Christian Singer Walks Out on Grammys After ‘Satanic’ Performances

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Read John chapter 9 to see what Jesus says about “spiritual blindness” .
Good idea!

Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”
41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains

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Hmm. Note that while the Pharisees are mentioned, those who do not believe in Illuminati or any other Chick-ish conspiracy are not mentioned by Jesus. Yet, I appreciate the chance to actually go to the Scripture and see what is actually said and what is an interpolation or addition.
 
I read a recent interview of Katy’s, if I remember it correctly I don’t think she associates herself with any specific religion at the moment, but she does have a relationship with God. Like I said in my earlier post, there’s a song on her new album called By The Grace of God, which is about how God saved her from the lowest point in her life.
 
Good for her! We need more Christians to get a spine and do the same thing. I won’t watch that garbage and won’t allow my children to watch it, either. It’s terrible.
 
Good idea!

Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”
41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains

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Hmm. Note that while the Pharisees are mentioned, those who do not believe in Illuminati or any other Chick-ish conspiracy are not mentioned by Jesus. Yet, I appreciate the chance to actually go to the Scripture and see what is actually said and what is an interpolation or addition.
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Those enamoured of conspiracy theories might also want to read Isaiah 7-12, particularly Isaiah 8.
 
Totally unnecessary (and Katy Perry is an awful musician who uses these profane antics to prolong her 15 minutes of ill-deserved fame), but I think the word Satanic is used a little too loosely these days.

The (historical) Illuminati, however, were an offshoot of the Freemasons, so they were definitely enemies of the Church.
I agree with you. We have to be responsable and not exaggerate. But don’t you agree that this thing was really ugly and anti-Christian?

For the life of me, I can’t imagine why anyone who is a Catholic or any kind of Christian would support this junk. (I’m not saying you are personally). But I was honestly disgusted and I hope Christians wake up and boycott this kind of stuff in the future.
 
pnewton, I usually agree with you, but not this time.

The Grammys are definitely a place where Christians should be.

Christians should PERMEATE the Grammys, every aspect of the Grammys, from backstage to front and center.

Christians should be involed with every genre of music, and be the salt and light that the people in the industry desperately need.

We should have the goal of being CHRIST in the industry to everyone we come into contact with. Our goal should be that someday, everyone at the Grammys will be a faithful Christian, producing and performing music that glorifies God even if it isn’t overtly Christian.

The alternative for Christians is the Dove Awards, where we hide ourselves away from the world in our safe little Christian fortress. That’s OK for one night. It’s nice to get away and pretend that we are already in heaven.

But the rest of the year, we need to be IN the world, and not of the world. I think the singer’s action at the Grammys probably made a lot of other musicians think, and that’s good. If the singer is a good musician, other musicians will respect her action, and think about their own relationship to God.

IF Christians were more involved with the Grammys, especially in the production aspect of the show, it’s possible that the Christian would have had a “tempering influence” and been able to convince the producers to tone down or even totally change Ms. Perry’s number. It happens all the time in the entertainment industry. Christians are spread out all over this industry, and I firmly believe, based on the experiences that our daughter has had (she’s a stage manager), that they “hold back” a lot of evil by their quiet and loving influence in the planning meetings. Without Christians, entertainment would be utterly and completely despicable with no redeeming value.
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Pretty misleading headline.
The blogger/reporter implies that the singer is quoted as calling a performance “satanic”…when that word was actually used by a Christian website, not singer Grant.
And saying she “walked out” is misleading, too.

Here are excerpts from Natalie Grant’s response on her website to these misleading reports:
I NEVER said I left during any particular performance. I only said I left early.

I never pointed out any one particular performance, I only said I had many thoughts about the entire show, which were best left inside my head and that is where they will stay. So those who say I condemned one performance but then condoned others clearly did not read the post.

What I DID say is this: I am honored to be a part of the Christian music community. I’ve had many people throughout my career ask why I never tried to go in to mainstream music and last night was a beautiful reminder that I love singing about Jesus and FOR Jesus.

I’ve judged no one. I hate no one. And I believe that every person has been created in the image of God. I will never stand on a street corner and wave a sign, I won’t use my platform to engage in political arguments that will only divide and not unite. I will continue to pray that my life will be my message. I do have my own personal convictions that I live by, and I will continue to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord. (Philippians 2:12)

I was honored to be nominated for 2 Grammy awards last night. I’m so grateful that NARAS and The Grammys continue to recognize the contribution that gospel and Christian music make to the world. And I’m so thrilled for those who won in my categories. And I can say that with all sincerity.

