Christian Scientist.

[spiritualman]

Porknpie, you missed the point of my post. I’m not here to debate with hubris.
In fact, Eddy does not allow her church members to publicly debate.
Better to listen to Father Whitson’s humble words.

Peace,
sm

 

[Candescent]

They believe people are created in God’s image and likeness (with a basic dignity). They are optimists and always try to see the good in everyone and everything. They try to align their thinking with the eternal and what is noble, instead of being caught up in dramas and petty grievances.

My mother became a Christian Scientist late in life, and I had an opportunity to meet many of them, as well as read the Sentinals that my Mom sent me. And I agree with your description, they constantly try to see the ‘Christlike nature’ in everyone, everyday, no matter what the person is inflicting on them.

I do think that Mary Baker Eddy had some very ‘unusual’ ideas. If you are interested, research her book Christ and Christmas. Even the Christian Scientists that I met said that some of the statements she makes in it sound as if she viewed herself as the second coming of Christ.

 

[meltzerboy]

Christian Scientists tend to be very ethical people, and give a lot to their communities though usually in a discreet way–not blowing their own trumpet.

They believe people are created in God’s image and likeness (with a basic dignity). They are optimists and always try to see the good in everyone and everything. They try to align their thinking with the eternal and what is noble, instead of being caught up in dramas and petty grievances.

If this is pagan, then so were the likes of Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and so forth. The church was founded in America. Church services are held on Thanksgiving–counted as a holiday. The church is basically a democratic institution.

Can one be both Jewish and Christian Scientist according to CS doctrine? I know, for example, that the mother of the late opera singer, Beverly Sills, considered herself a Jewish Christian Scientist, and was also an optimistic person BTW.

 

[Porknpie]

Porknpie, you missed the point of my post. I’m not here to debate with hubris.
In fact, Eddy does not allow her church members to publicly debate.
Better to listen to Father Whitson’s humble words.

Peace,
sm

SM -

Fr Whitson is engaging in ecumenical dialogue which is wonderful but that should not be seen as recognizing Christian Scientists in the same way the Church recognizes other Christian faiths. This first starts with Baptism, which Scientists view as an individual personal experience and not a sacrament. Jesus own words on baptism below as necessary for entry into heaven:

John 3:3,5 - “Truly, truly, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved…”

Do you believe the words of Jesus OR Eddy that Baptism is needed for entry into heaven?

My high school girlfriend taught me that Eddy taught her members to dismiss evidence that the world is not illusory. Is this what you mean by not debating? Contrasted to Eddy, the bible points us to following in God’s truth, to seek it and to speak the truth to one another.

Zechariah 8:16 These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

Psalm 86:11 Teach me your way, O LORD, that I may walk in your truth; unite my heart to fear your name

John 8:31-32 … So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

You have to follow the Truth that is God. What church did God establish on earth: One built on St. Peter that has become light for the world OR one built on Mary Eddy that is followed by relatively few people, mainly in the United States?

Peace2u,

Pork

 

[SteveVH]

In fact, Eddy does not allow her church members to publicly debate.

And why do you think that would be?

 

[spiritualman]

Our Church Manual, which guides and governs the actions of church members, says that we cannot debate in public probably because Eddy wanted us to focus on spiritual healing - works rather than words. There are so many temptations, especially in today’s society, that try to take us away from helping others.

I came here to share something about Christian Science because the original poster asked. I don’t mind being educated about Catholic theology too while I’m here. I try to write as if we were sitting at your kitchen table sharing ideas. Some of you have sat down to do the same and I thank you.

I’m working to Baptize my thought right now by thinking kind, gentle thoughts. Baptism is a moment by moment purification of my thinking to be more pure, more loving, more Christlike. In the same spiritual sense, we are right now experiencing God’s Church “where two or three are gathered together in my name.”

