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Yes. This is the problem with unity that people have been talking about.
Nine_Two, you are my sibling in Christ, I share the posters denomination, but not his/her opinions. I assure you that we must unite whether that poster likes it or not! I also know that your faith is equal to mine and that of other Catholics. Personally, I love the Orthodox Church, the services, the icons, and everything else that makes that denomination holy. Peace be with you!
 
Christians are facing multiple enemies, on multiple fronts. Islam is certainly one of those enemies. Our brothers and sisters in Egypt and elsewhere around the world see it all the time.
I disagree, I know Islam very, very well and if anything they would be better as our allies than our enemies. They share the same values and adhere to a similar worldview, yes there are some nutcases among them, but condemning them all is NOT the answer!
 
Who would you rather unite with, fellow Christians, brothers and sisters in Christ, or perverts teaching your children how to put a condom on a cucumber?

The way I see it we have to make a choice, united we stand, divided we fall!
This is a false (and weird) dichotomy.
 
Nine_Two, you are my sibling in Christ, I share the posters denomination, but not his/her opinions. I assure you that we must unite whether that poster likes it or not! I also know that your faith is equal to mine and that of other Catholics. Personally, I love the Orthodox Church, the services, the icons, and everything else that makes that denomination holy. Peace be with you!
I understand that. 🙂

I have to agree with Dzeremi completely on this issue though. Yes, I want unity, but the only acceptable unity is the type advocated by the Orthodox Communion (that is, a unity that resembles what the Orthodox Church already has).
 
That is not unity, that is condescension, didn’t Jesus say in the Gospel of John that He had sheep that we didn’t even know about and that he must call them also?
Yes He did say this. But im just being a jester right now. Having fun because I knew someone wouldnt agree with what I said (I dont agree with it either)
 
Yes He did say this. But im just being a jester right now. Having fun because I knew someone wouldnt agree with what I said (I dont agree with it either)
Those from the East are unfamiliar with Jesters… It’s a ‘Western’ thing specific to Western culture. 😉
 
…I have to agree with Dzeremi completely on this issue though. Yes, I want unity, but the only acceptable unity is the type advocated by the Orthodox Communion (that is, a unity that resembles what the Orthodox Church already has).
Are the Orthodox united though?

What do you make of this dispute (an Egyptian dispute as well…which fits with this topic to at least some degree as it deals with Egyptian Christians)?:

indepthafrica.com/ethiopian-orthodox-tewahido-church-patriarchate-a-cause-for-disunity/#.UY_cj8u9KSM
 
Brethren,

This is the unity model that I accept… from Lumen Gentium 23 par. 4:

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By divine Providence it has come about that various churches, established in various places by the apostles and their successors, have in the course of time coalesced into several groups, organically united, which, preserving the unity of faith and the unique divine constitution of the universal Church, enjoy their own discipline, their own liturgical usage, and their own theological and spiritual heritage. Some of these churches, notably the ancient patriarchal churches, as parent-stocks of the Faith, so to speak, have begotten others as daughter churches, with which they are connected down to our own time by a close bond of charity in their sacramental life and in their mutual respect for their rights and duties.(37*) This variety of local churches with one common aspiration is splendid evidence of the catholicity of the undivided Church. In like manner the Episcopal bodies of today are in a position to render a manifold and fruitful assistance, so that this collegiate feeling may be put into practical application.​

God bless,

Rony
 
Are the Orthodox united though?

What do you make of this dispute (an Egyptian dispute as well…which fits with this topic to at least some degree as it deals with Egyptian Christians)?:

indepthafrica.com/ethiopian-orthodox-tewahido-church-patriarchate-a-cause-for-disunity/#.UY_cj8u9KSM
Given that I’m Eastern Orthodox, and that story is about Oriental Orthodox, coupled with the fact that I’m unfamiliar with that specific case, I can’t speak to that issue in that context.

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, we have unity. If anyone rebels against the legitimate authority of the church outside of Canon law, they leave it (as is the case of the Kievan Patriarchate) and no longer have unity with us, but we continue to have unity.
 
I was just going through the latest headlines and I see that Pope Francis is meeting with the Pope of the Coptic church of Egypt, his holiness said that Christians were “united” in the suffering that the Christians in Egypt are going through. I prayed in one of their churches in 2009 when I was in Cairo visiting relatives (yes they are Muslim, but that is not relevant for our purposes).

Lately I feel that Christians are becoming more and more united and I think that this is wonderful, because we all share a common enemy. No, I don’t mean Muslims, but rather those individuals who are trying to propagandize our faith as being inadequate for modern society, even going as far as sexualizing our children. You all know who I mean! Our faith is the largest in the world and if we could all unite against these dark forces we would all be better off.

What do you all think of this?
IF we are willing to leave it ALL in God’s Providence; then I agree:)
 
The Christian’s responsibility to seek unity in the Body of Christ per the holy apostle Paul: “You are God’s chosen people, dedicated and dear to Him. You must therefore clothe yourselves in compassion, in kindness, in humility, in gentleness, in patience”.