~ Natalie
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Thanks for posting this as I rolled my eyes over people freaking out of a so called “Satanic” or “Witchcraft” performance.
 
Pretty misleading headline.
The blogger/reporter implies that the singer is quoted as calling a performance “satanic”…when that word was actually used by a Christian website, not singer Grant.
And saying she “walked out” is misleading, too.

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I agree, and has anyone fact-checked the material in this article? (The “story” is from the same web site that pushes conspiracy theories about 9/11 and Obama’s birthplace.)
 
Kind of sickening; I always thought Katy Perry was a Christian. Surely not something you’d have seen on TV 50 years ago; why is it acceptable now? I’m only in my 20s but I’d watch old episodes of What’s My Line over most any of the unintelligent and uncultivated garbage on TV now.
In the 1950s and 1960s, TV programming was carefully watched by a Standards and Practices Department. Starting in the 1970s, TV gradually added a little bad, and then a little more and then, even more. It was a slow process to slowly get people used to a little poison and then more. This was a purposeful process that started in the late 1960s with the “sexual (without love) revolution” and the demand by creative people that they needed the “freedom” to produce almost porn for movies and TV today. Movies are generally immoral today. Avoid most of them. The same with TV shows. Not much is left. Television was called a welcomed guest in our home but now it deserves to be tossed in the trash.

I loved watching What’s My Line when it first aired. Those 1950s and 1960s TV shows were fun and made you feel good after watching them. Back then, I couldn’t wait for the next season of my favorite TV shows. Now - forget it. I strongly recommend people watch some of the 1950s and 1960s TV shows that clearly show you can tell good stories without sexual situations, partial nudity and profanity.

Peace,
Ed
 
I agree, and has anyone fact-checked the material in this article? (The “story” is from the same web site that pushes conspiracy theories about 9/11 and Obama’s birthplace.)
Unfortunately I fact checked it with my own eyes in my own living room.:rolleyes:
 
pnewton, I usually agree with you, but not this time.

The Grammys are definitely a place where Christians should be.

Christians should PERMEATE the Grammys, every aspect of the Grammys, from backstage to front and center.

Christians should be involed with every genre of music, and be the salt and light that the people in the industry desperately need.

We should have the goal of being CHRIST in the industry to everyone we come into contact with. Our goal should be that someday, everyone at the Grammys will be a faithful Christian, producing and performing music that glorifies God even if it isn’t overtly Christian.

The alternative for Christians is the Dove Awards, where we hide ourselves away from the world in our safe little Christian fortress. That’s OK for one night. It’s nice to get away and pretend that we are already in heaven.

But the rest of the year, we need to be IN the world, and not of the world. I think the singer’s action at the Grammys probably made a lot of other musicians think, and that’s good. If the singer is a good musician, other musicians will respect her action, and think about their own relationship to God.

IF Christians were more involved with the Grammys, especially in the production aspect of the show, it’s possible that the Christian would have had a “tempering influence” and been able to convince the producers to tone down or even totally change Ms. Perry’s number. It happens all the time in the entertainment industry. Christians are spread out all over this industry, and I firmly believe, based on the experiences that our daughter has had (she’s a stage manager), that they “hold back” a lot of evil by their quiet and loving influence in the planning meetings. Without Christians, entertainment would be utterly and completely despicable with no redeeming value.
Yes, yes, yes!..says the wife of a television line producer.
 
I watched some of the grammy’s.

It was awsome to see Chicago but the insertion of Robin Thicke at the end singing about “just wanna get nasty” and jumping all over the stage ruined it. I would have liked to seen awards and performances from classical musicians.

It was pretty much a waste of time.
 
Bash me all you want, but sometimes I can’t stand these people who believe in a “higher power”. I’m not saying you have to join an organized religion or else, but this really is just hiding behind a watery excuse rather than saying that you don’t care or just don’t believe.

People like her on the other hand, I feel are heading down a certain dark path…
 
Bash me all you want, but sometimes I can’t stand these people who believe in a “higher power”. I’m not saying you have to join an organized religion or else, but this really is just hiding behind a watery excuse rather than saying that you don’t care or just don’t believe.

People like her on the other hand, I feel are heading down a certain dark path…
“I like baseball/public transportation/government/traffic laws/the provision of goods and services, I just don’t like it when it’s organized.” - said no one ever.

Never understood why being organized would eo ipso be a bad thing. I think it’s more of a ‘have one’s cake and eat it too’ kind of position. One wants to avoid the morals and way of life of what is conventionally called religion, while also avoiding the depressing nihilism of irreligion. This is just the attempted middle ground.
 