 

[Publisher]

Our Church Manual, which guides and governs the actions of church members, says that we cannot debate in public probably because Eddy wanted us to focus on spiritual healing - works rather than words. There are so many temptations, especially in today’s society, that try to take us away from helping others.

I came here to share something about Christian Science because the original poster asked. I don’t mind being educated about Catholic theology too while I’m here. I try to write as if we were sitting at your kitchen table sharing ideas. Some of you have sat down to do the same and I thank you.

I’m working to Baptize my thought right now by thinking kind, gentle thoughts. Baptism is a moment by moment purification of my thinking to be more pure, more loving, more Christlike. In the same spiritual sense, we are right now experiencing God’s Church “where two or three are gathered together in my name.”

 

[SteveVH]

Our Church Manual, which guides and governs the actions of church members, says that we cannot debate in public probably because Eddy wanted us to focus on spiritual healing - works rather than words.

Either that or she did not want her doctrines challenged. Who in history claiming to have truth has not been willing to stand up and defend that truth? Have you ever read the Acts of the Apostles? They were challenged at every turn; imprisoned, beaten, and yet the next day they were standing in the very place they were arrested defending the faith, with words.

I came here to share something about Christian Science because the original poster asked. I don’t mind being educated about Catholic theology too while I’m here. I try to write as if we were sitting at your kitchen table sharing ideas. Some of you have sat down to do the same and I thank you.

You seem like a very nice person. It should not come as a surprise that one question will lead to another. Now I suppose one could ceate a forum in the pattern of a 12 step program and not allow any “cross talk”. We could just say what we want to say and not allow a response. Then everyone could go take a nap. The purpose of this forum is for debate and when one makes a statement it is not unreasonable for another to expect them to be able to defend that statement. And should not all of us at least attempt to defend our faith?

I’m working to Baptize my thought right now by thinking kind, gentle thoughts. Baptism is a moment by moment purification of my thinking to be more pure, more loving, more Christlike.

Where in the world did you find this definition of Baptism?

 

[Porknpie]

Our Church Manual, which guides and governs the actions of church members, says that we cannot debate in public probably because Eddy wanted us to focus on spiritual healing - works rather than words. There are so many temptations, especially in today’s society, that try to take us away from helping others.

I came here to share something about Christian Science because the original poster asked. I don’t mind being educated about Catholic theology too while I’m here. I try to write as if we were sitting at your kitchen table sharing ideas. Some of you have sat down to do the same and I thank you.

I’m working to Baptize my thought right now by thinking kind, gentle thoughts. Baptism is a moment by moment purification of my thinking to be more pure, more loving, more Christlike. In the same spiritual sense, we are right now experiencing God’s Church “where two or three are gathered together in my name.”

Spiritualman - lookout for SteveVH :slapfight:

Of course I’m kidding. I have to go but will come back later tonight. Meanwhile…perhaps you can share what your belief are on baptism and “God’s church”.

 

[spiritualman]

As much as I would love to continue this conversation, I must say good-bye and thanks. Over a century ago when Mrs. Eddy wrote her *Church Manual *guiding members actions, Christian Science was very popular and folks were leaving their churches for it. You can imagine that it caused quite an uproar. It did. Because she practiced the Golden Rule faithfully, Eddy made a rule in our Church Manual not to teach Christian Science to those churches that objected unless that individual first left their church.

If you are sincerely interested in learning more about Christian Science, you can teach yourself. Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures can be read and searched on our church’s website and elsewhere. Eddy wrote it for everyone. It is more than a denominational textbook. In fact, after she first wrote it, Eddy wanted to share it with all the churches rather than start her own. But they wouldn’t have it from a woman in that era. So she reluctantly started her own church.

Science and Health explains the theology of Christian Science, yet also is a book for those that are looking for spiritual healing. It reaches out to every human thought to comfort and heal. The last chapter of about 100 pages comprises testimonies of folks that were healed of severe maladies by simply reading the book. Today it is still doing so as we have about 80,000 published testimonies from individuals who have experienced spiritual healing with many of these healings medically verified.