At risk for tooting a horn but it is very encouraging that Lutherans and Anglicans in Europe & north America recognize/ share resources/ validate Apostolic Succession. Additionally the ELCA has reached out to those who profess the Apostles/ Nicene creed [Reformed/ Presbyterian/ Methodist/ Moravian].
 
The Christian’s responsibility to seek unity in the Body of Christ per the holy apostle Paul: “You are God’s chosen people, dedicated and dear to Him. You must therefore clothe yourselves in compassion, in kindness, in humility, in gentleness, in patience”.

At risk for tooting a horn but it is very encouraging that Lutherans and Anglicans in Europe & north America recognize/ share resources/ validate Apostolic Succession. Additionally the ELCA has reached out to those who profess the Apostles/ Nicene creed [Reformed/ Presbyterian/ Methodist/ Moravian].
Didn’t I read here the other day that the ELCA has Churches which worship the Holy Mother Goddess?
 
Given that I’m Eastern Orthodox, and that story is about Oriental Orthodox, coupled with the fact that I’m unfamiliar with that specific case, I can’t speak to that issue in that context.

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, we have unity. If anyone rebels against the legitimate authority of the church outside of Canon law, they leave it (as is the case of the Kievan Patriarchate) and no longer have unity with us, but we continue to have unity.
Thank you for clarifying. The Catholic Church has unity too.

My prayer is that we can bring both the Eastern Orthodox unity and the Catholic unity together so we can become moreso unified.

Hopefully, one day we can all be undivided (with Oriental Orthodox, Protestants, etc.). That would help to stem any anti-Christian ride that we may face in the future.
 
Are the Orthodox united though?
Yes, of course we are.
What do you make of this dispute (an Egyptian dispute as well…which fits with this topic to at least some degree as it deals with Egyptian Christians)?:
For our Eastern Orthodox friends, the EOTC situation can be somewhat basically/imperfectly compared to the situation with ROCOR vis-a-vis the Russian Orthodox Church (though the EOTC one has not lasted nearly as long as the ROCOR situation, so we still have hope it could be solved, just as ROCOR is now in full union with the EO), in so far as the synod in exile was formed in opposition to the Church at home, which is perceived (rightly or wrongly; obviously the article you’ve linked has its own bias, as well) as being politically influenced in its decisions. This does not, however, impede our unity with the EOTC. It is rather an internal EOTC matter. We still commemorate the recently-enthroned Abune Matteous. An even worse situation exists in Eritrea, where the sitting “Patriarch” of the Church there, one Abune Dioskoros, was installed by what can only be called a puppet synod. The Coptic Church, for its part, refuses to recognize Abune Diskoros, and instead commemorates the proper Patriarch, Abune Antonios, who has been detained by the government for years now. Does this likewise mean that we are in schism from the Eritreans? Of course not. We are not obliged to recognize anyone who happens to call himself a patriarch.

We are still just as united as we ever were, though of course there are many people who do not like the current situation. I agree with them (schism is never a good thing), but we still know who the actual patriarch is (when HH Abune Paulos was alive, we commemorated him and not Abune Merkorios of the North American synod). There are always people who are unhappy with whatever choices is made. That doesn’t mean the Church is not united any more than various sedecavantists somehow “proving” that the Roman Church is not united.

What Egyptian dispute are you referring to? Deir el-Sultan in Jerusalem? That is essentially a land/property dispute involving the EOTC monks and Coptic monks and the Israeli state. The nature of the dispute is that some say that the monastery in question belongs to the Copts, and was essentially given illegally to the Ethipians by the Israeli authorities. Not being Coptic, Ethiopian, or Israeli myself, I just shake my head at the whole thing. We’re one church, after all…let’s stop this stupidity. This is the view of pretty much every Copt I’ve ever personally talked to about it. Some have even noted that this has hardened the Patriarchal line against Coptic visits to Jerusalem, which does indeed hurt us all, so it should be solved. It’s stupid that this kind of stuff continues, but realistically all kinds of stupid things happen among the churches in the Holy Land, such as the annual fights between the Armenians and the Greeks at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre).

Again, none of this rises to the level of disunity in the communion. The Copts and the Ethiopians are very much still in communion despite these essentially political squabbles, as sad and reproachable as they are.
 
This is a false (and weird) dichotomy.
Think it is weird all you want, but it is totally true. Where do you live? Do you know anything about the assault on decency and our common values that is taking place?

By the way, there are “educators” who are teaching CHILDREN (7-10 YEARS OLD) to put condoms on cucumbers, WAKE UP!!!

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL, GO AHEAD KEEP THINKING OF FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST AS “OUTSIDERS” AND LIVE IN THE SIXTEENTH CENTURY, I PREFER THE 21ST. :banghead:
 
I understand that. 🙂

I have to agree with Dzeremi completely on this issue though. Yes, I want unity, but the only acceptable unity is the type advocated by the Orthodox Communion (that is, a unity that resembles what the Orthodox Church already has).
Ok, I suppose we could see each other as brothers and sisters in Christ at least, better than nothing.
 
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