Pretty misleading headline.
The blogger/reporter implies that the singer is quoted as calling a performance “satanic”…when that word was actually used by a Christian website, not singer Grant.
And saying she “walked out” is misleading, too.

Here are excerpts from Natalie Grant’s response on her website to these misleading reports:
I NEVER said I left during any particular performance. I only said I left early.

I never pointed out any one particular performance, I only said I had many thoughts about the entire show, which were best left inside my head and that is where they will stay. So those who say I condemned one performance but then condoned others clearly did not read the post.*

What I DID say is this: I am honored to be a part of the Christian music community. I’ve had many people throughout my career ask why I never tried to go in to mainstream music and last night was a beautiful reminder that I love singing about Jesus and FOR Jesus.

I’ve judged no one. I hate no one. And I believe that every person has been created in the image of God. I will never stand on a street corner and wave a sign, I won’t use my platform to engage in political arguments that will only divide and not unite. I will continue to pray that my life will be my message. I do have my own personal convictions that I live by, and I will continue to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord. (Philippians 2:12)

I was honored to be nominated for 2 Grammy awards last night. I’m so grateful that NARAS and The Grammys continue to recognize the contribution that gospel and Christian music make to the world. And I’m so thrilled for those who won in my categories. And I can say that with all sincerity.

~ Natalie

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From this it seems the whole program was disturbing to her and I would agree when it starts out with the act it did. I can understand she doesn’t want to start a war with the other performers and that is her prerogative. Christians can stand up for their values without being obnoxious doing it, especially when it won’t be taken the right way.
 
Bash me all you want, but sometimes I can’t stand these people who believe in a “higher power”. I’m not saying you have to join an organized religion or else, but this really is just hiding behind a watery excuse rather than saying that you don’t care or just don’t believe.

People like her on the other hand, I feel are heading down a certain dark path…
Here’s what needs to happen for Ms. Perry and for many many other “stars”:

First, their fans need to pray for them seriously.

Second, each “star” needs to meet and work with a real Christian who shows them, by actions more than words, Jesus Christ.

As I said earlier, there are Christians working in the entertainment industry, or on the fringes of the industry. The seemingly small influence that these Christians wield has amazing effects.

A few decades ago, my favorite actor professed “atheism” in an interview. I have followed him for almost two decades. He started attending a Bible study led by the manager of a Harley Davidson shop. I remember when he first started attending–he was amazed that they allowed into the group because of his attitude and his swearing.

Then he got a role in a movie that had a decided Catholic worldview, and the producer is known for doing films that promote family values. After that movie, he started talking in his interviews about converting to Catholicism.

Now in his twitter feed, after husband and father, the next descriptive word is “Episcopalian.” He didn’t make it to Catholicism yet, but he is very involved with his church and mentions “going to Mass” or some other religious event or experience in many of his tweets and interviews. He is very comfortable talking about his religion and his beliefs.

This summer, his wife (of almost 25 years) tweeted that their son was serving as a church camp counselor. I nearly fell over–movie stars don’t have kids who work in church camps!! So cool.

A few weeks ago, he posted a picture of his church. Often, he will tweet inspirational sayings that are decidedly Christian.

This is all so awesome! And it all got started (at least, as far as I know) because the owner of a Harley Davidson shop in L.A. was faithful in living out his faith, started a Bible study, and wasn’t afraid to invite the big famous movie star who shops in his store.

If I started telling some of the stories that my daughter has experienced as a stage manager, it would take up pages of CAF!

The problem is, we need more Christians in the entertainment industry, but so many parents discourage their children from entering these careers. This needs to change.
 
I agree, and has anyone fact-checked the material in this article? (The “story” is from the same web site that pushes conspiracy theories about 9/11 and Obama’s birthplace.)
Infowars is one of the websites run by Alex Jones. I didn’t even bother clicking on the link.
 
“I like baseball/public transportation/government/traffic laws/the provision of goods and services, I just don’t like it when it’s organized.” - said no one ever.
Nice food for thought. What can be a little vexing at times is what the interviewers ask these persons, or should I say “not” ask. For instance, if I was interviewing someone who said “I believe in a ‘higher power,’” I might follow up with, “Tell me about this. What led you to believe there is a higher power? What other characteristics do you believe this power to have? You said you were not Christian. What position do you hold on the man Jesus Christ? What evidence led you to believe that about him? Etc…”

But no, they just seem to take an attitude of, “That’s wonderful. Tell me about where you bought those shoes.”
 
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