Here’s the church’s website for Science and Health: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/the-bible-and-science-and-health/science-and-health

Some spiritual healing examples can be read and viewed online here: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/real-life-experiences-of-healing

Many readers here may be familiar with our award winning newspaper, The Christian Science Monitor that our church publishes which is now available online: csmonitor.com/

all the best,
sm

 

[Publisher]

As much as I would love to continue this conversation, I must say good-bye and thanks. Over a century ago when Mrs. Eddy wrote her *Church Manual *guiding members actions, Christian Science was very popular and folks were leaving their churches for it. You can imagine that it caused quite an uproar. It did. Because she practiced the Golden Rule faithfully, Eddy made a rule in our Church Manual not to teach Christian Science to those churches that objected unless that individual first left their church.

If you are sincerely interested in learning more about Christian Science, you can teach yourself. Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures can be read and searched on our church’s website and elsewhere. Eddy wrote it for everyone. It is more than a denominational textbook. In fact, after she first wrote it, Eddy wanted to share it with all the churches rather than start her own. But they wouldn’t have it from a woman in that era. So she reluctantly started her own church.

Science and Health explains the theology of Christian Science, yet also is a book for those that are looking for spiritual healing. It reaches out to every human thought to comfort and heal. The last chapter of about 100 pages comprises testimonies of folks that were healed of severe maladies by simply reading the book. Today it is still doing so as we have about 80,000 published testimonies from individuals who have experienced spiritual healing with many of these healings medically verified.

Here’s the church’s website for Science and Health: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/the-bible-and-science-and-health/science-and-health

Some spiritual healing examples can be read and viewed online here: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/real-life-experiences-of-healing

Many readers here may be familiar with our award winning newspaper, The Christian Science Monitor that our church publishes which is now available online: csmonitor.com/

all the best,
sm

Friend, I hope you stick around. Your witness to gentleness and kindnes, love, joy, peach and hope are deeper more profound “proofs” of the value of Christian Science in people’s lives, than the challenges offered here.

I have a nice leather bound copy of Science and Health I found at a used book store, along with the Prose Works, that I read often. Mrs. Eddy’s section on Prayer is one I return to over and over.

 

[Porknpie]

As much as I would love to continue this conversation, I must say good-bye and thanks. Over a century ago when Mrs. Eddy wrote her *Church Manual *guiding members actions, Christian Science was very popular and folks were leaving their churches for it. You can imagine that it caused quite an uproar. It did. Because she practiced the Golden Rule faithfully, Eddy made a rule in our Church Manual not to teach Christian Science to those churches that objected unless that individual first left their church.

If you are sincerely interested in learning more about Christian Science, you can teach yourself. Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures can be read and searched on our church’s website and elsewhere. Eddy wrote it for everyone. It is more than a denominational textbook. In fact, after she first wrote it, Eddy wanted to share it with all the churches rather than start her own. But they wouldn’t have it from a woman in that era. So she reluctantly started her own church.

Science and Health explains the theology of Christian Science, yet also is a book for those that are looking for spiritual healing. It reaches out to every human thought to comfort and heal. The last chapter of about 100 pages comprises testimonies of folks that were healed of severe maladies by simply reading the book. Today it is still doing so as we have about 80,000 published testimonies from individuals who have experienced spiritual healing with many of these healings medically verified.

Here’s the church’s website for Science and Health: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/the-bible-and-science-and-health/science-and-health

Some spiritual healing examples can be read and viewed online here: christianscience.com/prayer-and-health/real-life-experiences-of-healing

Many readers here may be familiar with our award winning newspaper, The Christian Science Monitor that our church publishes which is now available online: csmonitor.com/

all the best,
sm

Spiritualman -

I too wish you would stay.

