does this information come from?

 

[markadm]

Where does this information come from?

ICEL. The translation is getting redone.

 

[James0235]

Where does this information come from?

The Mass is bing retranslated by ICEL. But, I believe that the USCCB has stated that there are no plans to re translate the LOTH and there will be no plans until the retranslation of the Mass is complete.

James

 

[ac_claire]

The Mass is bing retranslated by ICEL. But, I believe that the USCCB has stated that there are no plans to re translate the LOTH and there will be no plans until the retranslation of the Mass is complete.
James

and I’d think the USCCB doesn’t work in terms of “very soon,” right? Bkovacs-- If the mass translation is still a year or more away, I wouldn’t wait till then to buy an Office prayer book.

 

[Joannm]

If and when there is a translation of the LOTH it probably will not happen until 2020.

 

[Brother_John]

If and when there is a translation of the LOTH it probably will not happen until 2020.

In the meantime, there’s lots of reading to do…especially if you’re using the full 4 volume set.

 

[James0235]

and I’d think the USCCB doesn’t work in terms of “very soon,” right? Bkovacs-- If the mass translation is still a year or more away, I wouldn’t wait till then to buy an Office prayer book.

Well, they (through ICEL) took 3 years to paraphrase the Mass into English. That seems an awful long time until you consider that it will have taken them at least 38 years to actually translate the Mass into English (1970 until 2008 or ?)

James

 

[James0235]

The Mass is being retranslated by ICEL. But, I believe that the USCCB has stated that there are no plans to retranslate the LOTH and there will be no plans until the retranslation of the Mass is complete.

James

I don’t know that I have ever quoted myself before. But, I found out where I read that the LOTH would not be retranslated until the Mass translation was complete. (Plus, I can fix the typos in my earlier post when I quote it )

In a comment to a post made by Fr. Z on his blog someone named Jon wrote the following:
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For those of you who feel the need to stick to the LotH though, and are hoping for a new translation before the 22nd century, don’t hold your breath. Exactly three years ago I had the opportunity and pleasure to speak with Monsignor James Moroney, who at the time was the Secretary of the then Bishop’s Committee on Liturgy (it’ the Office of Divine Worship now). I asked him about the LotH translation. He told me ICEL wouldn’t even consider it until after the Missal was complete, and I remember him saying “for the time being, it’s all Missal, all the time.”**

James