God’s love, his grace and gift of healing is not unique to Christian Scientists. There are countless healings & miracles within the church community, Catholic and non-Catholic alike where prayer has comforted and healed people. This has been true since the formation of the Church 2,000 years ago.

Jesus said that he would be with his Church until the end of time. The question remains, is the Christian Science church - how can the Christian Science church be this church when it started in 1886?

 

[Publisher]

Spiritualman -

I too wish you would stay.

God’s love, his grace and gift of healing is not unique to Christian Scientists. There are countless healings & miracles within the church community, Catholic and non-Catholic alike where prayer has comforted and healed people. This has been true since the formation of the Church 2,000 years ago.

Jesus said that he would be with his Church until the end of time. The question remains, is the Christian Science church - how can the Christian Science church be this church when it started in 1886?

Since friend spiritual man doesn’t chose to debate, but offer insight into his understanding and experience of God, and as he stated several times, questions that you are posing is one of the reasons he has chosen to withdraw…he doesn’t wish to debate whethere his understanding verses your understanding is true…more true…least true.

 

[Porknpie]

Since friend spiritual man doesn’t chose to debate, but offer insight into his understanding and experience of God, and as he stated several times, questions that you are posing is one of the reasons he has chosen to withdraw…he doesn’t wish to debate whethere his understanding verses your understanding is true…more true…least true.

Publisher -

The reason Spiritualman withdrew because he has been indoctrinated by a false gospel & doctrine by a false prophet, Mary Baker Eddy, not to debate. The conversation never really got anywhere but you seem to think it is OK for Spiritualman to share his religious views on a Catholic website without a response. I think I was fair in my question(s). This response is similar to other religions (or cults) that view outsiders as evil or trying to persecute them. An excerpt from a catholic.com article by Mark Wheeler on Christian Scientists:

She claimed that after a fall on the ice in 1866 which left her with crippling injuries (later denied by the attending doctor in a signed affidavit) she rediscovered the secrets of faith healing used by Christ which were lost when the early Christian church apostatized. She proceeded to write down these spiritual laws in a textbook, published in 1875, known as Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.

Eddy claimed the book was dictated to her directly by God. Of its authorship she said, “I should blush to write a Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures as I have, were it of human origin, and I, apart from God, its author; but as I was only a scribe echoing the harmonies of heaven in divine metaphysics, I cannot be super-modest in my estimate of the Christian Science textbook.” In actual fact this work, considered by her followers to be of equal importance to the Bible, is of human origin.** It is largely the result of plagiarism**, the remainder being the pantheistic ramblings of Eddy herself.

The plagiarized material, much verbatim, was taken from the writings of P. P. Quimby and Francis Lieber.

Quimby was a hypnotist and faith healer who had previously treated Eddy and had won from her adoration and published endorsements. He coined the terms “Science of Health” and “Christian Science” to describe his theories which he compiled in a work titled Questions and Answers. A copy of this exists with corrections in Mary Baker Eddy’s own handwriting.

Lieber had produced a manuscript on the metaphysics of the philosopher Hegel, and Eddy freely copied from it. Newspapers of the day unmasked the plagiarism, The New York Times of July 10, 1904 printing parallel columns of Eddy and Quimby for comparison.

Christian Science purports to be a Christian organization. It borrows heavily from the Christian vocab-ulary but denies all the fundamental Christian dogmas.** It rejects the belief in a personal God, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the existence of sin and the devil, the Resurrection, and heaven and hell. **Instead Christian Science substitutes a vague pantheism. Referring to its textbook, Mark Twain wrote, "Of all the strange and frantic and incomprehensible and uninterpretable books which the imagination of man has created, surely this one is the prize sample."

I wish he would stay and learn more about the Catholic Church. I’ll say a prayer for him tonight. The fruits of prayer go well beyond comfort and healing. It extends to conversion and the gift of wisdom as well.

Peace

 

[Candescent]

The plagiarized material, much verbatim, was taken from the writings of P. P. Quimby and Francis Lieber.

Quimby was a hypnotist and faith healer who had previously treated Eddy and had won from her adoration and published endorsements. He coined the terms “Science of Health” and “Christian Science” to describe his theories which he compiled in a work titled Questions and Answers. A copy of this exists with corrections in Mary Baker Eddy’s own handwriting.

Lieber had produced a manuscript on the metaphysics of the philosopher Hegel, and Eddy freely copied from it. Newspapers of the day unmasked the plagiarism, The New York Times of July 10, 1904 printing parallel columns of Eddy and Quimby for comparison.

I agree that a study of the controversy between Quimby and M.B. Eddy leaves one with grave doubts. And I would be very interested in how a modern C. Scientist addresses this issue.
It also seems to me that if one comes to a Catholic website, they should be prepared to answer questions- not attacks- but reasonable questions. If not- then why are they here other than to point you to their churches websites- as this poster has done?

 

[Publisher]

Publisher -

The reason Spiritualman withdrew because he has been indoctrinated by a false gospel & doctrine by a false prophet, Mary Baker Eddy, not to debate. The conversation never really got anywhere but you seem to think it is OK for Spiritualman to share his religious views on a Catholic website without a response. I think I was fair in my question(s). This response is similar to other religions (or cults) that view outsiders as evil or trying to persecute them. An excerpt from a catholic.com article by Mark Wheeler on Christian Scientists:

She claimed that after a fall on the ice in 1866 which left her with crippling injuries (later denied by the attending doctor in a signed affidavit) she rediscovered the secrets of faith healing used by Christ which were lost when the early Christian church apostatized. She proceeded to write down these spiritual laws in a textbook, published in 1875, known as Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.

Eddy claimed the book was dictated to her directly by God. Of its authorship she said, “I should blush to write a Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures as I have, were it of human origin, and I, apart from God, its author; but as I was only a scribe echoing the harmonies of heaven in divine metaphysics, I cannot be super-modest in my estimate of the Christian Science textbook.” In actual fact this work, considered by her followers to be of equal importance to the Bible, is of human origin.** It is largely the result of plagiarism**, the remainder being the pantheistic ramblings of Eddy herself.

The plagiarized material, much verbatim, was taken from the writings of P. P. Quimby and Francis Lieber.

Quimby was a hypnotist and faith healer who had previously treated Eddy and had won from her adoration and published endorsements. He coined the terms “Science of Health” and “Christian Science” to describe his theories which he compiled in a work titled Questions and Answers. A copy of this exists with corrections in Mary Baker Eddy’s own handwriting.

Lieber had produced a manuscript on the metaphysics of the philosopher Hegel, and Eddy freely copied from it. Newspapers of the day unmasked the plagiarism, The New York Times of July 10, 1904 printing parallel columns of Eddy and Quimby for comparison.

Christian Science purports to be a Christian organization. It borrows heavily from the Christian vocab-ulary but denies all the fundamental Christian dogmas.** It rejects the belief in a personal God, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the existence of sin and the devil, the Resurrection, and heaven and hell. **Instead Christian Science substitutes a vague pantheism. Referring to its textbook, Mark Twain wrote, "Of all the strange and frantic and incomprehensible and uninterpretable books which the imagination of man has created, surely this one is the prize sample."

I wish he would stay and learn more about the Catholic Church. I’ll say a prayer for him tonight. The fruits of prayer go well beyond comfort and healing. It extends to conversion and the gift of wisdom as well.

Peace

I’m sure he learned more than he was bargaining for. We are the poorer for his departure.

 

[Porknpie]

We are the poorer for his departure.

I agree in once sense (he is a brother in Christ) but don’t fully agree. I do wish he would have stayed. Perhaps he’s lurking and a seed has been planted.

 

[spiritualman]

I’ll accept the invitation to come back again briefly. I couldn’t find the Mark Wheeler piece on Catholic.com, so I presume it has been taken down and I thank you for this.

The claim that Science and Health is the result of plagiarism has been studied by independent scholarship. Radcliffe Biography Series author Dr. Gillian Gill, who is not a Christian Scientist, has extensively researched this for her 1998 book,* Mary Baker Eddy.* Dr. Gill writes, “I am now firmly convinced, having weighed all the evidence I could find in published and archival sources, that Mrs. Eddy’s most famous biographer-critics – Peabody, Milmine, Dakin, Bates and Dittemore and Gardner – have flouted the evidence and shown willful bias in accusing Mrs. Eddy of owing her theory of healing to Quimby and of plagiarizing his unpublished work. . . As I shall show in the course of this book, the evidence that Mary Baker Eddy’s healing theology was based to any large extent on the Quimby manuscripts is not only weak but largely rigged.” (p. 129, 146) See amazon.com/Mary-Baker-Edd…/dp/0738202274
Another source is Wikepedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Baker_Eddy

Regarding the divinity of Christ, in Science and Health, Eddy writes, “The divinity of the Christ is made manifest in the humanity of Jesus.”

Regarding our view of overcoming sin, the third tenet of six found in our *Church Manual *states,“We acknowledge God’s forgiveness of sin in the destruction of sin and the spiritual understanding that casts out evil as unreal. But the belief in sin is punished so long as the belief lasts.”

Regarding Jesus’ resurrection, the fifth tenet states, “We acknowledge that the crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection served to uplift faith to understand eternal Life, even the allness of Soul, Spirit, and the nothingness of matter.”

All six church tenets can be read here: christianscience.com/read-online/manual-of-the-mother-church/tenets

Regarding pantheism, in Science and Health Eddy writes, “Atheism, pantheism, theosophy, and agnosticism are opposed to Christian Science, as they are to ordinary religion; but it does not follow that the profane or atheistic invalid cannot be healed by Christian Science. The moral conditions of such a man demands the remedy of Truth more than it is needed in most cases; and Science is more than usually effectual in the treatment of moral ailments.” (p. 139) Eddy also wrote a book titled, Christian Science versus Pantheism.

Regarding Mark Twain and Mary Baker Eddy, you can read the following at the above Wikepedia link:

"Paradoxically, Twain later gave a rather different appraisal of Eddy, reported by his biographer Albert Bigelow Paine: "I was at this period interested a good deal in mental healing, and had been treated for neurasthenia (psychosomatic fatigue) with gratifying results. Like most of the world, I had assumed, from his published articles, that he condemned Christian Science and its related practices out of hand. When I confessed, rather reluctantly, one day, the benefit I had received, he surprised me by answering:

“‘Of course you have been benefited. Christian Science is humanity’s boon. Mother Eddy deserves a place in the Trinity as much as any member of it. She has organized and made available a healing principle that for two thousand years has never been employed, except as the merest kind of guesswork. She is the benefactor of the age.’”

Here is a 10 minute YouTube video about Mark Twain and Mary Baker Eddy performed by Christian Scientist Val Kilmer where he quotes Twain as saying of Mary Baker Eddy: “In several ways she is the most interesting woman that ever lived, and the most extraordinary.” youtube.com/watch?v=8Aei4Ttb4-g

“Publisher,” thank you for your kindness. Glad you find the prayer chapter in Science and Health helpful.

 

[Porknpie]

I’ll accept the invitation to come back again briefly. I couldn’t find the Mark Wheeler piece on Catholic.com, so I presume it has been taken down and I thank you for this.

The claim that Science and Health is the result of plagiarism has been studied by independent scholarship. Radcliffe Biography Series author Dr. Gillian Gill, who is not a Christian Scientist, has extensively researched this for her 1998 book,* Mary Baker Eddy.* Dr. Gill writes, “I am now firmly convinced, having weighed all the evidence I could find in published and archival sources, that Mrs. Eddy’s most famous biographer-critics – Peabody, Milmine, Dakin, Bates and Dittemore and Gardner – have flouted the evidence and shown willful bias in accusing Mrs. Eddy of owing her theory of healing to Quimby and of plagiarizing his unpublished work. . . As I shall show in the course of this book, the evidence that Mary Baker Eddy’s healing theology was based to any large extent on the Quimby manuscripts is not only weak but largely rigged.” (p. 129, 146) See amazon.com/Mary-Baker-Edd…/dp/0738202274
Another source is Wikepedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Baker_Eddy

Regarding the divinity of Christ, in Science and Health, Eddy writes, “The divinity of the Christ is made manifest in the humanity of Jesus.”

Regarding our view of overcoming sin, the third tenet of six found in our *Church Manual *states,“We acknowledge God’s forgiveness of sin in the destruction of sin and the spiritual understanding that casts out evil as unreal. But the belief in sin is punished so long as the belief lasts.”

Regarding Jesus’ resurrection, the fifth tenet states, “We acknowledge that the crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection served to uplift faith to understand eternal Life, even the allness of Soul, Spirit, and the nothingness of matter.”

All six church tenets can be read here: christianscience.com/read-online/manual-of-the-mother-church/tenets

Regarding pantheism, in Science and Health Eddy writes, “Atheism, pantheism, theosophy, and agnosticism are opposed to Christian Science, as they are to ordinary religion; but it does not follow that the profane or atheistic invalid cannot be healed by Christian Science. The moral conditions of such a man demands the remedy of Truth more than it is needed in most cases; and Science is more than usually effectual in the treatment of moral ailments.” (p. 139) Eddy also wrote a book titled, Christian Science versus Pantheism.

Regarding Mark Twain and Mary Baker Eddy, you can read the following at the above Wikepedia link:

"Paradoxically, Twain later gave a rather different appraisal of Eddy, reported by his biographer Albert Bigelow Paine: "I was at this period interested a good deal in mental healing, and had been treated for neurasthenia (psychosomatic fatigue) with gratifying results. Like most of the world, I had assumed, from his published articles, that he condemned Christian Science and its related practices out of hand. When I confessed, rather reluctantly, one day, the benefit I had received, he surprised me by answering:

“‘Of course you have been benefited. Christian Science is humanity’s boon. Mother Eddy deserves a place in the Trinity as much as any member of it. She has organized and made available a healing principle that for two thousand years has never been employed, except as the merest kind of guesswork. She is the benefactor of the age.’”

Here is a 10 minute YouTube video about Mark Twain and Mary Baker Eddy performed by Christian Scientist Val Kilmer where he quotes Twain as saying of Mary Baker Eddy: “In several ways she is the most interesting woman that ever lived, and the most extraordinary.” youtube.com/watch?v=8Aei4Ttb4-g

“Publisher,” thank you for your kindness. Glad you find the prayer chapter in Science and Health helpful.

Spiritualman -

Welcome back. Here is the link to the Mark Wheeler article. It is archived and not easy to find.

archive.catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9202prof.asp

 

[Porknpie]

Spiritualman -

Welcome back. Here is the link to the Mark Wheeler article. It is archived and not easy to find.

archive.catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9202prof.asp

Spiritualman -

Take a look at scripturecatholic.com links below. Reflect on the evidence of Jesus being Divine, one with the Father. The bible is clear…and read the early church fathers in what they say as well.

scripturecatholic.com/jesus_christ_divinity.html

Christ established a Church, one that he said would be the light of the world, guided by the Holy Spirit in Truth. Mary Baker was a false prophet, one that Jesus warned against that would come and strike his flock.

The 19th century was full of rocks. Some people put them in hats and created a false gospel and others fell and hit their heads on them, leading to some strange heretical thoughts.

Would Christ establish a Church to have it disappear for 1900 years? No…